Without getting at all political, there's been a suggestion that the
pagers in Lebanon exploded through malware causing them to overheat. Can
I just check whether the assembled sages think that's at all a plausible explanation, please?
Without getting at all political, there's been a suggestion that theNot a feasible explanation IMO. If mistreated, lithium batteries go
pagers in Lebanon exploded through malware causing them to overheat. Can
I just check whether the assembled sages think that's at all a plausible explanation, please?
Without getting at all political, there's been a suggestion that the
pagers in Lebanon exploded through malware causing them to overheat. Can
I just check whether the assembled sages think that's at all a plausible explanation, please?
Without getting at all political, there's been a suggestion that the
pagers in Lebanon exploded through malware causing them to overheat. Can
I just check whether the assembled sages think that's at all a plausible explanation, please?
Consensus seems to be there were explosives added during manufacturing. The explosive in a bullet releases energy much more quickly than a battery, and
a handful of bullets going off in your pocket could have this kind of
effect.
Theo
Without getting at all political, there's been a suggestion that the
pagers in Lebanon exploded through malware causing them to overheat. Can
I just check whether the assembled sages think that's at all a plausible explanation, please?
On 18/09/2024 17:05, GB wrote:
Without getting at all political, there's been a suggestion that the
pagers in Lebanon exploded through malware causing them to overheat.
Can I just check whether the assembled sages think that's at all a
plausible explanation, please?
As others have said: That's not how Lithium batteries fail.
The news today seems to be that someone (and fingers point at Israel,
but they haven't admitted it) has interfered with the
manufacturing/supply process and caused a small explosive charge and detonator to be insinuated into the devices in question.
I doubt that could be done with a modern smartphone -- there's precious little free space inside that could be used for such a thing.
On 19/09/2024 12:19, Daniel James wrote:
As others have said: That's not how Lithium batteries fail. The news
today seems to be that someone (and fingers point at Israel, but they
haven't admitted it) has interfered with the manufacturing/supply
process and caused a small explosive charge and detonator to be
insinuated into the devices in question. I doubt that could be done
with a modern smartphone -- there's precious little free space inside
that could be used for such a thing.
If you used a half size battery, would that free up enough space? Slow
the clock down so the phone doesn't run down the smaller battery too
quickly ...
GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> writes:
On 19/09/2024 12:19, Daniel James wrote:
As others have said: That's not how Lithium batteries fail. The news
today seems to be that someone (and fingers point at Israel, but they
haven't admitted it) has interfered with the manufacturing/supply
process and caused a small explosive charge and detonator to be
insinuated into the devices in question. I doubt that could be done
with a modern smartphone -- there's precious little free space inside
that could be used for such a thing.
If you used a half size battery, would that free up enough space? Slow
the clock down so the phone doesn't run down the smaller battery too quickly ...
The NYT report claims the pager batteries were ‘laced with
explosive’.
Perhaps the same could be applied to smartphones. But I
expect Hezbollah don’t use smartphones because they get hacked and then they have a combined listening device and targetting assistant in their pocket.
If you used a half size battery, would that free up enough space?
you could produce bullets with inappropriate propellant. If you were
being kind, you might make it so the bullet goes halfway up the barrel
and then stops - making it a job for an armourer to reactivate the weapon.
If you were being unkind, you could replace the propellant with
explosive, so the breech explodes.
I doubt that could be done with a modern smartphone -- there's precious little free space inside that could be used for such a thing.
Daniel James wrote:
I doubt that could be done with a modern smartphone -- there's precious little free space inside that could be used for such a thing.
Even for the pager/walkie talkie, you would be needing a bespoke
detonator to fit in. Mining detonators are a minimum of 38 mm long, and
only a few mm at the end is actually explosive. Could perhaps make one looking like an electolytic capacitor.
GB wrote:
Without getting at all political, there's been a suggestion that theNot a feasible explanation IMO. If mistreated, lithium batteries go
pagers in Lebanon exploded through malware causing them to overheat. Can
I just check whether the assembled sages think that's at all a plausible
explanation, please?
with a whoosh, not a bang.
On 2024-09-18, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
GB wrote:
Without getting at all political, there's been a suggestion that theNot a feasible explanation IMO. If mistreated, lithium batteries go
pagers in Lebanon exploded through malware causing them to overheat. Can >>> I just check whether the assembled sages think that's at all a plausible >>> explanation, please?
with a whoosh, not a bang.
The media have talked about a small amount of high explosive being in the devices which were set off remotely.
I definitely would not want to work for people in the supply chain where
they bought the pagers and radios. Someone had to be in place for quite
a while to covertly plant explosives in that many devices.
On 22/09/2024 18:08, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
I definitely would not want to work for people in the supply chain where >>they bought the pagers and radios. Someone had to be in place for quite
a while to covertly plant explosives in that many devices.
That all sounds a bit hit-and-miss ... I suspect someone obtained an
entire batch of devices, doctored them all, and then resold them to the >target ... or possibly someone learned that a shipment of devices was >destined for Lebanon and intercepted the package so that they could be >doctored.
The reports say that pagers and walkie-talkies were being used because it
was too easy to track and locate people by their cellphones. It seems >probable that the devices were bought in bulk from a single supplier.
On 22/09/2024 in message <vcpjrn$29jc2$1@dont-email.me> Daniel James wrote:
On 22/09/2024 18:08, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
I definitely would not want to work for people in the supply chain where >>>they bought the pagers and radios. Someone had to be in place for quite >>>a while to covertly plant explosives in that many devices.
That all sounds a bit hit-and-miss ... I suspect someone obtained an
entire batch of devices, doctored them all, and then resold them to the >>target ... or possibly someone learned that a shipment of devices was >>destined for Lebanon and intercepted the package so that they could be >>doctored.
The reports say that pagers and walkie-talkies were being used because it >>was too easy to track and locate people by their cellphones. It seems >>probable that the devices were bought in bulk from a single supplier.
When solicitors got computers :-)
On 22/09/2024 18:08, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
I definitely would not want to work for people in the supply chain
where they bought the pagers and radios. Someone had to be in place
for quite a while to covertly plant explosives in that many devices.
That all sounds a bit hit-and-miss ... I suspect someone obtained an
entire batch of devices, doctored them all, and then resold them to
the target ... or possibly someone learned that a shipment of devices
was destined for Lebanon and intercepted the package so that they
could be doctored.
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