• I think I just found a hole in my Catch22 bucket - Microsoft Account lo

    From David@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 17:22:19 2024
    On a recently upgraded W8.1 -> W10 system I have managed to get myself a Microsoft Account.
    I have also for the moment lost the password, as it isn't the expected
    usual one.

    I expected to be able to go into another Administrator account and change
    the password (like back in the good old days).
    However that option doesn't seem to be on offer these days.

    So, how do you reset the password?
    Well, you use the "Forgot Password" option and it asks you for your email address then sends a reset code to the email address.

    Just a minute.
    If this is my only PC and I can't log in then how do I pick up the email
    with the reset code?

    This seems a logical fallacy.

    Presumably you are assumed to have another device such as a mobile phone
    to get the email.

    Life is complicated enough at the moment. :-(

    Gah!



    Dave R


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  • From GB@21:1/5 to David on Thu May 30 20:23:55 2024
    On 30/05/2024 18:22, David wrote:
    On a recently upgraded W8.1 -> W10 system I have managed to get myself a Microsoft Account.
    I have also for the moment lost the password, as it isn't the expected
    usual one.

    I expected to be able to go into another Administrator account and change
    the password (like back in the good old days).
    However that option doesn't seem to be on offer these days.

    So, how do you reset the password?
    Well, you use the "Forgot Password" option and it asks you for your email address then sends a reset code to the email address.

    Just a minute.
    If this is my only PC and I can't log in then how do I pick up the email
    with the reset code?

    This seems a logical fallacy.

    What would you like instead?



    Presumably you are assumed to have another device such as a mobile phone
    to get the email.

    Life is complicated enough at the moment. :-(

    Gah!



    Dave R



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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to David on Fri May 31 08:49:32 2024
    On 30 May 2024 at 18:22:19 BST, "David" <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On a recently upgraded W8.1 -> W10 system I have managed to get myself a Microsoft Account.
    I have also for the moment lost the password, as it isn't the expected
    usual one.

    You really shouldn't have a "usual" password...

    So, how do you reset the password?
    Well, you use the "Forgot Password" option and it asks you for your email address then sends a reset code to the email address.

    Just a minute.
    If this is my only PC and I can't log in then how do I pick up the email
    with the reset code?

    It seems *pretty* reasonable these days that anyone with a Win10+
    machine will also have a phone, and also that any email address that a single-computer-owning person might use is accessible as a web
    interface. Not foolproof, but good enough for Microsoft QA.

    Mind you, Windows 11 continues to be good enough for MS QA, so it's not
    a high bar.

    Cheers - Jaimie

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 10:39:03 2024
    In article <lbrqubFe14uU2@mid.individual.net>, David wrote...

    On a recently upgraded W8.1 -> W10 system I have managed to get myself a Microsoft Account.
    I have also for the moment lost the password, as it isn't the expected
    usual one.

    I expected to be able to go into another Administrator account and change
    the password (like back in the good old days).
    However that option doesn't seem to be on offer these days.

    So, how do you reset the password?
    Well, you use the "Forgot Password" option and it asks you for your email address then sends a reset code to the email address.

    Just a minute.
    If this is my only PC and I can't log in then how do I pick up the email
    with the reset code?

    This seems a logical fallacy.

    Presumably you are assumed to have another device such as a mobile phone
    to get the email.

    Life is complicated enough at the moment. :-(

    Gah!
    ...

    If the MS Account is one you've only just created then you could simply create a new one.

    Otherwise, the account you want to use is authenticated by MS and you may be able to recover it by attempting to log on to hotmail.com or live.com or any of the MS family sites. There is an option to enter an email address (fine if you can get to an Internet cafe and log on to a useable account you've designated as a Microsoft Account, or a phone number or Skype name. If you haven't supplied any of those, and the email account uses the same (forgotten) password, you may be out of options. In any event, you'll need to be able to answer the "security questions" you set up when creating the MS account.



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  • From David@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Fri May 31 11:40:50 2024
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 10:39:03 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:

    In article <lbrqubFe14uU2@mid.individual.net>, David wrote...

    On a recently upgraded W8.1 -> W10 system I have managed to get myself
    a Microsoft Account.
    I have also for the moment lost the password, as it isn't the expected
    usual one.

    I expected to be able to go into another Administrator account and
    change the password (like back in the good old days).
    However that option doesn't seem to be on offer these days.

    So, how do you reset the password?
    Well, you use the "Forgot Password" option and it asks you for your
    email address then sends a reset code to the email address.

    Just a minute.
    If this is my only PC and I can't log in then how do I pick up the
    email with the reset code?

    This seems a logical fallacy.

    Presumably you are assumed to have another device such as a mobile
    phone to get the email.

    Life is complicated enough at the moment. :-(

    Gah!
    ...

    If the MS Account is one you've only just created then you could simply create a new one.

    Otherwise, the account you want to use is authenticated by MS and you
    may be able to recover it by attempting to log on to hotmail.com or
    live.com or any of the MS family sites. There is an option to enter an
    email address (fine if you can get to an Internet cafe and log on to a useable account you've designated as a Microsoft Account, or a phone
    number or Skype name. If you haven't supplied any of those, and the
    email account uses the same (forgotten) password, you may be out of
    options. In any event, you'll need to be able to answer the "security questions" you set up when creating the MS account.

    This is a long term account on an ages old W8.1 machine which has just
    been upgraded to W10.

    The email address associated with it is an NTLWorld account.
    [Yes, still does my head in that you can nominate an email account as your Microsoft Account and the MA won't share any password details with the
    email account because it is just a tag and has completely different credentials.]

    Microsoft just use the account to send notifications and reset codes.

    You effectively need a second device to pick up any emails, if your
    primary device has you locked out.

    Cheers



    Dave R

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 20:53:16 2024
    In article <lbtra2Fe14uU7@mid.individual.net>, David wrote...
    You effectively need a second device to pick up any emails, if your
    primary device has you locked out.



    I always configure any Windows machine with a second account (often just a local one) in case a profile is locked out or corrupted. Bacon saved several times...

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Sat Jun 1 12:14:00 2024
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 20:53:16 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:

    In article <lbtra2Fe14uU7@mid.individual.net>, David wrote...
    You effectively need a second device to pick up any emails, if your
    primary device has you locked out.



    I always configure any Windows machine with a second account (often just
    a local one) in case a profile is locked out or corrupted. Bacon saved several times...

    So do I.
    However I can no longer reset the password from within Windows, as I could
    in earlier versions.

    Cheers



    Dave R


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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 13:24:44 2024
    In article <lc0hk8F55atU1@mid.individual.net>, David wrote...

    On Fri, 31 May 2024 20:53:16 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:

    In article <lbtra2Fe14uU7@mid.individual.net>, David wrote...
    You effectively need a second device to pick up any emails, if your
    primary device has you locked out.



    I always configure any Windows machine with a second account (often just
    a local one) in case a profile is locked out or corrupted. Bacon saved several times...

    So do I.
    However I can no longer reset the password from within Windows, as I could
    in earlier versions.

    Cheers



    Dave R

    That's because it's not being authenticated against data held on the PC, but against an online service (though I believe there is a cache in case you have no connection - this would be enabled after successful login).

    But if you could access another account on the PC, then you'd have access to an Internet browser, from which you could reset that password.

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