• 2.5" 1TB drive

    From Frank@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 16:11:21 2023
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be
    recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be worked quite
    hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that might be suitable?

    --
    Frank

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  • From Pancho@21:1/5 to Frank on Fri Sep 8 16:55:26 2023
    On 08/09/2023 16:11, Frank wrote:
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be
    recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be worked quite
    hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that might be suitable?


    Kingston SSD = 34 quid. They have gone down in price a lot recently.

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-A400-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B079XC5PVV>

    I don't think it is worth the effort of thinking too hard about.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Pancho on Sat Sep 9 13:13:36 2023
    Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
    On 08/09/2023 16:11, Frank wrote:
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be worked quite hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that might be suitable?


    Kingston SSD = 34 quid. They have gone down in price a lot recently.

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-A400-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B079XC5PVV>

    I don't think it is worth the effort of thinking too hard about.

    If this was CCTV I'd be concerned about write cycles, but in a DVR it's not going to be doing a whole lot of writing (unless you record live TV 24/7) so that sounds fine.

    The Kingston A400 range is budget so I wouldn't expect any fancy
    performance, but you don't need that in a DVR - the bit rate is not that
    high. Sounds like a good use for it.

    Theo

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  • From Frank@21:1/5 to Frank on Sat Sep 9 20:13:32 2023
    On 08/09/2023 16:11, Frank wrote:
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be
    recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be worked quite
    hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that might be suitable?

    Thanks, both. The recommendation of an SSD was quite a surprise as I had assumed that an SSD wouldn't stand up either short term or long term to
    the writes and reads that it would be exposed to when, possibly,
    recording up to eight programmes and playing back another concurrently.

    --
    Frank

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Frank on Sat Sep 9 20:42:19 2023
    On 09/09/2023 20:13, Frank wrote:
    On 08/09/2023 16:11, Frank wrote:
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be
    recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be worked quite
    hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that might be
    suitable?

    Thanks, both. The recommendation of an SSD was quite a surprise as I had assumed that an SSD wouldn't stand up either short term or long term to
    the writes and reads that it would be exposed to when, possibly,
    recording up to eight programmes and playing back another concurrently.


    someone else can probably answer this question....

    Doesn't a SSD need TRIM support? A DVR running on spinning rust may not
    support TRIM?

    Do DVR's do defragmenting? Defragging a SSD would shorten its life. An
    SSD aware operating system will nto defrag a SSD.

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  • From Pancho@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 21:32:45 2023
    On 9/9/23 20:42, SH wrote:
    On 09/09/2023 20:13, Frank wrote:
    On 08/09/2023 16:11, Frank wrote:
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be
    recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be worked quite >>> hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that might be
    suitable?

    Thanks, both. The recommendation of an SSD was quite a surprise as I
    had assumed that an SSD wouldn't stand up either short term or long
    term to the writes and reads that it would be exposed to when,
    possibly, recording up to eight programmes and playing back another
    concurrently.


    someone else can probably answer this question....

    Doesn't a SSD need TRIM support? A DVR running on spinning rust may not support TRIM?

    Do DVR's do defragmenting? Defragging a SSD would shorten its life. An
    SSD aware operating system will nto defrag a SSD.

    The Kingston SSD is cheap. I don't know how long it will last. The
    quoted TBW is 300TB. There are, probably, greater than 100 Films per TB,
    so 30,000 recordings.

    Other things may affect it, may reduce that. Say by a factor of 10. Is
    3,000 recordings enough, for about 30 quid?

    Of course, any of this may be wrong. But that also applies to more
    expensive kit. My experience is HDDs fail more than SSDs. HDDs fail due
    to mechanical wear and tear. I have had SDDs become problematic, but I'm
    not sure they all will. I'm not sure the Kingston will.

    So give it a try, see what happens. Defragging would only reduce SSD
    lifetime a little.

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  • From Frank@21:1/5 to Theo on Sun Sep 10 11:03:27 2023
    On 09/09/2023 13:13, Theo wrote:
    Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
    On 08/09/2023 16:11, Frank wrote:
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be
    recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be worked quite >> > hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that might be
    suitable?


    Kingston SSD = 34 quid. They have gone down in price a lot recently.

    <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-A400-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B079XC5PVV>

    I don't think it is worth the effort of thinking too hard about.

    If this was CCTV I'd be concerned about write cycles, but in a DVR it's not going to be doing a whole lot of writing (unless you record live TV 24/7) so that sounds fine.

    The Kingston A400 range is budget so I wouldn't expect any fancy
    performance, but you don't need that in a DVR - the bit rate is not that high. Sounds like a good use for it.

    Theo
    Thanks. I've bought Crucial in the past so I went for a 2TB BX500 (CT2000BX500SSD1).

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  • From Frank@21:1/5 to Pancho on Sun Sep 10 11:05:11 2023
    On 09/09/2023 21:32, Pancho wrote:
    On 9/9/23 20:42, SH wrote:
    On 09/09/2023 20:13, Frank wrote:
    On 08/09/2023 16:11, Frank wrote:
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be
    recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be worked quite >>>> hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that might be >>>> suitable?

    Thanks, both. The recommendation of an SSD was quite a surprise as I
    had assumed that an SSD wouldn't stand up either short term or long
    term to the writes and reads that it would be exposed to when,
    possibly, recording up to eight programmes and playing back another
    concurrently.


    someone else can probably answer this question....

    Doesn't a SSD need TRIM support? A DVR running on spinning rust may not
    support TRIM?

    Do DVR's do defragmenting? Defragging a SSD would shorten its life. An
    SSD aware operating system will nto defrag a SSD.

    The Kingston SSD is cheap. I don't know how long it will last. The
    quoted TBW is 300TB. There are, probably, greater than 100 Films per TB,
    so 30,000 recordings.

    Other things may affect it, may reduce that. Say by a factor of 10. Is
    3,000 recordings enough, for about 30 quid?

    Of course, any of this may be wrong. But that also applies to more
    expensive kit. My experience is HDDs fail more than SSDs. HDDs fail due
    to mechanical wear and tear. I have had SDDs become problematic, but I'm
    not sure they all will. I'm not sure the Kingston will.

    So give it a try, see what happens. Defragging would only reduce SSD
    lifetime a little.

    I've gone for a 2TB Crucial BX500 (CT2000BX500SSD1) so time will tell!

    --
    Frank

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Frank on Sun Sep 10 15:45:38 2023
    On 10/09/2023 11:05, Frank wrote:
    On 09/09/2023 21:32, Pancho wrote:
    On 9/9/23 20:42, SH wrote:
    On 09/09/2023 20:13, Frank wrote:
    On 08/09/2023 16:11, Frank wrote:
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be
    recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be worked
    quite
    hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that
    might be
    suitable?

    Thanks, both. The recommendation of an SSD was quite a surprise as I
    had assumed that an SSD wouldn't stand up either short term or long
    term to the writes and reads that it would be exposed to when,
    possibly, recording up to eight programmes and playing back another
    concurrently.


    someone else can probably answer this question....

    Doesn't a SSD need TRIM support? A DVR running on spinning rust may
    not support TRIM?

    Do DVR's do defragmenting? Defragging a SSD would shorten its life.
    An SSD aware operating system will nto defrag a SSD.

    The Kingston SSD is cheap. I don't know how long it will last. The
    quoted TBW is 300TB. There are, probably, greater than 100 Films per TB,
    so 30,000 recordings.

    Other things may affect it, may reduce that. Say by a factor of 10. Is
    3,000 recordings enough, for about 30 quid?

    Of course, any of this may be wrong. But that also applies to more
    expensive kit. My experience is HDDs fail more than SSDs. HDDs fail due
    to mechanical wear and tear. I have had SDDs become problematic, but I'm
    not sure they all will. I'm not sure the Kingston will.

    So give it a try, see what happens. Defragging would only reduce SSD
    lifetime a little.

    I've gone for a 2TB Crucial BX500 (CT2000BX500SSD1) so time will tell!


    Which recorder? Does it support 2 TB?

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  • From Frank@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 10 19:25:20 2023
    On 10/09/2023 15:45, GB wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 11:05, Frank wrote:
    On 09/09/2023 21:32, Pancho wrote:
    On 9/9/23 20:42, SH wrote:
    On 09/09/2023 20:13, Frank wrote:
    On 08/09/2023 16:11, Frank wrote:
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be >>>>>> recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be worked >>>>>> quite
    hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that
    might be
    suitable?

    Thanks, both. The recommendation of an SSD was quite a surprise as I >>>>> had assumed that an SSD wouldn't stand up either short term or long
    term to the writes and reads that it would be exposed to when,
    possibly, recording up to eight programmes and playing back another
    concurrently.


    someone else can probably answer this question....

    Doesn't a SSD need TRIM support? A DVR running on spinning rust may
    not support TRIM?

    Do DVR's do defragmenting? Defragging a SSD would shorten its life.
    An SSD aware operating system will nto defrag a SSD.

    The Kingston SSD is cheap. I don't know how long it will last. The
    quoted TBW is 300TB. There are, probably, greater than 100 Films per TB, >>> so 30,000 recordings.

    Other things may affect it, may reduce that. Say by a factor of 10. Is
    3,000 recordings enough, for about 30 quid?

    Of course, any of this may be wrong. But that also applies to more
    expensive kit. My experience is HDDs fail more than SSDs. HDDs fail due
    to mechanical wear and tear. I have had SDDs become problematic, but I'm >>> not sure they all will. I'm not sure the Kingston will.

    So give it a try, see what happens. Defragging would only reduce SSD
    lifetime a little.

    I've gone for a 2TB Crucial BX500 (CT2000BX500SSD1) so time will tell!


    Which recorder? Does it support 2 TB?


    Vu+ Duo 4K SE. It supports 2TB.

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    Frank

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Frank on Mon Sep 11 14:56:30 2023
    On 10/09/2023 19:25, Frank wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 15:45, GB wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 11:05, Frank wrote:
    On 09/09/2023 21:32, Pancho wrote:
    On 9/9/23 20:42, SH wrote:
    On 09/09/2023 20:13, Frank wrote:
    On 08/09/2023 16:11, Frank wrote:
    I need a 2.5" hard drive for a digital video recorder that will be >>>>>>> recording from a satellite receiver so, presumably, will be
    worked quite
    hard with several concurrent recordings being made.

    Anyone any thoughts on the type (NAS? CCTV?) and/or model that
    might be
    suitable?

    Thanks, both. The recommendation of an SSD was quite a surprise as >>>>>> I had assumed that an SSD wouldn't stand up either short term or
    long term to the writes and reads that it would be exposed to
    when, possibly, recording up to eight programmes and playing back
    another concurrently.


    someone else can probably answer this question....

    Doesn't a SSD need TRIM support? A DVR running on spinning rust may
    not support TRIM?

    Do DVR's do defragmenting? Defragging a SSD would shorten its life.
    An SSD aware operating system will nto defrag a SSD.

    The Kingston SSD is cheap. I don't know how long it will last. The
    quoted TBW is 300TB. There are, probably, greater than 100 Films per
    TB,
    so 30,000 recordings.

    Other things may affect it, may reduce that. Say by a factor of 10. Is >>>> 3,000 recordings enough, for about 30 quid?

    Of course, any of this may be wrong. But that also applies to more
    expensive kit. My experience is HDDs fail more than SSDs. HDDs fail due >>>> to mechanical wear and tear. I have had SDDs become problematic, but
    I'm
    not sure they all will. I'm not sure the Kingston will.

    So give it a try, see what happens. Defragging would only reduce SSD
    lifetime a little.

    I've gone for a 2TB Crucial BX500 (CT2000BX500SSD1) so time will tell!


    Which recorder? Does it support 2 TB?


    Vu+ Duo 4K SE. It supports 2TB.


    It looks like a pretty sophisticated bit of kit.

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  • From Frank@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 12:53:25 2023
    On 11/09/2023 14:56, GB wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 19:25, Frank wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 15:45, GB wrote:

    Which recorder? Does it support 2 TB?


    Vu+ Duo 4K SE. It supports 2TB.


    It looks like a pretty sophisticated bit of kit.

    It is and I'm delighted with it. But... it offers weeks of fiddling!

    --
    Frank

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Frank on Wed Sep 13 16:32:13 2023
    On 13/09/2023 12:53, Frank wrote:
    On 11/09/2023 14:56, GB wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 19:25, Frank wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 15:45, GB wrote:

    Which recorder? Does it support 2 TB?


    Vu+ Duo 4K SE. It supports 2TB.


    It looks like a pretty sophisticated bit of kit.

    It is and I'm delighted with it. But... it offers weeks of fiddling!


    I find that the chief drawback of these things is that it's possible to
    record far more programmes than we have time to watch. The disc then
    gets clogged up, however big it is.

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  • From Frank@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 18:58:57 2023
    On 13/09/2023 16:32, GB wrote:
    On 13/09/2023 12:53, Frank wrote:
    On 11/09/2023 14:56, GB wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 19:25, Frank wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 15:45, GB wrote:

    Which recorder? Does it support 2 TB?


    Vu+ Duo 4K SE. It supports 2TB.


    It looks like a pretty sophisticated bit of kit.

    It is and I'm delighted with it. But... it offers weeks of fiddling!


    I find that the chief drawback of these things is that it's possible to record far more programmes than we have time to watch. The disc then
    gets clogged up, however big it is.


    That's true but the advantage of this box over boxes like Humax and the (useless) Freesat 4K Arris box is that it will record eight concurrent programmes.

    That's not something I'm likely to do(!), and it doesn't necessarily
    lead to too many recordings to watch, but I was finding conflicts with
    the Humax with its limit of two concurrent recordings.

    The Freesat box will record four at the same time but its firmware is an inconsistent mess.

    --
    Frank

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Frank on Thu Sep 14 01:05:37 2023
    Frank wrote:

    I've bought Crucial in the past so I went for a 2TB BX500

    Which has a write endurance of 720 TBW, so assuming you record BBC1 HD
    24x7, it'll burn out in around 15 years ...

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  • From GS@21:1/5 to NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid on Tue Oct 31 17:51:02 2023
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

    On 13/09/2023 12:53, Frank wrote:
    On 11/09/2023 14:56, GB wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 19:25, Frank wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 15:45, GB wrote:

    Which recorder? Does it support 2 TB?

    Vu+ Duo 4K SE. It supports 2TB.

    It looks like a pretty sophisticated bit of kit.

    It is and I'm delighted with it. But... it offers weeks of
    fiddling!


    I find that the chief drawback of these things is that it's
    possible to
    record far more programmes than we have time to watch. The disc
    then
    gets clogged up, however big it is.

    Yes but the great thing about PVRs is they can record all those
    programmes that you feel you *ought^ to watch; the fact that you
    never actually get round to looking at the recordings is neither
    here nor there: the PVR has done your duty by watching them for you.

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