• Re: Fake Chinese CPUs

    From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sun Nov 17 10:45:48 2024
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17/11/2024 10:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have a problem with a new build based round the Asus Z170-P
    motherboard. I am struggling to get a working used Intel i7 6700 via
    eBay but there are Chinese ones advertised as new, Amazon carries them
    as well.

    I would be extremely suspicious of chinese semiconductors. I have had
    bad experiences with them

    My suspicion is that its the old Sinclair Radionics game - Buy rejects
    and stamp them as good.

    Plenty of Intel i7 6700 on UK ebay and elsewhere.

    You can probably buy a whole used computer with one for less than the
    cost of a brand new processor


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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 17 10:29:40 2024
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    I have a problem with a new build based round the Asus Z170-P motherboard.
    I am struggling to get a working used Intel i7 6700 via eBay but there are Chinese ones advertised as new, Amazon carries them as well.

    Anybody know if these are likely to be real, one of the pictures looks
    exactly the same as an Intel one but it doesn't have "Intel" printed on it.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Indecision is the key to flexibility

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  • From Nick Odell@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 17 12:05:21 2024
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17 Nov 2024 10:29:40 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:


    I have a problem with a new build based round the Asus Z170-P motherboard.
    I am struggling to get a working used Intel i7 6700 via eBay but there are >Chinese ones advertised as new, Amazon carries them as well.

    Anybody know if these are likely to be real, one of the pictures looks >exactly the same as an Intel one but it doesn't have "Intel" printed on it.

    It wouldn't surprise me at all to discover that some of these shonky
    processors have escaped into the wild: https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/15/lenovo_china_slow_laptop/

    Nick

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sun Nov 17 11:42:08 2024
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    In uk.d-i-y Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    I have a problem with a new build based round the Asus Z170-P motherboard.
    I am struggling to get a working used Intel i7 6700 via eBay but there are Chinese ones advertised as new, Amazon carries them as well.

    I'm in the market for an i7-6700k. They crop up every day on ebay.
    (taking my time because the going rate is 50 quid and I'm not in a hurry)

    Were you buying them and finding they don't work, or something else?

    Anybody know if these are likely to be real, one of the pictures looks exactly the same as an Intel one but it doesn't have "Intel" printed on it.

    I think they're likely to be real (ie not just a lump of ceramic), but they could be re-marks of other parts or 'engineering samples' that are shipped
    to manufacturers in advance of production silicon being available. ES can
    have bugs or not be clocked as high as production silicon, and not be
    supported by Intel/etc.

    I think some cloud vendors and supercomputers tend to use parts under a
    special deal with the manufacturer and they get samples, early production silicon, special SKUs or something like that. When the supercomputer is decommissioned those parts end up on the used market. They still work, but they're a bit different from production parts.

    For current production parts I'd be worried about fakes, but for boring
    parts from 8 years ago it's likely from some kind of decommissioned system - maybe e-waste, maybe ex-cloud. Could also be a reject of some kind. But it seems if you're going to 'fake' CPUs you'd do it on recent parts, not 8 year old ones. It's quite possible they're genuine but are just recycled from scrapped corporate boxes.

    Check Youtube for 'aliexpress CPU' and see what people have got.

    Theo

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Theo on Sun Nov 17 14:07:08 2024
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17/11/2024 in message <mco*KwNZz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo wrote:

    I have a problem with a new build based round the Asus Z170-P motherboard. >>I am struggling to get a working used Intel i7 6700 via eBay but there are >>Chinese ones advertised as new, Amazon carries them as well.

    I'm in the market for an i7-6700k. They crop up every day on ebay.
    (taking my time because the going rate is 50 quid and I'm not in a hurry)

    Were you buying them and finding they don't work, or something else?

    Hi Theo.

    Yes, ended up with a duff and dithering about trying a Chinese one from
    Amazon.

    Anyway, refund agreed for duff and have today ordered another. Prices now
    just under £40 although there is one for £24.99 sold as "faulty, parts
    only"!

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    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    640k ought to be enough for anyone.
    (Bill Gates, 1981)

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Nov 18 09:54:47 2024
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17/11/2024 10:29, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have a problem with a new build based round the Asus Z170-P
    motherboard. I am struggling to get a working used Intel i7 6700 via
    eBay but there are Chinese ones advertised as new, Amazon carries them
    as well.

    Anybody know if these are likely to be real, one of the pictures looks exactly the same as an Intel one but it doesn't have "Intel" printed on it.


    Why oh why would you take a chance? You are just opening yourself up to
    a world of future worry.


    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Nov 18 15:44:37 2024
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 11/17/2024 5:29 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I have a problem with a new build based round the Asus Z170-P motherboard. I am struggling to get a working used Intel i7 6700 via eBay but there are Chinese ones advertised as new, Amazon carries them as well.

    Anybody know if these are likely to be real, one of the pictures looks exactly the same as an Intel one but it doesn't have "Intel" printed on it.


    You can find pictures of them.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Intel-i7-6700-3-4Ghz-Socket-Skylake/dp/B015FUPN8S

    "SR2L2"

    A search on SR2L2 on the ark site, takes me here.

    https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/88196/intel-core-i7-6700-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-00-ghz.html

    Paul

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