• HDD Russian Roulette?

    From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 12:23:33 2021
    Running out of RAID server disk space, I chanced upon an eBay deal for
    ten Seagate 1TB SAS 2.5" spinning hard disks for £80 all in.

    Date of manufacture 2013.

    Hmmm... They are likely gonna be shagged?

    Running in a Dell R620, Plan B if that goes Pete Tong is a couple of
    Samsung Evo 870 1TB SATA SSD consumer drives.

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    Adrian C

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Sun Oct 31 21:01:04 2021
    Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:
    Running out of RAID server disk space, I chanced upon an eBay deal for
    ten Seagate 1TB SAS 2.5" spinning hard disks for £80 all in.

    Date of manufacture 2013.

    Hmmm... They are likely gonna be shagged?

    If you're RAIDing them, surely that doesn't matter? You're protected
    against N drives failing in your array, so just select N to be sufficiently large enough. And maybe keep a good drive on standby/next day delivery to cover the time when one does go down, when you're at heightened risk?
    (ie if one fails you're now only protected from N-1 failures)

    Although I'm not sure I'd go for it over a single 10TB drive. They're gonna howl and take more power. Possibly slightly more resilient (with 1x 10TB if that one drive goes down you lose everything, with RAID you need to lose N drives before you lose but a higher probability of losing one drive if
    they're shagged - do the maths). But there's a certain opportunity cost of filling slots that you could fill with larger drives in future (assuming
    you'd want to).

    Theo

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  • From RobH@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Sun Oct 31 20:41:40 2021
    On 31/10/2021 12:23, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
    Running out of RAID server disk space, I chanced upon an eBay deal for
    ten Seagate 1TB SAS 2.5" spinning hard disks for £80 all in.

    Date of manufacture 2013.

    Hmmm... They are likely gonna be shagged?

    Running in a Dell R620, Plan B if that goes Pete Tong is a couple of
    Samsung Evo 870 1TB SATA SSD consumer drives.


    All my server drives are WD Red specifically for NAS boxes. The oldest 3
    are about 6 years now and no faults are showing....yet.

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Theo on Mon Nov 1 12:53:15 2021
    On 31/10/2021 21:01, Theo wrote:
    Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:
    Running out of RAID server disk space, I chanced upon an eBay deal for
    ten Seagate 1TB SAS 2.5" spinning hard disks for £80 all in.

    Date of manufacture 2013.

    Hmmm... They are likely gonna be shagged?

    If you're RAIDing them, surely that doesn't matter? You're protected
    against N drives failing in your array, so just select N to be sufficiently large enough. And maybe keep a good drive on standby/next day delivery to cover the time when one does go down, when you're at heightened risk?
    (ie if one fails you're now only protected from N-1 failures)

    True, it's how I use them. Like disposable Type 1 ferric oxide cassettes.

    Was just a bit bowled over by how cheap they were this time, to solve a
    VM space problem I'd been banging my head on the wall. However,
    replacing all eight previous 146GB disks (born in 2008!) at the moment
    looks to be a complete back-up/replace operation, and my past unlucky experience is most drive failures show up just as I'm doing something
    critical. So here goes testing first ...

    Although I'm not sure I'd go for it over a single 10TB drive. They're gonna howl and take more power.

    These disks do howl along with the 14 server fans. It's really Halloween
    365 24/7 in there, they ramp up and down in a ghostly wail which can be
    heard at night... Fitting for the season :-)


    Possibly slightly more resilient (with 1x 10TB if
    that one drive goes down you lose everything, with RAID you need to lose N drives before you lose but a higher probability of losing one drive if they're shagged - do the maths).

    I'm fairly good on the backup strategy, so a single drive could work.
    But the work to put it all back would be a pain, which is why I'm using
    RAID. Also both mirroring and striping (Raid 10) works well IME for
    hosting Linux VMs.

    But there's a certain opportunity cost of
    filling slots that you could fill with larger drives in future (assuming you'd want to).

    It's currently 8 disks installed, but I'm going to try reducing the pool
    down to 4 drives. Looks like I can also hang an M.2 SATA SSD (or a
    couple) on internal PCI express cards, and cable them to the R620's RAID controller, but equally I can just bung in SATA SSDs in the drive slots.

    I was looking at (consumer) Samsumg SSD EVO prices as a home lab bodge,
    but the used HDD drives came in cheaper - and I don't think I'm too long
    down the road to eventually scrapping all and buying something decent
    (or investigating AWS)

    I'm collecting too much metal that ought to be sold as scrap.

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    Adrian C

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  • From Falscher Bruce@21:1/5 to RobH on Fri Nov 5 17:13:14 2021
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 4:41:42 AM UTC+8, RobH wrote:


    All my server drives are WD Red specifically for NAS boxes. The oldest 3
    are about 6 years now and no faults are showing....yet.

    I use WD Purple, which are mechanically the same as Red. The 10 TB is a sweet spot, almost as fast as "enterprise" drive, but cheaper. I churn over a lot a data, which isn't needed long term, so no RAID. No failures in 3 years.

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