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    From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 12:42:17 2023
    I've recently upgraded to a 1 Gbps internet connection with Community Fibre (I'm getting 930 mbps down and 944 up!).

    Admin was chaotic but helpful. The only technical problem is that instead of being irritated that location-based sites like TFL and openstreetmap placing me next door, they now place me a good mile away!

    So how does that work? Do they have to record my location coordinates, or is it derived somehow?


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    Phil, London

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  • From Mike Clarke@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Fri Sep 1 13:51:58 2023
    On 01/09/2023 11:42, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    I've recently upgraded to a 1 Gbps internet connection with Community Fibre (I'm getting 930 mbps down and 944 up!).

    Admin was chaotic but helpful. The only technical problem is that instead of being irritated that location-based sites like TFL and openstreetmap placing me
    next door, they now place me a good mile away!

    So how does that work? Do they have to record my location coordinates, or is it derived somehow?

    It could be that mobile phones passing near you pick up your SSID and
    MAC address and pass the info back to Google to update their huge
    database of WiFi access point locations. https://g adgetstouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/google-wifi-location-access/

    Perhaps your new router hasn't been detected by enough devices yet for
    an accurate location and it will improve as time goes by.

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    Mike Clarke

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  • From Mike Clarke@21:1/5 to Mike Clarke on Fri Sep 1 13:55:37 2023
    On 01/09/2023 13:51, Mike Clarke wrote:

    It could be that mobile phones passing near you pick up your SSID and
    MAC address and pass the info back to Google to update their huge
    database of WiFi access point locations. https://g adgetstouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/google-wifi-location-access/

    Something went wrong with wordwrap, the URL is https://gadgetstouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/google-wifi-location-access/

    or

    https://tinyurl.com/2rwn7sdz

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    Mike Clarke

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Sat Sep 2 09:08:29 2023
    On 01/09/2023 12:42, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    I've recently upgraded to a 1 Gbps internet connection with Community Fibre (I'm getting 930 mbps down and 944 up!).

    Admin was chaotic but helpful. The only technical problem is that instead of being irritated that location-based sites like TFL and openstreetmap placing me
    next door, they now place me a good mile away!

    So how does that work? Do they have to record my location coordinates, or is it derived somehow?




    I live in Northampton.

    Used to be on Virginmedia.

    maps.google.co.uk placed me in Northampton.

    I then switched to fibre on Vodafone which runs on CityFibre's network.

    maps.google.co.uk plaes me in Leeds and has continued to do so for over
    2 years!

    Its annoying as I have to seach for "places to eat in northampton"
    instead of "Places to eat near me" :-)

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 11:45:50 2023
    In article <ucsqgp$3pt16$2@dont-email.me>, Mike Clarke wrote...

    On 01/09/2023 13:51, Mike Clarke wrote:

    It could be that mobile phones passing near you pick up your SSID and
    MAC address and pass the info back to Google to update their huge
    database of WiFi access point locations. https://g adgetstouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/google-wifi-location-access/

    Something went wrong with wordwrap, the URL is https://gadgetstouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/google-wifi-location-access/

    or

    https://tinyurl.com/2rwn7sdz

    Thanks, and Golly!

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    Phil, London

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 11:46:00 2023
    In article <ucuqht$bip7$1@dont-email.me>, SH wrote...

    On 01/09/2023 12:42, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    I've recently upgraded to a 1 Gbps internet connection with Community Fibre (I'm getting 930 mbps down and 944 up!).

    Admin was chaotic but helpful. The only technical problem is that instead of
    being irritated that location-based sites like TFL and openstreetmap placing me
    next door, they now place me a good mile away!

    So how does that work? Do they have to record my location coordinates, or is
    it derived somehow?




    I live in Northampton.

    Used to be on Virginmedia.

    maps.google.co.uk placed me in Northampton.

    I then switched to fibre on Vodafone which runs on CityFibre's network.

    maps.google.co.uk plaes me in Leeds and has continued to do so for over
    2 years!

    Its annoying as I have to seach for "places to eat in northampton"
    instead of "Places to eat near me" :-)

    Just so!

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    Phil, London

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Sun Sep 3 13:33:51 2023
    On Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:42:17 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:

    I've recently upgraded to a 1 Gbps internet connection with Community
    Fibre (I'm getting 930 mbps down and 944 up!).

    Admin was chaotic but helpful. The only technical problem is that
    instead of being irritated that location-based sites like TFL and openstreetmap placing me next door, they now place me a good mile away!

    So how does that work? Do they have to record my location coordinates,
    or is it derived somehow?

    Virgin Media always used to show me as at the nearest big town.
    About 10-11 miles away.
    I understood that was because where the private network joined the
    Internet backbone.
    Carrier grade NAT may also have played a role.

    However more recently my location is closer to home.
    I'm not sure if that is from the network learning (e.g. from mobile phones
    with GPS on the home WiFi) or some other clever trickery.

    Cheers



    Dave R

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    AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 10 x64

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Sun Sep 3 21:07:28 2023
    Philip Herlihy wrote:

    I've recently upgraded to a 1 Gbps internet connection with Community Fibre (I'm getting 930 mbps down and 944 up!).

    Admin was chaotic but helpful. The only technical problem is that instead of being irritated that location-based sites like TFL and openstreetmap placing me
    next door, they now place me a good mile away!

    So how does that work? Do they have to record my location coordinates, or is it derived somehow?

    If you have an android phone, sharing an account with any google service account (e.g. gmail) you may be giving them strong clues (but
    presumably not GPS level clues)?

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Sun Sep 3 22:43:37 2023
    On 01/09/2023 12:42, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    I've recently upgraded to a 1 Gbps internet connection with Community Fibre (I'm getting 930 mbps down and 944 up!).

    Admin was chaotic but helpful. The only technical problem is that instead of being irritated that location-based sites like TFL and openstreetmap placing me
    next door, they now place me a good mile away!

    So how does that work? Do they have to record my location coordinates, or is it derived somehow?


    Skyhook
    https://www.skyhook.com/

    Over 600 patents of the technology, they have just been bought by
    Qualcomm - and both Apple and Microsoft are their customers (and we are
    the product....)

    Google also does something similar.

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    Adrian C

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Sep 3 22:18:04 2023
    On 03/09/2023 21:07, Andy Burns wrote:
    Philip Herlihy wrote:

    I've recently upgraded to a 1 Gbps internet connection with Community
    Fibre
    (I'm getting 930 mbps down and 944 up!).

    Admin was chaotic but helpful.  The only technical problem is that
    instead of
    being irritated that location-based sites like TFL and openstreetmap
    placing me
    next door, they now place me a good mile away!

    So how does that work?  Do they have to record my location
    coordinates, or is
    it derived somehow?

    If you have an android phone, sharing an account with any google service account (e.g. gmail) you may be giving  them strong clues (but
    presumably not GPS level clues)?




    I have an android phone but with a difference. I run a VPN server at
    home in Northampton, and my android phone to all intents and purposes
    connects directly to my VPN server and is given the IP address 10.6.0.3

    All my browsing etc on the phone goes all the way back to my house and
    then exits out onto Vodafone fibre.

    So no matter where the phone is world wide, when I do searching the
    phone thinks its in Leeds as the Vodafone fibre joins the main internet
    network somewhere in Leeds despite my house being in Northampton!

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