• Windows 10/11

    From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 8 15:08:45 2021
    I decided I'd have a look at Windows 11 on a laptop that I don't use as it won't run Win 8.1.

    I set up secure boot and did a clean install of Win 10 letting it set up
    what it wanted where it wanted.

    I signed on with my MSFT account.

    Problem 1 I can't use remote desktop to my desktop which runs Win 8.1
    using the old BIOS whatever it's called and MBR. It doesn't like my user
    name and password, is this a feature?

    It updated itself to Win 11 over the Internet but again I can't use RDP to
    the desktop machine.

    Any help appreciated!

    --
    Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
    640k ought to be enough for anyone.
    (Bill Gates, 1981)

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Fri Oct 8 16:26:21 2021
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I can't use remote desktop to my desktop which runs Win 8.1 using the
    old BIOS whatever it's called and MBR.

    Can't see how BIOS/UEFI or MBR/GUID would have any impact on RDP

    Is it the NLA/CredSSP encryption oracle problem, what's the exact error message you get?

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 8 20:09:42 2021
    On 08/10/2021 in message <isb68uFcahnU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
    wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I can't use remote desktop to my desktop which runs Win 8.1 using the old >>BIOS whatever it's called and MBR.

    Can't see how BIOS/UEFI or MBR/GUID would have any impact on RDP

    Is it the NLA/CredSSP encryption oracle problem, what's the exact error >message you get?

    I have no idea what "NLA/CredSSP encryption oracle problem" is!

    RDP says: "The logon attempt failed".
    File manager says: "The user name or password is incorrect".

    So no connection to my desktop machine, it sees it on the network but
    won't let me connect. It seems to be attempting to connect using my email
    sign on (needed for Win 11) and even if I change it to user name/password
    no go.

    Interesting as well the Taskbar is now on the bottom of the screen, it can
    be aligned left/middle/right but cannot be placed at the side. Coupled
    with the moronic ribbon in Office we will eventually be trying to prepare documents and spreadsheets using 2 lines in the middle of the screen that
    are left for the user.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
    If you ever find something you like buy a lifetime supply because they
    will stop making it

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Gaines on Sat Oct 9 16:14:10 2021
    On 08/10/2021 in message <xn0n3wd2rvdbc8q02f@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:

    So no connection to my desktop machine, it sees it on the network but
    won't let me connect. It seems to be attempting to connect using my email >sign on (needed for Win 11) and even if I change it to user name/password
    no go.

    I switched to a user name/password logon and I was immediately able to
    connect to my other machines on the network and use RDP. I wonder if
    that's a bug or WAD?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
    Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his
    life.
    (Jeremy Thorpe, 1962)

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Gaines on Sat Oct 9 21:16:43 2021
    On 09/10/2021 in message <xn0n3xlfnwkca0c02i@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:

    On 08/10/2021 in message <xn0n3wd2rvdbc8q02f@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:

    So no connection to my desktop machine, it sees it on the network but
    won't let me connect. It seems to be attempting to connect using my email >>sign on (needed for Win 11) and even if I change it to user name/password >>no go.

    I switched to a user name/password logon and I was immediately able to >connect to my other machines on the network and use RDP. I wonder if
    that's a bug or WAD?

    I've discovered Classic Shell doesn't work on Win 11 and it's not being developed any more.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
    If you ever find something you like buy a lifetime supply because they
    will stop making it

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk on Sun Oct 10 00:43:07 2021
    On 9 Oct 2021 at 22:16:43 BST, ""Jeff Gaines""
    <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    On 09/10/2021 in message <xn0n3xlfnwkca0c02i@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:

    On 08/10/2021 in message <xn0n3wd2rvdbc8q02f@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:

    So no connection to my desktop machine, it sees it on the network but
    won't let me connect. It seems to be attempting to connect using my email >>> sign on (needed for Win 11) and even if I change it to user name/password >>> no go.

    I switched to a user name/password logon and I was immediately able to
    connect to my other machines on the network and use RDP. I wonder if
    that's a bug or WAD?

    I've discovered Classic Shell doesn't work on Win 11 and it's not being developed any more.

    Classic Shell was forked and is now Open Shell. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

    It appears to be mushable into Windows 11 too with a bit of work - https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/issues/856

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    I think perhaps the most important problem is that we
    are trying to understand the fundamental workings of
    the universe via a language devised for telling one
    another when the best fruit is.
    -- Terry Pratchett

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Vandenbergh on Sun Oct 10 07:48:17 2021
    On 10/10/2021 in message <iser8rF34q2U1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie
    Vandenbergh wrote:

    Classic Shell was forked and is now Open Shell. >https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

    It appears to be mushable into Windows 11 too with a bit of work - >https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/issues/856

    Brilliant, wasn't aware of that, thanks Jaimie :-)

    --
    Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
    There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count, and those
    who can't.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sun Oct 10 17:29:46 2021
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I switched to a user name/password logon

    How else were you expecting to log on?

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 10 18:18:50 2021
    On 10/10/2021 in message <isgintFcvv4U4@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
    wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I switched to a user name/password logon

    How else were you expecting to log on?

    The way Windows 11 requires you to do to set it up, Microsoft account
    details. You can switch back one it's installed.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
    This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it

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