• Windows Without Drive Letters

    From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 28 08:23:42 2024
    During the course of my post about a NAS/attached storage I said I had
    managed to maintain the drive letters on my external drive.

    I could scrap drive letters and just use URLs in Win 10 apparently by
    mounting each drive in an NTFS directory.

    I know Linux and Mac OS does that anyway. Anybody actually used it in
    Windows? Any pros/cons? Would it work with drives on my attached storage?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Feb 28 13:30:30 2024
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    During the course of my post about a NAS/attached storage I said I had managed to maintain the drive letters on my external drive.

    I could scrap drive letters and just use URLs

    you might mean UNC paths to your NAS?

    in Win 10 apparently by
    mounting each drive in an NTFS directory.

    That's been "a thing" since NT4, and probably NT3.5x as well
    I've used it without any problems, might confuse some people when a
    directory, rather than a drive gives errors about having no free space.

    I know Linux and Mac OS does that anyway. Anybody actually used it in Windows? Any pros/cons? Would it work with drives on my attached storage?

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 28 15:16:38 2024
    On 28/02/2024 in message <l48qrlFtn8nU3@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
    wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    During the course of my post about a NAS/attached storage I said I had >>managed to maintain the drive letters on my external drive.

    I could scrap drive letters and just use URLs

    you might mean UNC paths to your NAS?

    Indeed, that might explain why Google wasn't really my friend!


    in Win 10 apparently by mounting each drive in an NTFS directory.

    That's been "a thing" since NT4, and probably NT3.5x as well
    I've used it without any problems, might confuse some people when a >directory, rather than a drive gives errors about having no free space.

    OK, thanks :-}

    I'll have a go on a spare machine and see how it feels.

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    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Feb 28 19:48:32 2024
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    During the course of my post about a NAS/attached storage I said I had managed to maintain the drive letters on my external drive.

    I could scrap drive letters and just use URLs in Win 10 apparently by mounting each drive in an NTFS directory.

    I know Linux and Mac OS does that anyway. Anybody actually used it in Windows? Any pros/cons? Would it work with drives on my attached storage?

    I believe some Windows APIs don't work with UNC paths, so some apps don't accept them.

    Theo

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  • From Daniel James@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Feb 28 23:28:18 2024
    On 28/02/2024 19:48, Theo wrote:
    I believe some Windows APIs don't work with UNC paths, so some apps don't accept them.

    There are certainly programs that aren't aware of UNC paths, and so
    reject perfectly valid names. Whether that's the programs trying to do
    strict checking of pathnames and getting it wrong or failure of the APIs
    I'm not sure.

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    Daniel.

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 12:39:51 2024
    In article <urofgf$4q4s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel James wrote...

    On 28/02/2024 19:48, Theo wrote:
    I believe some Windows APIs don't work with UNC paths, so some apps don't accept them.

    There are certainly programs that aren't aware of UNC paths, and so
    reject perfectly valid names. Whether that's the programs trying to do
    strict checking of pathnames and getting it wrong or failure of the APIs
    I'm not sure.

    You may be able to get round this by generating a 'virtual' drive letter using the SUBST command-line operation.

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    Phil, London

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 13:30:55 2024
    On 28 Feb 2024 at 08:23:42 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:


    During the course of my post about a NAS/attached storage I said I had managed to maintain the drive letters on my external drive.

    I could scrap drive letters and just use URLs in Win 10 apparently by mounting each drive in an NTFS directory.

    I know Linux and Mac OS does that anyway. Anybody actually used it in Windows? Any pros/cons? Would it work with drives on my attached storage?

    Seems to me that the better idea would be to put the NAS/DAS drives into
    some sort of redundant array where they appear as one volume to the
    OS...

    Cheers - Jaimie
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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Theo on Thu Feb 29 19:08:48 2024
    On 28/02/2024 19:48, Theo wrote:
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    During the course of my post about a NAS/attached storage I said I had
    managed to maintain the drive letters on my external drive.

    I could scrap drive letters and just use URLs in Win 10 apparently by
    mounting each drive in an NTFS directory.

    I know Linux and Mac OS does that anyway. Anybody actually used it in
    Windows? Any pros/cons? Would it work with drives on my attached storage?

    I believe some Windows APIs don't work with UNC paths, so some apps don't accept them.

    Theo



    yes you are correct but you can map a UNC to a drive letter....

    Be aware that if you click on the "reconnect at Logon" option, and you
    reboot with the external drive disconnected, Windows takes a longer time
    to start up and also windows explorer takes longer to load as its trying desperately to reconnect to a now disconnected external drive!

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Thu Feb 29 19:09:41 2024
    On 29/02/2024 12:39, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    In article <urofgf$4q4s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel James wrote...

    On 28/02/2024 19:48, Theo wrote:
    I believe some Windows APIs don't work with UNC paths, so some apps don't >>> accept them.

    There are certainly programs that aren't aware of UNC paths, and so
    reject perfectly valid names. Whether that's the programs trying to do
    strict checking of pathnames and getting it wrong or failure of the APIs
    I'm not sure.

    You may be able to get round this by generating a 'virtual' drive letter using
    the SUBST command-line operation.



    SUBST? thats a MS DOS command surely... thats certainly a blast from the past....

    Didn't think it still existed in Windows 11?

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Vandenbergh on Thu Feb 29 22:37:19 2024
    On 29/02/2024 in message <l4bf8fFbo7rU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie
    Vandenbergh wrote:

    On 28 Feb 2024 at 08:23:42 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:


    During the course of my post about a NAS/attached storage I said I had >>managed to maintain the drive letters on my external drive.

    I could scrap drive letters and just use URLs in Win 10 apparently by >>mounting each drive in an NTFS directory.

    I know Linux and Mac OS does that anyway. Anybody actually used it in >>Windows? Any pros/cons? Would it work with drives on my attached storage?

    Seems to me that the better idea would be to put the NAS/DAS drives into
    some sort of redundant array where they appear as one volume to the
    OS...

    Cheers - Jaimie

    I don't want to close the circle so soon! I took a NAS out of service to
    do this because it was impossible to tell what might be lost if the wrong drive(s) went down.

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@21:1/5 to Daniel James on Fri Mar 1 07:42:35 2024
    Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> writes:
    On 28/02/2024 19:48, Theo wrote:
    I believe some Windows APIs don't work with UNC paths, so some apps don't
    accept them.

    There are certainly programs that aren't aware of UNC paths, and so
    reject perfectly valid names. Whether that's the programs trying to do
    strict checking of pathnames and getting it wrong or failure of the
    APIs I'm not sure.

    I found that Lightroom[1] misbehaved in some way I can’t remember when
    using a UNC path. It was easily solved by making Z: point to the same
    place and telling Lightroom to use that. (Curiously Lightroom then
    displays the corresponding UNC path as well.)

    [1] the ancient pay-once version which is still shambling on just about
    well enough for me to use.

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