• Re: RAID Arrays [ of what? ]

    From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid on Tue Jul 11 11:08:29 2023
    On 11 Jul 2023 at 11:56:48 BST, "Philip Herlihy" <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

    A lot of it's stuff I've captured to read/view/listen later - and I'll never live that long or have that much free time! (So if I set up a rolling project
    of 15m a day over a year I could probably junk 75% of it all...)

    Very much this; much of the stuff is old usenet binary downloading
    habits from before video streaming services, too. After the last round
    of drive updates I instituted a similar program followed by deletion if
    I'm never going to watch it again, plus recoding some larger 'keeper'
    things down to 720p h.265.

    I have more space than I did, which is satisfying.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 11 11:56:48 2023
    In article <xn0o42lmh25zx53004@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines wrote...

    I have a QNAP TS431 running 4 x 2TB as JBOD. Read somewhere that since
    that means the system is on one of the drives if that goes all is lost,
    can't so far find any confirmation.

    RAID 6 would give me 4 TB usable and 2 drive failure tolerance. 4 TB is
    fine for me. does that sound like a good plan?

    There's often talk in this group of how people manage their juggabytes of data. And I often wonder what it is? Video? Music? Photos? Documents?

    My important stuff is almost all in OneDrive, and that's under 25GB. Of which, according to Treesize:

    Pictures: 5.9 (GB)
    Audio: 5.4
    Software 5.2 (installers I've downloaded)
    Refurbishment project: 3.1
    Ebooks: 1.5
    Manuals: 0.5
    ... and it drops off rapidly from there.

    A lot of it's stuff I've captured to read/view/listen later - and I'll never live that long or have that much free time! (So if I set up a rolling project of 15m a day over a year I could probably junk 75% of it all...)

    --

    Phil, London

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 11 12:20:41 2023
    In article <MPG.3f1745cca6bb9cf2989a72@news.eternal-september.org>, Philip Herlihy wrote...

    In article <xn0o42lmh25zx53004@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines wrote...

    I have a QNAP TS431 running 4 x 2TB as JBOD. Read somewhere that since
    that means the system is on one of the drives if that goes all is lost, can't so far find any confirmation.

    RAID 6 would give me 4 TB usable and 2 drive failure tolerance. 4 TB is fine for me. does that sound like a good plan?

    There's often talk in this group of how people manage their juggabytes of data.
    And I often wonder what it is? Video? Music? Photos? Documents?

    My important stuff is almost all in OneDrive, and that's under 25GB. Of which,
    according to Treesize:

    Pictures: 5.9 (GB)
    Audio: 5.4
    Software 5.2 (installers I've downloaded)
    Refurbishment project: 3.1
    Ebooks: 1.5
    Manuals: 0.5
    ... and it drops off rapidly from there.

    A lot of it's stuff I've captured to read/view/listen later - and I'll never live that long or have that much free time! (So if I set up a rolling project
    of 15m a day over a year I could probably junk 75% of it all...)

    I've looked (afterthought) at my local disks, and there's quite a bit more there:

    Main Data Drive: 90.5 (GB), including:
    Maps (Anquet/OS): 43 (GB)
    Desktop (mostly audio & unsorted photos) 17.4 (sign of poor mental hygeine) Documents (including Outlook PST files, OneNote notebooks, web source files and more ebooks) 12.2
    Graphic Design files: 4.6

    "Archive" Drive: 2.1 TB, including:
    Windows File History 1.6 TB
    Old disk images: 265 (GB)
    The rest is all some sort of backup as well.

    A huge proportion of it all is just junk!

    --

    Phil, London

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 11 12:24:20 2023
    In article <kh4rhdFfj4kU1@mid.individual.net>, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote...

    On 11 Jul 2023 at 11:56:48 BST, "Philip Herlihy" <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

    A lot of it's stuff I've captured to read/view/listen later - and I'll never
    live that long or have that much free time! (So if I set up a rolling project
    of 15m a day over a year I could probably junk 75% of it all...)

    Very much this; much of the stuff is old usenet binary downloading
    habits from before video streaming services, too. After the last round
    of drive updates I instituted a similar program followed by deletion if
    I'm never going to watch it again, plus recoding some larger 'keeper'
    things down to 720p h.265.

    I have more space than I did, which is satisfying.

    Cheers - Jaimie

    At my age the the idea of "putting your affairs in order" comes up now and again. But I've spent a lifetime putting my affairs in disorder - there just isn't enough time left! Although with improving habits now, the rate at which it's all getting worse is slowing...

    --

    Phil, London

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 11 12:28:42 2023
    On 11/07/2023 in message <MPG.3f1745cca6bb9cf2989a72@news.eternal-september.org> Philip Herlihy
    wrote:

    In article <xn0o42lmh25zx53004@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines wrote...

    I have a QNAP TS431 running 4 x 2TB as JBOD. Read somewhere that since
    that means the system is on one of the drives if that goes all is lost, >>can't so far find any confirmation.

    RAID 6 would give me 4 TB usable and 2 drive failure tolerance. 4 TB is >>fine for me. does that sound like a good plan?

    There's often talk in this group of how people manage their juggabytes of >data.
    And I often wonder what it is? Video? Music? Photos? Documents?

    My important stuff is almost all in OneDrive, and that's under 25GB. Of >which,
    according to Treesize:

    Pictures: 5.9 (GB)
    Audio: 5.4
    Software 5.2 (installers I've downloaded)
    Refurbishment project: 3.1
    Ebooks: 1.5
    Manuals: 0.5
    ... and it drops off rapidly from there.

    A lot of it's stuff I've captured to read/view/listen later - and I'll
    never
    live that long or have that much free time! (So if I set up a rolling >project
    of 15m a day over a year I could probably junk 75% of it all...)

    Are we willy waving???

    Videos 675 GB - for streaming on home network
    Music 4.9 GB
    'Photos 3.7 GB
    ISO files 89 GB
    Source/Install files 123 GB
    Data (doc, xls accdb etc) 47 GB
    Games 11.8 GB


    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil but by those who
    watch them without doing anything. (Albert Einstein)

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Tue Jul 11 14:21:54 2023
    Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@slashdevnull.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o42lmh25zx53004@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines wrote...

    I have a QNAP TS431 running 4 x 2TB as JBOD. Read somewhere that since
    that means the system is on one of the drives if that goes all is lost, can't so far find any confirmation.

    RAID 6 would give me 4 TB usable and 2 drive failure tolerance. 4 TB is fine for me. does that sound like a good plan?

    There's often talk in this group of how people manage their juggabytes of data.
    And I often wonder what it is? Video? Music? Photos? Documents?

    I have a few principles:

    1. Be generous in what you keep. It takes less time than fine sorting
    through things.
    2. If the disc isn't full, continue with point 1)
    3. When the disc becomes full, you have choices:
    a) Buy a bigger disc. Maybe the disc is old and needs replacing anyway.
    b) Delete stuff

    Deleting stuff that is a few years old is easier because you know if it's important or not based on whether you used it in the intervening time, and
    have a better idea whether you might use it in future.

    Effectively it moves the 'curating' activity (which is the time consuming
    bit) from the front end to the back end, where it can be done more
    efficiently.

    Theo

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Tue Jul 11 14:59:57 2023
    On 11 Jul 2023 at 11:56:48 BST, Philip Herlihy wrote:

    In article <xn0o42lmh25zx53004@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines wrote...

    I have a QNAP TS431 running 4 x 2TB as JBOD. Read somewhere that since
    that means the system is on one of the drives if that goes all is lost,
    can't so far find any confirmation.

    RAID 6 would give me 4 TB usable and 2 drive failure tolerance. 4 TB is
    fine for me. does that sound like a good plan?

    There's often talk in this group of how people manage their juggabytes of data.
    And I often wonder what it is? Video? Music? Photos? Documents?



    Of the about 5TB, 3TB of video - films, TV series, music videos, 1TB music, then a few hundred GB of documents and photos.

    Only the photos and a few of the documents of any real importance and irreplaceable, making me have a harder think about backups and access now I'm not working, have a little less money, and more of an eye towards the environmental impact of it all.

    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to RJH on Tue Jul 11 15:03:01 2023
    On 11 Jul 2023 at 15:59:57 BST, RJH wrote:

    On 11 Jul 2023 at 11:56:48 BST, Philip Herlihy wrote:

    In article <xn0o42lmh25zx53004@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines wrote... >>>
    I have a QNAP TS431 running 4 x 2TB as JBOD. Read somewhere that since
    that means the system is on one of the drives if that goes all is lost,
    can't so far find any confirmation.

    RAID 6 would give me 4 TB usable and 2 drive failure tolerance. 4 TB is
    fine for me. does that sound like a good plan?

    There's often talk in this group of how people manage their juggabytes of data.
    And I often wonder what it is? Video? Music? Photos? Documents?



    Of the about 5TB, 3TB of video - films, TV series, music videos, 1TB music, then a few hundred GB of documents and photos.

    Only the photos and a few of the documents of any real importance and irreplaceable, making me have a harder think about backups and access now I'm not working, have a little less money, and more of an eye towards the environmental impact of it all.

    Meant to add - http://www.derlien.com gives a neat snapshot a file sizes and types.

    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 11 16:11:42 2023
    Meant to add - http://www.derlien.com gives a neat snapshot a file sizes and types.

    Looks like a Mac "version" inspired by WinDirStat ... does it have the
    annoying pacmen?

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk on Tue Jul 11 17:55:33 2023
    On 11 Jul 2023 at 14:21:54 BST, "Theo"
    <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@slashdevnull.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o42lmh25zx53004@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines wrote... >>>
    I have a QNAP TS431 running 4 x 2TB as JBOD. Read somewhere that since
    that means the system is on one of the drives if that goes all is lost,
    can't so far find any confirmation.

    RAID 6 would give me 4 TB usable and 2 drive failure tolerance. 4 TB is
    fine for me. does that sound like a good plan?

    There's often talk in this group of how people manage their juggabytes of data.
    And I often wonder what it is? Video? Music? Photos? Documents?

    I have a few principles:

    1. Be generous in what you keep. It takes less time than fine sorting through things.
    2. If the disc isn't full, continue with point 1)
    3. When the disc becomes full, you have choices:
    a) Buy a bigger disc. Maybe the disc is old and needs replacing anyway.
    b) Delete stuff

    Deleting stuff that is a few years old is easier because you know if it's important or not based on whether you used it in the intervening time, and have a better idea whether you might use it in future.

    Effectively it moves the 'curating' activity (which is the time consuming bit) from the front end to the back end, where it can be done more efficiently.


    I would like to subscribe to this cunning plan.

    The main trick is at 3a try and avoid buying many hundred poundsworth of
    large HDDs.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "If you can't make fun of it, it's probably not worth taking seriously"
    -- http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson494.html

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Tue Jul 11 19:24:37 2023
    On 11/07/2023 18:55, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    On 11 Jul 2023 at 14:21:54 BST, "Theo"
    <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@slashdevnull.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o42lmh25zx53004@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines wrote... >>>>
    I have a QNAP TS431 running 4 x 2TB as JBOD. Read somewhere that since >>>> that means the system is on one of the drives if that goes all is lost, >>>> can't so far find any confirmation.

    RAID 6 would give me 4 TB usable and 2 drive failure tolerance. 4 TB is >>>> fine for me. does that sound like a good plan?

    There's often talk in this group of how people manage their juggabytes of data.
    And I often wonder what it is? Video? Music? Photos? Documents?

    I have a few principles:

    1. Be generous in what you keep. It takes less time than fine sorting
    through things.
    2. If the disc isn't full, continue with point 1)
    3. When the disc becomes full, you have choices:
    a) Buy a bigger disc. Maybe the disc is old and needs replacing anyway.
    b) Delete stuff

    Deleting stuff that is a few years old is easier because you know if it's
    important or not based on whether you used it in the intervening time, and >> have a better idea whether you might use it in future.

    Effectively it moves the 'curating' activity (which is the time consuming
    bit) from the front end to the back end, where it can be done more
    efficiently.


    I would like to subscribe to this cunning plan.

    The main trick is at 3a try and avoid buying many hundred poundsworth of large HDDs.

    Cheers - Jaimie


    hence your shucking....

    I've done this myself, having picked up 4 off 1TB USB caddies from Tesco
    and pulled the HDDs out of that as they were being discontinued.

    Rinsed and repeated several years later with 4 off Seagate Central 2TB
    network drives for £40 eash as they were being discontinued.

    Tesco seem to have stopped selling IT gear and Home entertainment like
    TVs and Tesco Direct has also closed down.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 11 20:33:30 2023
    On 11/07/2023 19:24, SH wrote:
    On 11/07/2023 18:55, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    On 11 Jul 2023 at 14:21:54 BST, "Theo"
    <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@slashdevnull.invalid> wrote:
    In article <xn0o42lmh25zx53004@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
    wrote...

    I have a QNAP TS431 running 4 x 2TB as JBOD. Read somewhere that since >>>>> that means the system is on one of the drives if that goes all is
    lost,
    can't so far find any confirmation.

    RAID 6 would give me 4 TB usable and 2 drive failure tolerance. 4
    TB is
    fine for me. does that sound like a good plan?

    There's often talk in this group of how people manage their
    juggabytes of data.
    And I often wonder what it is?  Video?  Music?  Photos?  Documents? >>>
    I have a few principles:

    1. Be generous in what you keep.  It takes less time than fine sorting
    through things.
    2. If the disc isn't full, continue with point 1)
    3. When the disc becomes full, you have choices:
    a) Buy a bigger disc. Maybe the disc is old and needs replacing anyway.
    b) Delete stuff

    Deleting stuff that is a few years old is easier because you know if
    it's
    important or not based on whether you used it in the intervening
    time, and
    have a better idea whether you might use it in future.

    Effectively it moves the 'curating' activity (which is the time
    consuming
    bit) from the front end to the back end, where it can be done more
    efficiently.


    I would like to subscribe to this cunning plan.

    The main trick is at 3a try and avoid buying many hundred poundsworth of
    large HDDs.

         Cheers - Jaimie


    hence your shucking....

    I've done this myself, having picked up 4 off 1TB USB caddies from Tesco
    and pulled the HDDs out of that as they were being discontinued.

    Rinsed and repeated several years later with 4 off Seagate Central 2TB network drives for £40 eash as they were being discontinued.

    Tesco seem to have stopped selling IT gear and Home entertainment like
    TVs and Tesco Direct has also closed down.


    P.S.. I wonder if there are any USB based storage devices that use SSDs
    instead of HDDs that could be very shuckable?

    Over even NVMW M2 based USB devices? :-D

    While Shucking is a great way fo saving a few pounds, you are on your
    own regarding warranty if the HDD fails before the warranty expires...

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jul 12 01:03:01 2023
    On 11 Jul 2023 at 16:11:42 BST, Andy Burns wrote:


    Meant to add - http://www.derlien.com gives a neat snapshot a file sizes and >> types.

    Looks like a Mac "version" inspired by WinDirStat ... does it have the annoying pacmen?

    Alas no :-)
    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Jul 12 00:52:19 2023
    On 11 Jul 2023 at 14:21:54 BST, Theo wrote:

    There's often talk in this group of how people manage their juggabytes of data.
    And I often wonder what it is? Video? Music? Photos? Documents?

    I have a few principles:

    1. Be generous in what you keep. It takes less time than fine sorting through things.

    Mmmm. I think better be selective. I've accumulated so much stuff over the years and simply forgotten it's there in even the most general sense. The prospect of actually using much of it is slight. Nowadays I tend to google
    anew rather than search the data I have. Excepting work-specific topics.

    In a wider sense I think less will be known about this period of history in
    500 years' time than we know now about the Romans. The signal to noise of digital data archives must be enormous even now. In another 50 years the sum total would surely look like gibberish.

    2. If the disc isn't full, continue with point 1)
    3. When the disc becomes full, you have choices:
    a) Buy a bigger disc. Maybe the disc is old and needs replacing anyway.

    But this leads to buying more backup storage too . . .

    b) Delete stuff

    Deleting stuff that is a few years old is easier because you know if it's important or not based on whether you used it in the intervening time, and have a better idea whether you might use it in future.

    Effectively it moves the 'curating' activity (which is the time consuming bit) from the front end to the back end, where it can be done more efficiently.

    Prevention better than cure? :-)
    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 12 08:05:55 2023
    In article <u8ktg3$321oe$1@dont-email.me>, RJH wrote...

    On 11 Jul 2023 at 14:21:54 BST, Theo wrote:

    In a wider sense I think less will be known about this period of history in 500 years' time than we know now about the Romans. The signal to noise of digital data archives must be enormous even now. In another 50 years the sum total would surely look like gibberish.


    Except, of course, to the AI bots...


    --

    Phil, London

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 12 08:11:06 2023
    In article <I9j*Cx1kz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo wrote...



    I have a few principles:

    1. Be generous in what you keep. It takes less time than fine sorting through things.
    2. If the disc isn't full, continue with point 1)
    3. When the disc becomes full, you have choices:
    a) Buy a bigger disc. Maybe the disc is old and needs replacing anyway.
    b) Delete stuff

    Deleting stuff that is a few years old is easier because you know if it's important or not based on whether you used it in the intervening time, and have a better idea whether you might use it in future.

    Effectively it moves the 'curating' activity (which is the time consuming bit) from the front end to the back end, where it can be done more efficiently.

    Theo

    The other way of looking at this is that if you let things pile up with the intention of clearing it out later, you're borrowing time from the future. I'm firmly in the pay-back state now...

    --

    Phil, London

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 12 08:07:36 2023
    In article <u8jqv5$2unp6$1@dont-email.me>, RJH wrote...

    On 11 Jul 2023 at 15:59:57 BST, RJH wrote:

    Meant to add - http://www.derlien.com gives a neat snapshot a file sizes and types.

    Treesize (free) works for me on Windows: https://www.jam-software.com/treesize_free

    --

    Phil, London

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