• Re: How to Measure WiFi Speed

    From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Mar 11 16:27:01 2024
    On 11/03/2024 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I'd like to check what speed I'm getting over my WiFi. I am streaming
    the radio as I don't have a DAB aerial, but it is quite crackly.

    Is there a way of doing this? Google translates it as measuring Internet speed since many people confuse the two but that's not what I want.

    Windows can tell you what link speed your wifi connection is using.

    [network & internet settings/wifi/properties maybe?]

    have you got a NAS locally, what speed can you downloasdfiles from it,
    that excludes your internet connectivity ... but that will enter into
    radio streaming, but I've generally got a radio stream going for half
    the day and don't notice much if any drop-out from it, certainly no
    "crackle"

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 16:29:39 2024
    On 11 Mar 2024 at 16:15:27 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:


    I'd like to check what speed I'm getting over my WiFi. I am streaming the radio as I don't have a DAB aerial, but it is quite crackly.

    Is there a way of doing this? Google translates it as measuring Internet speed since many people confuse the two but that's not what I want.

    Audio is such tiny quantities of data that it's vanishingly unlikely to
    be speed, and more likely something to do with your client or (less
    likely) the source that generates any crackle.

    Also the stream will be sourced from the Internet, so Internet
    speed+latency would be the right thing to check surely?

    If you do actually want to check the speed of your wifi - bearing in
    mind that it'll vary moment to moment as environmental factors change -
    you'd want one computer on the wifi, one wired, and run iperf on both
    (one as server, "iperf -s", and one as the client with "iperf -c {host
    or ip of server}". Or just transfer eg 1gig of data and stopwatch it.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
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    priority for ATC. I say safety is noise abatement. You have no
    idea how much noise it makes to have a 737 fall out of the sky
    after an accident."
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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 16:15:27 2024
    I'd like to check what speed I'm getting over my WiFi. I am streaming the
    radio as I don't have a DAB aerial, but it is quite crackly.

    Is there a way of doing this? Google translates it as measuring Internet
    speed since many people confuse the two but that's not what I want.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Have you ever noticed that all the instruments searching for intelligent
    life are pointing away from Earth?

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  • From Abandoned Trolley@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Mar 11 20:33:06 2024
    On 11/03/2024 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I'd like to check what speed I'm getting over my WiFi. I am streaming
    the radio as I don't have a DAB aerial, but it is quite crackly.

    Is there a way of doing this? Google translates it as measuring Internet speed since many people confuse the two but that's not what I want.



    Android phones will tell you the speed of a wifi connection, regardless
    of the upstream broadband connection ?

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  • From Raj Kundra@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Mar 12 09:06:29 2024
    On 11/03/2024 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    I'd like to check what speed I'm getting over my WiFi. I am streaming
    the radio as I don't have a DAB aerial, but it is quite crackly.

    Is there a way of doing this? Google translates it as measuring Internet speed since many people confuse the two but that's not what I want.

    Download "FAST" app on phone.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Gaines on Tue Mar 12 09:18:22 2024
    On 11/03/2024 in message <xn0oj7a3xixulhb00g@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:


    I'd like to check what speed I'm getting over my WiFi. I am streaming the >radio as I don't have a DAB aerial, but it is quite crackly.

    Is there a way of doing this? Google translates it as measuring Internet >speed since many people confuse the two but that's not what I want.

    Many thanks for the replies :-)

    I applied a bit of logic. I watch very little live TV now, I use a Roku
    box and stream programmes in HD. Never had a problem so it's not slow
    Internet or LAN.

    Tried another radio programme, absolutely fine, no crackling or gaps.

    Therefore it is Mellow Magic, must have a dry joint somewhere or perhaps
    they won't pay for enough bandwidth?

    I like the station as they play 60's/70's music and have one presenter per
    show so I avoid the modern trend of two presenters spending most of their
    time rolling on the floor wetting themselves at the sound of their own
    wit. I'll have a poke around and see if I can find something similar to
    Mellow Magic.

    --
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    We chose to do this not because it is easy but because we thought it would
    be easy.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 09:40:47 2024
    On 12/03/2024 in message <usp70h$6tm4$2@dont-email.me> Abandoned Trolley
    wrote:



    I like the station as they play 60's/70's music and have one presenter
    per show so I avoid the modern trend of two presenters spending most of >>their time rolling on the floor wetting themselves at the sound of their >>own wit. I'll have a poke around and see if I can find something similar
    to Mellow Magic.



    https://www.radio-uk.co.uk/mellow-magic ?

    That's the one!

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    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do or
    say nothing. (Edmund Burke)

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Mar 12 10:12:14 2024
    On 12/03/2024 09:18, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 11/03/2024 in message <xn0oj7a3xixulhb00g@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:


    I'd like to check what speed I'm getting over my WiFi. I am streaming
    the radio as I don't have a DAB aerial, but it is quite crackly.

    Is there a way of doing this? Google translates it as measuring
    Internet speed since many people confuse the two but that's not what I
    want.

    Many thanks for the replies :-)

    I applied a bit of logic. I watch very little live TV now, I use a Roku
    box and stream programmes in HD. Never had a problem so it's not slow Internet or LAN.

    Tried another radio programme, absolutely fine, no crackling or gaps.

    Therefore it is Mellow Magic, must have a dry joint somewhere or perhaps
    they won't pay for enough bandwidth?

    I like the station as they play 60's/70's music and have one presenter
    per show so I avoid the modern trend of two presenters spending most of
    their time rolling on the floor wetting themselves at the sound of their
    own wit. I'll have a poke around and see if I can find something similar
    to Mellow Magic.



    Mellow Magic is available in different audio formats:

    http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/query.asp?feedme=Mellow+Magic

    One might sound better than the other and switching to the better
    sounding one?


    Try the MP3 and AAC streams on Radiofeeds and if it doesn't play
    properly, that certainly points to a CODEC issue.

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  • From Abandoned Trolley@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 09:24:34 2024

    I like the station as they play 60's/70's music and have one presenter
    per show so I avoid the modern trend of two presenters spending most of
    their time rolling on the floor wetting themselves at the sound of their
    own wit. I'll have a poke around and see if I can find something similar
    to Mellow Magic.



    https://www.radio-uk.co.uk/mellow-magic ?

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to usp9pu$6dlt$1@dont-email.me on Tue Mar 12 11:31:45 2024
    On 12/03/2024 in message <usp9pu$6dlt$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    On 12/03/2024 09:18, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 11/03/2024 in message <xn0oj7a3xixulhb00g@news.individual.net> Jeff >>Gaines wrote:


    I'd like to check what speed I'm getting over my WiFi. I am streaming the >>>radio as I don't have a DAB aerial, but it is quite crackly.

    Is there a way of doing this? Google translates it as measuring Internet >>>speed since many people confuse the two but that's not what I want.

    Many thanks for the replies :-)

    I applied a bit of logic. I watch very little live TV now, I use a Roku
    box and stream programmes in HD. Never had a problem so it's not slow >>Internet or LAN.

    Tried another radio programme, absolutely fine, no crackling or gaps.

    Therefore it is Mellow Magic, must have a dry joint somewhere or perhaps >>they won't pay for enough bandwidth?

    I like the station as they play 60's/70's music and have one presenter
    per show so I avoid the modern trend of two presenters spending most of >>their time rolling on the floor wetting themselves at the sound of their >>own wit. I'll have a poke around and see if I can find something similar
    to Mellow Magic.



    Mellow Magic is available in different audio formats:

    http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/query.asp?feedme=Mellow+Magic

    One might sound better than the other and switching to the better sounding >one?


    Try the MP3 and AAC streams on Radiofeeds and if it doesn't play properly, >that certainly points to a CODEC issue.

    That is interesting thank you :-)

    The manual only mentions "Codec" twice. It says DAB+ uses the MPEG-4 audio codec (AAC+) and that Bluetooth uses SBC, AAC. However, no option to
    choose a codec.

    It does have a lot of faked effects like "Cathedral", "Hall in Munich" and
    can convert 2 channel stereo to 5 channel surround. I have changed it to "Straight" to stop any further processing. Unfortunately still has odd
    weird noises coming through.

    I will keep trying...

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Indecision is the key to flexibility

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Mar 12 12:06:09 2024
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Tried another radio programme, absolutely fine, no crackling or gaps.

    Therefore it is Mellow Magic

    Maybe google is trying to save my lug 'oles, but it refuses to
    acknowledge "mellow magic" exists ... radioplayer finds it and doesn't
    sound crackly ...

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Mar 12 12:16:22 2024
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Maybe google is trying to save my lug 'oles, but it refuses to
    acknowledge "mellow magic" exists ... radioplayer finds it and doesn't
    sound crackly ...

    Sorry, three songs was enough ... no crackles though.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 13:33:14 2024
    On 12/03/2024 in message <l5avcnF7hn6U3@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
    wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Maybe google is trying to save my lug 'oles, but it refuses to
    acknowledge "mellow magic" exists ... radioplayer finds it and doesn't >>sound crackly ...

    Sorry, three songs was enough ... no crackles though.

    You're obviously much too young for it :-)

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    Captcha is thinking of stopping the use of pictures with traffic lights as cyclists don't know what they are.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 14:52:48 2024
    On 12/03/2024 in message <uspp2u$b6qh$1@dont-email.me> Abandoned Trolley
    wrote:


    Sorry, three songs was enough ... no crackles though.

    You're obviously much too young for it :-)



    or just not deaf (yet)

    :-)

    The first alternative sounded OK but the third song was Cliff Richard so I moved on. 24-7 The Sixties has been good so far and no presenter, just non
    stop music!

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    Did you know on the Canary Islands there is not one canary?
    And on the Virgin Islands same thing, not one canary.

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  • From Abandoned Trolley@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 12 14:33:03 2024
    Sorry, three songs was enough ... no crackles though.

    You're obviously much too young for it :-)



    or just not deaf (yet)

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Mar 12 18:17:26 2024
    On 12/03/2024 11:31, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 12/03/2024 in message <usp9pu$6dlt$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    On 12/03/2024 09:18, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 11/03/2024 in message <xn0oj7a3xixulhb00g@news.individual.net>
    Jeff Gaines wrote:


    I'd like to check what speed I'm getting over my WiFi. I am
    streaming  the radio as I don't have a DAB aerial, but it is quite
    crackly.

    Is there a way of doing this? Google translates it as measuring
    Internet speed since many people confuse the two but that's not what
    I  want.

    Many thanks for the replies :-)

    I applied a bit of logic. I watch very little live TV now, I use a
    Roku box and stream programmes in HD. Never had a problem so it's not
    slow Internet or LAN.

    Tried another radio programme, absolutely fine, no crackling or gaps.

    Therefore it is Mellow Magic, must have a dry joint somewhere or
    perhaps they won't pay for enough bandwidth?

    I like the station as they play 60's/70's music and have one
    presenter per show so I avoid the modern trend of two presenters
    spending most of their time rolling on the floor wetting themselves
    at the sound of their own wit. I'll have a poke around and see if I
    can find something similar to Mellow Magic.



    Mellow Magic is available in different audio formats:

    http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/query.asp?feedme=Mellow+Magic

    One might sound better than the other and switching to the better
    sounding one?


    Try the MP3 and AAC streams on Radiofeeds and if it doesn't play
    properly, that certainly points to a CODEC issue.

    That is interesting thank you :-)

    The manual only mentions "Codec" twice. It says DAB+ uses the MPEG-4
    audio codec (AAC+) and that Bluetooth uses SBC, AAC. However, no option
    to choose a codec.

    It does have a lot of faked effects like "Cathedral", "Hall in Munich"
    and can convert 2 channel stereo to 5 channel surround. I have changed
    it to "Straight" to stop any further processing. Unfortunately still has
    odd weird noises coming through.

    I will keep trying...



    A question... What software are you actually using to listen to the
    Mellow Magic stream?

    If the two radiofeeds streams play OK within the browser, (try other
    browsers if need be)

    it might be worth trying a different streaming player, I'd start with
    VLC or Kodi.

    Regarding any missing codecs, you could try and install CCCP (Combined Community Codec Pack) as that should have *all* codecs included

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to usq67m$e4g2$1@dont-email.me on Tue Mar 12 19:25:53 2024
    On 12/03/2024 in message <usq67m$e4g2$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    The manual only mentions "Codec" twice. It says DAB+ uses the MPEG-4
    audio codec (AAC+) and that Bluetooth uses SBC, AAC. However, no option
    to choose a codec.

    It does have a lot of faked effects like "Cathedral", "Hall in Munich"
    and can convert 2 channel stereo to 5 channel surround. I have changed it >>to "Straight" to stop any further processing. Unfortunately still has odd >>weird noises coming through.

    I will keep trying...



    A question... What software are you actually using to listen to the Mellow >Magic stream?

    If the two radiofeeds streams play OK within the browser, (try other
    browsers if need be)

    it might be worth trying a different streaming player, I'd start with VLC
    or Kodi.

    Regarding any missing codecs, you could try and install CCCP (Combined >Community Codec Pack) as that should have all codecs included

    Sorry that seems to have become lost somewhere!

    It's a Yamaha RX-S601D AV Receiver - effectively a "smart" radio receiver
    with a plethora of inputs of different types (including 6 x HDMI) which is
    the centre of my home entertainment system. It has several boxes feeding
    into it and it extracts the audio and plays it via a couple of
    Mordaunt-Short Aviano 1 speakers and passes the picture on to the TV. It
    has the latest firmware and as such is not flexible as far as codecs are concerned.

    The station I found played fine all afternoon and I am beginning to think
    it is a problem with Mellow Magic.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    We chose to do this not because it is easy but because we thought it would
    be easy.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Mar 12 23:01:49 2024
    On 12/03/2024 19:25, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 12/03/2024 in message <usq67m$e4g2$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    The manual only mentions "Codec" twice. It says DAB+ uses the MPEG-4
    audio codec (AAC+) and that Bluetooth uses SBC, AAC. However, no
    option to choose a codec.

    It does have a lot of faked effects like "Cathedral", "Hall in
    Munich" and can convert 2 channel stereo to 5 channel surround. I
    have changed  it to "Straight" to stop any further processing.
    Unfortunately still has  odd weird noises coming through.

    I will keep trying...



    A question... What software are you actually using to listen to the
    Mellow Magic stream?

    If the two radiofeeds streams play OK within the browser, (try other
    browsers if need be)

    it might be worth trying a different streaming player, I'd start with
    VLC or Kodi.

    Regarding any missing codecs, you could try and install CCCP (Combined
    Community Codec Pack) as that should have all codecs included

    Sorry that seems to have become lost somewhere!

    It's a Yamaha RX-S601D AV Receiver - effectively a "smart" radio
    receiver with a plethora of inputs of different types (including 6 x
    HDMI) which is the centre of my home entertainment system. It has
    several boxes feeding into it and it extracts the audio and plays it via
    a couple of Mordaunt-Short Aviano 1 speakers and passes the picture on
    to the TV. It has the latest firmware and as such is not flexible as far
    as codecs are concerned.

    The station I found played fine all afternoon and I am beginning to
    think it is a problem with Mellow Magic.


    ah ha, you're using an AV reciever and here's me thinking it was PC
    related as this is a uk.comp-homebuilt newsgroup...... :-)

    Humour me please, what is the radio feeds of Mellow Magic like on a PC
    via a web browser and also do they play OK on VLC on a PC?

    If it does play better, then perhaps a Roku stick or even a Pi 4 running Radiofeeds or VLC on one of your 6 HDMI inputs could do a better job of
    playing Mellow Magic?

    As an aside, isn't Mellow Magic also available on DAB+?

    SFX: googles.... aha!

    https://media.info/radio/stations/mellow-magic/listen

    aha.... two audio links for you to try and you can get Mellow Magic on
    DAB+ if you tune into the SDL Mux on 11A which is on 216.928 MHz. The
    SDL mux is a national mux so should be recievable with a half reasonable
    DAB aerial plugged into your AV reciever and assuming that your AV
    reciever supports DAB+

    See http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#D2

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to usqmst$hst9$1@dont-email.me on Wed Mar 13 10:06:06 2024
    On 12/03/2024 in message <usqmst$hst9$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    ah ha, you're using an AV reciever and here's me thinking it was PC
    related as this is a uk.comp-homebuilt newsgroup...... :-)

    My original question was about measuring network speed but we've moved on
    :-)


    Humour me please, what is the radio feeds of Mellow Magic like on a PC via
    a web browser and also do they play OK on VLC on a PC?

    If it does play better, then perhaps a Roku stick or even a Pi 4 running >Radiofeeds or VLC on one of your 6 HDMI inputs could do a better job of >playing Mellow Magic?

    That's worth trying, I'll have a listen via my Roku box later. The box
    isn't as easy to control via my Logitech hub as it always starts on the
    home page and it's not just a simple case of sending it a string of numbers.


    As an aside, isn't Mellow Magic also available on DAB+?

    SFX: googles.... aha!

    https://media.info/radio/stations/mellow-magic/listen

    aha.... two audio links for you to try and you can get Mellow Magic on
    DAB+ if you tune into the SDL Mux on 11A which is on 216.928 MHz. The SDL
    mux is a national mux so should be recievable with a half reasonable DAB >aerial plugged into your AV reciever and assuming that your AV reciever >supports DAB+

    See http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#D2

    I don't have a DAB aerial, streaming avoids having to get one!

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Roses are #FF0000, violets are #0000FF
    if you can read this, you're a nerd 10.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to ussua0$13ota$1@dont-email.me on Wed Mar 13 19:39:45 2024
    On 13/03/2024 in message <ussua0$13ota$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    I don't have a DAB aerial, streaming avoids having to get one!



    while I see the attraction of streaming off the internet, what happens
    when the internet goes down?

    I have a distribution system fed by a FM aerial, a DAB aerial, 4 UHF TV >aerials and 5 off satellite dishes feeding all TVs, radios and PCs that
    have tuner cards.....

    I also have UPS for power cuts too.

    The Internet went down for 5 days in the village recently, I managed to
    survive without music!

    I have a TV aerial and a satellite dish so that's enough for me. I used
    the Roku box this afternoon and got solid reception. I will try it
    tomorrow again since most of the problems seem to be in the morning.
    Difficult to compare as it takes a while to switch from one to t'other.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    If Björn & Benny had been called Syd and Dave then ABBA would have been
    called ASDA.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Mar 13 19:20:32 2024
    On 13/03/2024 10:06, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 12/03/2024 in message <usqmst$hst9$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    ah ha, you're using an AV reciever and here's me thinking it was PC
    related as this is a uk.comp-homebuilt newsgroup...... :-)

    My original question was about measuring network speed but we've moved
    on :-)


    Humour me please, what is the radio feeds of Mellow Magic like on a PC
    via a web browser and also do they play OK on VLC on a PC?

    If it does play better, then perhaps a Roku stick or even a Pi 4
    running Radiofeeds or VLC on one of your 6 HDMI inputs could do a
    better job of playing Mellow Magic?

    That's worth trying, I'll have a listen via my Roku box later. The box
    isn't as easy to control via my Logitech hub as it always starts on the
    home page and it's not just a simple case of sending it a string of
    numbers.


    As an aside, isn't Mellow Magic also available on DAB+?

    SFX: googles.... aha!

    https://media.info/radio/stations/mellow-magic/listen

    aha.... two audio links for you to try and you can get Mellow Magic on
    DAB+ if you tune into the SDL Mux on 11A which is on 216.928 MHz. The
    SDL mux is a national mux so should be recievable with a half
    reasonable DAB aerial plugged into your AV reciever and assuming that
    your AV reciever supports DAB+

    See http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#D2

    I don't have a DAB aerial, streaming avoids having to get one!



    while I see the attraction of streaming off the internet, what happens
    when the internet goes down?

    I have a distribution system fed by a FM aerial, a DAB aerial, 4 UHF TV
    aerials and 5 off satellite dishes feeding all TVs, radios and PCs that
    have tuner cards.....

    I also have UPS for power cuts too.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Thu Mar 14 09:12:31 2024
    On 13/03/2024 19:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 13/03/2024 in message <ussua0$13ota$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    I don't have a DAB aerial, streaming avoids having to get one!



    while I see the attraction of streaming off the internet, what happens
    when the internet goes down?

    I have a distribution system fed by a FM aerial, a DAB aerial, 4 UHF
    TV aerials and 5 off satellite dishes feeding all TVs, radios and PCs
    that have tuner cards.....

    I also have UPS for power cuts too.

    The Internet went down for 5 days in the village recently, I managed to survive without music!

    I have a TV aerial and a satellite dish so that's enough for me. I used
    the Roku box this afternoon and got solid reception. I will try it
    tomorrow again since most of the problems seem to be in the morning. Difficult to compare as it takes a while to switch from one to t'other.



    Have I have understood you correctly as it seemns you are implying that
    the Mellow Magic music quality issues only occurs in the morning AND
    only on the AV reciever?

    To be honest with you, as Mellow Magic is on the SDL DAB+ mux pretty
    much nationally, and at similar power levels as the BBC and Digital 1 ensmebles, I'd be tempted to put in a simple wire about 75 cm long with
    one end stripped and poked into the centre pin of the DAB+ aerial
    F-connector at the back of the AV reciever and position the wire so it
    is vertical and going upwards towards the ceiling.

    Then see what Mellow Magic's audio quality is like on the 11A SDL ensemble.


    S.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to usuf1v$1gv6a$1@dont-email.me on Thu Mar 14 10:28:05 2024
    On 14/03/2024 in message <usuf1v$1gv6a$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    I have a TV aerial and a satellite dish so that's enough for me. I used
    the Roku box this afternoon and got solid reception. I will try it
    tomorrow again since most of the problems seem to be in the morning. >>Difficult to compare as it takes a while to switch from one to t'other.



    Have I have understood you correctly as it seemns you are implying that
    the Mellow Magic music quality issues only occurs in the morning AND only
    on the AV reciever?

    That seems to be true, cracks and pops mainly (but not exclusively) in the mornings.


    To be honest with you, as Mellow Magic is on the SDL DAB+ mux pretty much >nationally, and at similar power levels as the BBC and Digital 1
    ensmebles, I'd be tempted to put in a simple wire about 75 cm long with
    one end stripped and poked into the centre pin of the DAB+ aerial
    F-connector at the back of the AV reciever and position the wire so it is >vertical and going upwards towards the ceiling.

    Then see what Mellow Magic's audio quality is like on the 11A SDL ensemble.

    Two bits of good news:

    When I turned on the Roku box this morning it immediately switched to the
    Roku radio player app, must be something in the app as normally it goes to
    the home screen. That would make adding it to the Logitech hub much easier.

    It has run perfectly so far, no crackles or pops at all.

    The question now is why does the Roku box play Mellow Magic cleanly but
    the radio doesn't? The Roku connects to the Tenda Mesh system by WiFi, the radio is plugged into a Tenda module. I wonder if the module has a
    problem? The radio only has a wired connection. I could set up my
    powerline network and see what that does.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Indecision is the key to flexibility

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Thu Mar 14 20:41:16 2024
    On 14/03/2024 10:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 14/03/2024 in message <usuf1v$1gv6a$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    I have a TV aerial and a satellite dish so that's enough for me. I
    used the Roku box this afternoon and got solid reception. I will try
    it tomorrow again since most of the problems seem to be in the
    morning. Difficult to compare as it takes a while to switch from one
    to t'other.



    Have I have understood you correctly as it seemns you are implying
    that the Mellow Magic music quality issues only occurs in the morning
    AND only on the AV reciever?

    That seems to be true, cracks and pops mainly (but not exclusively) in
    the mornings.


    To be honest with you, as Mellow Magic is on the SDL DAB+ mux pretty
    much nationally, and at similar power levels as the BBC and Digital 1
    ensmebles, I'd be tempted to put in a simple wire about 75 cm long
    with one end stripped and poked into the centre pin of the DAB+ aerial
    F-connector at the back of the AV reciever and position the wire so it
    is vertical and going upwards towards the ceiling.

    Then see what Mellow Magic's audio quality is like on the 11A SDL
    ensemble.

    Two bits of good news:

    When I turned on the Roku box this morning it immediately switched to
    the Roku radio player app, must be something in the app as normally it
    goes to the home screen. That would make adding it to the Logitech hub
    much easier.

    It has run perfectly so far, no crackles or pops at all.

    The question now is why does the Roku box play Mellow Magic cleanly but
    the radio doesn't? The Roku connects to the Tenda Mesh system by WiFi,
    the radio is plugged into a Tenda module. I wonder if the module has a problem? The radio only has a wired connection. I could set up my
    powerline network and see what that does.



    Correct me if I am wrong: Am I right in thinking that your AV reciever
    has an integrated audio streamer that pulls radio streams off the
    internet, and that you can use either wi Fi or an ethernet cable for
    internet connectivity?

    Do you know *Exactly* what the URL the AV reciever is using for sourcing
    the Mellow Magic? Try playing that URL on a PC and see what the audio is
    like?

    Can you change the URL the AV reciever uses for Mellow Magic for one
    that you have listened to on a PC that sounds OK?

    Or is it one of those "walled garden" of audio sources that your AV
    reciever is tied to?

    I have a sony that is tied to the vTuner ecosystem.

    Sony stopped paying royalties to vTuner so the internet radio section of
    the sony is deader than a dodo!

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to usvndc$1r5i7$1@dont-email.me on Thu Mar 14 21:17:42 2024
    On 14/03/2024 in message <usvndc$1r5i7$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    The question now is why does the Roku box play Mellow Magic cleanly but
    the radio doesn't? The Roku connects to the Tenda Mesh system by WiFi,
    the radio is plugged into a Tenda module. I wonder if the module has a >>problem? The radio only has a wired connection. I could set up my
    powerline network and see what that does.



    Correct me if I am wrong: Am I right in thinking that your AV reciever has
    an integrated audio streamer that pulls radio streams off the internet,
    and that you can use either wi Fi or an ethernet cable for internet >connectivity?

    An integrate streamer yes, ethernet cable only.


    Do you know Exactly what the URL the AV reciever is using for sourcing the >Mellow Magic? Try playing that URL on a PC and see what the audio is like?

    No, it's a "black box" as far as that sort of information is concerned.
    The firmware is the latest available but hasn't updated for ages.


    Can you change the URL the AV reciever uses for Mellow Magic for one that
    you have listened to on a PC that sounds OK?

    No.


    Or is it one of those "walled garden" of audio sources that your AV
    reciever is tied to?

    Yes, walled garden.


    I have a sony that is tied to the vTuner ecosystem.

    Sony stopped paying royalties to vTuner so the internet radio section of
    the sony is deader than a dodo!

    That's one of the reasons I prefer a different box for each function in
    theory it's cheaper than replacing one multi function unit.

    I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus streaming
    and I would have more control over it. Might be an interesting project?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Fri Mar 15 08:58:12 2024
    On 14/03/2024 21:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 14/03/2024 in message <usvndc$1r5i7$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    The question now is why does the Roku box play Mellow Magic cleanly
    but the radio doesn't? The Roku connects to the Tenda Mesh system by
    WiFi, the radio is plugged into a Tenda module. I wonder if the
    module has a problem? The radio only has a wired connection. I could
    set up my powerline network and see what that does.



    Correct me if I am wrong: Am I right in thinking that your AV reciever
    has an integrated audio streamer that pulls radio streams off the
    internet, and that you can use either wi Fi or an ethernet cable for
    internet connectivity?

    An integrate streamer yes, ethernet cable only.


    Do you know Exactly what the URL the AV reciever is using for sourcing
    the Mellow Magic? Try playing that URL on a PC and see what the audio
    is like?

    No, it's a "black box" as far as that sort of information is concerned.
    The firmware is the latest available but hasn't updated for ages.


    Can you change the URL the AV reciever uses for Mellow Magic for one
    that you have listened to on a PC that sounds OK?

    No.


    Or is it one of those "walled garden" of audio sources that your AV
    reciever is tied to?

    Yes, walled garden.


    This is one of the reasons why I like my own personal DNS (Pi hole) and
    making *everything* network connected use this DNS instead of your ISP's provided DNS.

    It is then trivial to look at the DNS lookup logs, filter the list for
    all DNS requests made by a specific device on my network, and voila, I
    have the http(s) URL!

    Obviously this falls down if a device makes a connection to a specific
    IP address directly as that does not require DNS lookup.

    Wireshark put on a Raspberry Pi and plugged into a network port that is
    set to mirror the traffic on the port connected to your AV reciever will
    soon sort that :-)


    I have a sony that is tied to the vTuner ecosystem.

    Sony stopped paying royalties to vTuner so the internet radio section
    of the sony is deader than a dodo!

    That's one of the reasons I prefer a different box for each function in theory it's cheaper than replacing one multi function unit.

    I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
    media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
    streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an interesting project?


    Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat Tuner on
    board in my computers

    I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards with
    8 Freesat tuners on board.

    A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.

    That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?

    You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4 freeview
    signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein EXIP 414 to put
    4 freesat signals on the Network.

    This saves you having to build and maintain a media server as the
    streams are based on Sat>IP and VLC, Kodi, DVBviewer can access them
    directly.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me on Sat Mar 16 13:19:48 2024
    On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a media >>streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus streaming >>and I would have more control over it. Might be an interesting project?


    Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat Tuner on >board in my computers

    I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards with 8 >Freesat tuners on board.

    A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.

    That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?

    Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!

    You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4 freeview
    signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein EXIP 414 to put 4 >freesat signals on the Network.

    I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!

    Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my searches
    are leading me up blind alleys.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Captcha is thinking of stopping the use of pictures with traffic lights as cyclists don't know what they are.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sat Mar 16 21:29:51 2024
    On 16/03/2024 13:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
    media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
    streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an
    interesting  project?


    Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat Tuner
    on board in my computers

    I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards
    with 8 Freesat tuners on board.

    A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.

    That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?

    Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!

    You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4 freeview
    signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein EXIP 414 to
    put 4 freesat signals on the Network.

    I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!

    Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my searches
    are leading me up blind alleys.



    From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)

    I give you RTL SDR....

    SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc is
    all done in software.

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/

    The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending on
    the tuner on board.

    (DAB radio is 174 MHz to 230 NHz)

    The Welle.io software is here:

    https://www.welle.io/

    https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RTL-SDR

    Be warned, the RTL SDR and associated software is a real tinkerers
    paradise and and to get the best out of, don't be surprised if you end
    up using Linux.....

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/

    https://radio-hobbyist.com/rtl-sdr-install-config/

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to ut530g$33b19$1@dont-email.me on Sat Mar 16 22:38:13 2024
    On 16/03/2024 in message <ut530g$33b19$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    On 16/03/2024 13:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a >>>>media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus >>>>streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an >>>>interesting  project?


    Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat Tuner on >>>board in my computers

    I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards with >>>8 Freesat tuners on board.

    A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.

    That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?

    Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!

    You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4 freeview >>>signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein EXIP 414 to put 4 >>>freesat signals on the Network.

    I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!

    Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my searches >>are leading me up blind alleys.



    From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)

    I give you RTL SDR....

    SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc is
    all done in software.

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/

    The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending on
    the tuner on board.

    (DAB radio is 174 MHz to 230 NHz)

    The Welle.io software is here:

    https://www.welle.io/

    https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RTL-SDR

    Be warned, the RTL SDR and associated software is a real tinkerers
    paradise and and to get the best out of, don't be surprised if you end up >using Linux.....

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/

    https://radio-hobbyist.com/rtl-sdr-install-config/

    Thanks again :-)

    Will look in detail tomorrow.

    Some discoveries today:

    My Yamaha AV receiver does WiFi and the reception of Mellow Magic is
    excellent. One more test tomorrow - a different Ethernet cable before I
    make a final decision.

    Going back to your input re codecs I have set up JellyFin, Universal Media Player and Plex and tested them today by streaming to my Roku. The
    picture quality for JellyFin and Universal Media Server is noticeably
    better than Plex which, presumably, reflects the codecs they use?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Those are my principles – and if you don’t like them, well, I have
    others.
    (Groucho Marx)

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Gaines on Sun Mar 17 15:13:37 2024
    On 16/03/2024 in message <xn0ojekzp5i1r1z00e@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:

    From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)

    I give you RTL SDR....

    SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc is
    all done in software.
    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/

    The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending on
    the tuner on board.

    Mellow Magic was back to burbling occasionally with the AV Receiver
    connected by Ethernet cable, really weird.

    Is there an Internet radio version of the RTL SDR? Ideally I would like a
    Roku on a PCIe card so I can pick up Internet radio then something to
    stream it to my home network via DLNA.

    How old is welle-io? I had a crude DAB radio from Creative Labs many moons
    ago that needed software to decode it and the name sounds familiar.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Are you confused about gender?
    Try milking a bull, you'll learn real quick.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sun Mar 17 19:25:30 2024
    On 17/03/2024 15:13, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 16/03/2024 in message <xn0ojekzp5i1r1z00e@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:

    From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)

    I give you RTL SDR....

    SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc
    is all done in software.

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/

    The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending
    on the tuner on board.

    Mellow Magic was back to burbling occasionally with the AV Receiver
    connected by Ethernet cable, really weird.

    Is there an Internet radio version of the RTL SDR? Ideally I would like
    a Roku on a PCIe card so I can pick up Internet radio then something to stream it to my home network via DLNA.

    How old is welle-io? I had a crude DAB radio from Creative Labs many
    moons ago that needed software to decode it and the name sounds familiar.

    When you say burbling. does it sound like bubbling or boiling mud?

    That is a sympton of marginal DAB+ signal reception, i.e the signal
    quality has gone down too low even when there is enough signal strength.

    So two possibilities.....

    the walled garden that you get your Mellow Magic from is feeding from a
    DAB+ tuner with marginal signal quality in which case a complaint to the
    walled garden provider or via the AV amp manufacturer?

    Or the AV reciever is giving you Mellow Magic from the DAB/DAB+ section
    than from the walled garden of radio stations?

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sun Mar 17 19:32:17 2024
    On 16/03/2024 22:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 16/03/2024 in message <ut530g$33b19$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    On 16/03/2024 13:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
    media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
    streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an
    interesting  project?


    Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat
    Tuner  on board in my computers

    I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards
    with 8 Freesat tuners on board.

    A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.

    That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?

    Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!

    You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4
    freeview signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein
    EXIP 414 to  put 4 freesat signals on the Network.

    I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!

    Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my
    searches are leading me up blind alleys.



    From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)

    I give you RTL SDR....

    SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc
    is all done in software.

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/

    The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending
    on the tuner on board.

    (DAB radio is 174 MHz to 230 NHz)

    The Welle.io software is here:

    https://www.welle.io/

    https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RTL-SDR

    Be warned, the RTL SDR and associated software is a real tinkerers
    paradise and and to get the best out of, don't be surprised if you end
    up using Linux.....

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/

    https://radio-hobbyist.com/rtl-sdr-install-config/

    Thanks again :-)

    Will look in detail tomorrow.

    Some discoveries today:

    My Yamaha AV receiver does WiFi and the reception of Mellow Magic is excellent. One more test tomorrow - a different Ethernet cable before I
    make a final decision.

    If there was a defective ethernet cable, you'd expect other internet
    streams to be affected at the same time as bad mellow Magic?

    Going back to your input re codecs I have set up JellyFin, Universal
    Media Player and Plex  and tested them today by streaming to my Roku.

    Its not just codecs,

    It also depends on home network bandwidth and where the source media is
    coming from in the case of internet streams.

    If its your own personal media, then there could be some on the fly
    transcoding going on such as AVI to MPG or to MP4 etc.

    It all depends on what formats the server supports and serves up and
    what formats your client players can work with and whether your source
    media needs transcoding if its not a supported format.

    Transcoding will imtroduce artefacts...

    Its better to have a server AND client that can natively support all
    formats your audio and video is in.

    If transcoding is unavoidable, then it is better to upcode to a better
    qaulity format than to downcode to a poorer quality format.....

    There are tools out there that can batch transcode your video and audio
    library as this will reduce the server or client load if it has to do on
    the fly transcoding.

    S.


    The picture quality for JellyFin and Universal Media Server is
    noticeably better than Plex which, presumably, reflects the codecs they
    use?


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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to ut7g3a$3m6ed$1@dont-email.me on Mon Mar 18 12:50:40 2024
    On 17/03/2024 in message <ut7g3a$3m6ed$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    When you say burbling. does it sound like bubbling or boiling mud?

    That is a sympton of marginal DAB+ signal reception, i.e the signal
    quality has gone down too low even when there is enough signal strength.

    I haven't heard boiling mud, are they a 60's band?

    I have put an enquiry in with Yamaha, be interesting to see if they have
    any ideas.

    The Roku receives it fine but is very difficult to control with my Harmony
    Hub. It is limited to up, down, left, right, home & enter pretty well. The problem is it doesn't start with the same screen twice :-(

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    I've been through the desert on a horse with no name.
    It was a right bugger to get him back when he ran off.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Mar 18 18:33:43 2024
    On 18/03/2024 12:50, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 17/03/2024 in message <ut7g3a$3m6ed$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    When you say burbling. does it sound like bubbling or boiling mud?

    That is a sympton of marginal DAB+ signal reception, i.e the signal
    quality has gone down too low even when there is enough signal strength.

    I haven't heard boiling mud, are they a 60's band?

    I have put an enquiry in with Yamaha, be interesting to see if they have
    any ideas.

    The Roku receives it fine but is very difficult to control with my
    Harmony Hub. It is limited to up, down, left, right, home & enter pretty well. The problem is it doesn't start with the same screen twice :-(



    LOL, not a 60's band, its the sound the DAB radio makes when reception
    is poor quality.....

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2024
    On 18/03/2024 18:33, SH wrote:
    On 18/03/2024 12:50, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 17/03/2024 in message <ut7g3a$3m6ed$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    When you say burbling. does it sound like bubbling or boiling mud?

    That is a sympton of marginal DAB+ signal reception, i.e the signal
    quality has gone down too low even when there is enough signal strength.

    I haven't heard boiling mud, are they a 60's band?

    I have put an enquiry in with Yamaha, be interesting to see if they
    have any ideas.

    The Roku receives it fine but is very difficult to control with my
    Harmony Hub. It is limited to up, down, left, right, home & enter
    pretty well. The problem is it doesn't start with the same screen
    twice :-(



    LOL, not a 60's band, its the sound the DAB radio makes when reception
    is poor quality.....




    P.S. it would not surprise me if the walled garden that is providing
    radio streams to your yamaha has a bank of DAB tuners with digital audio outputs which are then fed into a media server.... so when the reception
    is marginal, the DAB tuner then boils mud and that gets fed to the media server......

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Mar 18 21:51:04 2024
    On 16/03/2024 22:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 16/03/2024 in message <ut530g$33b19$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    On 16/03/2024 13:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
    media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
    streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an
    interesting  project?


    Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat
    Tuner  on board in my computers

    I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards
    with 8 Freesat tuners on board.

    A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.

    That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?

    Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!

    You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4
    freeview signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein
    EXIP 414 to  put 4 freesat signals on the Network.

    I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!

    Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my
    searches are leading me up blind alleys.



    From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)

    I give you RTL SDR....

    SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc
    is all done in software.

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/

    The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending
    on the tuner on board.

    (DAB radio is 174 MHz to 230 NHz)

    The Welle.io software is here:

    https://www.welle.io/

    https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RTL-SDR

    Be warned, the RTL SDR and associated software is a real tinkerers
    paradise and and to get the best out of, don't be surprised if you end
    up using Linux.....

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/

    https://radio-hobbyist.com/rtl-sdr-install-config/

    Thanks again :-)

    Will look in detail tomorrow.

    Some discoveries today:

    My Yamaha AV receiver does WiFi and the reception of Mellow Magic is excellent. One more test tomorrow - a different Ethernet cable before I
    make a final decision.

    Going back to your input re codecs I have set up JellyFin, Universal
    Media Player and Plex  and tested them today by streaming to my Roku.
    The picture quality for JellyFin and Universal Media Server is
    noticeably better than Plex which, presumably, reflects the codecs they
    use?



    finally found a PCIe DAB+ tuner....

    https://www.audioscience.com/internet/products/tuner_cards/asi8821.htm

    They are professional grade used by companies to monitor their radio transmissions, this card can have up to 8 DAB+ audio signals....

    As its a niche end use, expect these to cost arm and a leg.... :-)

    Then you've got to work out how to stream the 8 DAB+ stations over the
    home network as RTSP streams. :-)

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Mar 18 21:53:20 2024
    On 16/03/2024 22:38, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 16/03/2024 in message <ut530g$33b19$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    On 16/03/2024 13:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 15/03/2024 in message <ut12j5$26jpe$1@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    I suppose I should bring one of my spare machines into service as a
    media streamer. It can have Freeview and satellite dish inputs plus
    streaming and I would have more control over it. Might be an
    interesting  project?


    Yes, I have PCIe cards that have a Freeview tuner AND a Freesat
    Tuner  on board in my computers

    I've seen PCIe cards that have 8 freeview tuners on board and cards
    with 8 Freesat tuners on board.

    A RTLSDR could be used for FM, DAB and DAB Plus.

    That reminds me, is Mellow Magic avaible on Freesat?

    Magic is but not Mellow Magic, it's the runt of the family!

    You can also get the Silicon Dust Quattro tuner which puts 4
    freeview signals on your home network, and there is the Kathrein
    EXIP 414 to  put 4 freesat signals on the Network.

    I have dusted off my HP Z230 and installed Universal Media Player!

    Is there such a thing as a PCIe card that streams radio? All my
    searches are leading me up blind alleys.



    From the Man that gave you Ventoy and Bluestacks.... :-)

    I give you RTL SDR....

    SDR is software defined radio where all the tuning, demodulation etc
    is all done in software.

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/welle-io-new-rtl-sdr-airspy-dab-dab-decoder-available-windowslinux/

    The RTL-SDR is a USB dongle and there are several versions depending
    on the tuner on board.

    (DAB radio is 174 MHz to 230 NHz)

    The Welle.io software is here:

    https://www.welle.io/

    https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/RTL-SDR

    Be warned, the RTL SDR and associated software is a real tinkerers
    paradise and and to get the best out of, don't be surprised if you end
    up using Linux.....

    https://www.rtl-sdr.com/

    https://radio-hobbyist.com/rtl-sdr-install-config/

    Thanks again :-)

    Will look in detail tomorrow.

    Some discoveries today:

    My Yamaha AV receiver does WiFi and the reception of Mellow Magic is excellent. One more test tomorrow - a different Ethernet cable before I
    make a final decision.

    Going back to your input re codecs I have set up JellyFin, Universal
    Media Player and Plex  and tested them today by streaming to my Roku.
    The picture quality for JellyFin and Universal Media Server is
    noticeably better than Plex which, presumably, reflects the codecs they
    use?




    Oh and this one:

    https://www.sonifex.co.uk/radiocards/pc-dab1-4.shtml

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to utad4g$cjuh$2@dont-email.me on Thu Mar 21 09:43:46 2024
    On 18/03/2024 in message <utad4g$cjuh$2@dont-email.me> SH wrote:

    Oh and this one:

    https://www.sonifex.co.uk/radiocards/pc-dab1-4.shtml

    I don't have an aerial so was hoping for something like that which would
    stream Internet radio.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Are you confused about gender?
    Try milking a bull, you'll learn real quick.

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