• Network Question

    From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 4 15:15:51 2023
    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a Tenda
    Nova Mesh).

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter getting
    home from school and tapping into my WiFi?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Here we go it's getting close, now it's just who wants it most.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Jul 4 18:32:54 2023
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter
    getting home from school and tapping into my WiFi?

    DHCP lease renewing should be seamless, does your router tell you the
    up-time of the xDSL (or PPPoE/PPPoA) interface?

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Jul 4 22:49:18 2023
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a Tenda
    Nova Mesh).

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter getting home from school and tapping into my WiFi?

    Daughter getting home and microwaving a snack?

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Jul 5 13:07:26 2023
    On 04/07/2023 in message <Mhn*3tskz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> Theo wrote:

    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a Tenda
    Nova Mesh).

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter getting >>home from school and tapping into my WiFi?

    Daughter getting home and microwaving a snack?

    I'd hesitate to be rude about the young lady but it could be :-)

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 13:06:49 2023
    On 04/07/2023 in message <kgj3e6Fk75kU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
    wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter getting >>home from school and tapping into my WiFi?

    DHCP lease renewing should be seamless, does your router tell you the
    up-time of the xDSL (or PPPoE/PPPoA) interface?

    Hi Andy.

    Router uptime is over 2 days so yesterday's event didn't seem to affect
    that. I can't seem to get any stats from the Tenda Nova but it is supposed
    to do its admin at 03:00 each day.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    The first five days after the weekend are the hardest.

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  • From Robin@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Jul 5 13:50:36 2023
    On 04/07/2023 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a Tenda
    Nova Mesh).

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter
    getting home from school and tapping into my WiFi?


    Is that every day including weekends and half term?
    --
    Robin
    reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Robin on Wed Jul 5 13:49:12 2023
    On 05/07/2023 in message
    <b6b9e450-eefe-55f4-303a-7c52dfbc509d@outlook.com> Robin wrote:

    On 04/07/2023 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a Tenda
    Nova Mesh).

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter getting >>home from school and tapping into my WiFi?


    Is that every day including weekends and half term?

    I'm not sure as a 75 year old (now) single man I dare even seek that information!!!

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Indecision is the key to flexibility

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  • From Robin@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Jul 5 15:29:57 2023
    On 05/07/2023 14:49, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 05/07/2023 in message
    <b6b9e450-eefe-55f4-303a-7c52dfbc509d@outlook.com> Robin wrote:

    On 04/07/2023 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a
    Tenda Nova Mesh).

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter
    getting home from school and tapping into my WiFi?


    Is that every day including weekends and half term?

    I'm not sure as a 75 year old (now) single man I dare even seek that information!!!


    If you routinely cannot tell what day of the week it is I suggest you
    have more important things to do than worry about your wifi dropping out
    for a minute or so.

    And the dates of half terms for state schools are freely available online.

    --
    Robin
    reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Robin on Wed Jul 5 14:52:48 2023
    On 05/07/2023 in message
    <07931d46-f439-16b1-005e-0f38f029649f@outlook.com> Robin wrote:

    On 05/07/2023 14:49, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 05/07/2023 in message
    <b6b9e450-eefe-55f4-303a-7c52dfbc509d@outlook.com> Robin wrote:

    On 04/07/2023 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a Tenda >>>>Nova Mesh).

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter >>>>getting home from school and tapping into my WiFi?


    Is that every day including weekends and half term?

    I'm not sure as a 75 year old (now) single man I dare even seek that >>information!!!


    If you routinely cannot tell what day of the week it is I suggest you have >more important things to do than worry about your wifi dropping out for a >minute or so.

    And the dates of half terms for state schools are freely available online.

    Oh dear, my post obviously needed a couple of smileys as well as the exclamation marks :-(

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    There is absolutely no substitute for a genuine lack of preparation

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Daniel James on Wed Jul 5 17:14:59 2023
    On 05/07/2023 in message <u846ug$io49$1@dont-email.me> Daniel James wrote:

    On 04/07/2023 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a Tenda
    Nova Mesh).

    Is it just the WiFi or does your whole (wired) internet connection go down >too?

    If the latter, what sort of connection to the outside world do you have?
    Is it wired ADSL, Openreach fibre (to the cabinet or to the premeses), >Virgin, something else?

    Does your ISP provide any kind of line quality stats?

    It's just my WiFi connection from the laptop to the Tenda, I can't see any stats on the Tenda app.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Have you ever noticed that all the instruments searching for intelligent
    life are pointing away from Earth?

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  • From Daniel James@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Jul 5 17:49:20 2023
    On 04/07/2023 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a Tenda
    Nova Mesh).

    Is it just the WiFi or does your whole (wired) internet connection go
    down too?

    If the latter, what sort of connection to the outside world do you have?
    Is it wired ADSL, Openreach fibre (to the cabinet or to the premeses),
    Virgin, something else?

    Does your ISP provide any kind of line quality stats?

    --
    Cheers,
    Daniel.

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  • From Robin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 18:45:09 2023
    On 05/07/2023 15:52, Jeff Gainee:
    On 05/07/2023 in message
    <07931d46-f439-16b1-005e-0f38f029649f@outlook.com> Robin wrote:

    On 05/07/2023 14:49, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 05/07/2023 in message
    <b6b9e450-eefe-55f4-303a-7c52dfbc509d@outlook.com> Robin wrote:

    On 04/07/2023 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a
    Tenda Nova Mesh).

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter
    getting home from school and tapping into my WiFi?


    Is that every day including weekends and half term?

    I'm not sure as a 75 year old (now) single man I dare even seek that
    information!!!


    If you routinely cannot tell what day of the week it is I suggest you
    have more important things to do than worry about your wifi dropping
    out for a minute or so.

    And the dates of half terms for state schools are freely available
    online.

    Oh dear, my post obviously needed a couple of smileys as well as the exclamation marks :-(


    And I would have used the emoji for a duck if I knew what it was.

    My point was that there's a significant difference between it happening /literally/ every day and not.

    --
    Robin
    reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

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  • From Robin@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Jul 5 21:03:19 2023
    On 04/07/2023 16:15, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Every day at 16:10 my WiFi drops out for a minute or so (I use a Tenda
    Nova Mesh).

    Is this the lease being renewed or is it the neighbour's daughter
    getting home from school and tapping into my WiFi?



    Try setting the time on your laptop so it is 10 minutes ahead of where
    it is now. Then losing wifi at 16:20 or 16:10 by your laptop's clock
    will point to the router etc or your laptop. Losing wifi at neither will
    be different.
    --
    Robin
    reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

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  • From Abandoned Trolley@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Fri May 31 11:10:39 2024
    On 31/05/2024 11:06, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    A Microserver I bought recently had a 4 bay NIC installed, I assumed
    that it was because the BIOS needed updating and the built in NIC didn't
    work (which I have now fixed).

    It may just have been in the spares box but how would you use 4 x NIC connections in a small Microserver?



    Plenty of workstations can be configured to use more than one NIC - even Windows makes allowance for "non server" machines to be used as routers.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 10:06:41 2024
    A Microserver I bought recently had a 4 bay NIC installed, I assumed that
    it was because the BIOS needed updating and the built in NIC didn't work
    (which I have now fixed).

    It may just have been in the spares box but how would you use 4 x NIC connections in a small Microserver?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Every day is a good day for chicken, unless you're a chicken.

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 10:30:41 2024
    On 31 May 2024 at 11:06:41 BST, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:


    A Microserver I bought recently had a 4 bay NIC installed, I assumed that
    it was because the BIOS needed updating and the built in NIC didn't work (which I have now fixed).

    It may just have been in the spares box but how would you use 4 x NIC connections in a small Microserver?

    You'd gang them up to get 4gigE (except you actually get four max 1gigE parallel streams to different clients, not one fast stream, and it may
    be limited/impossible without a smart network switch too). It's fairly pointless in a domestic environment, particularly with a microserver
    that can (by my benchmarking) only push about 2gigE max from four
    spinning disks anyway. The same four disks can saturate 10gigE in my
    actual NAS (a Dell R520).

    Failover in case of port/cable failure is configurable too; again pretty pointless at home.

    You're more likely to have an issue with the ganging/failover config
    causing issues than have a real failure if you just use one port :)

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    The truth may be out there, but the lies are inside your head.
    -- Terry Pratchett

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Fri May 31 12:49:48 2024
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    how would you use 4 x NIC connections in a small Microserver?

    Assuming that connecting to four individual networks has little use in a domestic setting, you could team them together to make something
    'similar' to a 4Gbe NIC.

    When I say similar, that means you'd need a suitable driver, a switch
    capable of LACP, and you could only achieve speeds exceeding 1 Gbps if
    you had multiple devices doing transfers at the same time ...

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 14:22:51 2024
    On 31.05.2024 um 10:06 Uhr Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It may just have been in the spares box but how would you use 4 x NIC connections in a small Microserver?

    Maybe it was used as a router.
    Or link-aggregation has been used to provide redundancy or more
    bandwidth.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1717142801muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Fri May 31 14:42:52 2024
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    A Microserver I bought recently had a 4 bay NIC installed, I assumed that
    it was because the BIOS needed updating and the built in NIC didn't work (which I have now fixed).

    It may just have been in the spares box but how would you use 4 x NIC connections in a small Microserver?

    One of mine used to have such a card - I used it as a router, so I needed an additional port for the LAN side. When doing so it wasn't too much extra to get a quad-port NIC and use the others as additional ports. I put each port
    on a different network so I could apply different traffic rules.

    Theo

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Fri May 31 20:00:27 2024
    On 31/05/2024 11:06, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    A Microserver I bought recently had a 4 bay NIC installed, I assumed
    that it was because the BIOS needed updating and the built in NIC didn't
    work (which I have now fixed).

    It may just have been in the spares box but how would you use 4 x NIC connections in a small Microserver?



    or it was used with Smoothwall or IPcop
    you needed 4 NICs, one for WAN, one for LAN, one for DMZ and one for WiFi

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sat Jun 1 12:25:16 2024
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 10:06:41 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    A Microserver I bought recently had a 4 bay NIC installed, I assumed
    that it was because the BIOS needed updating and the built in NIC didn't
    work (which I have now fixed).

    It may just have been in the spares box but how would you use 4 x NIC connections in a small Microserver?

    Back when I was still a callow youth, NAS had multiple Ethernet ports to
    allow load sharing.

    As others have said, not really needed now unless you have really unusual requirements (and possibly something aware of load sharing to front it).

    Cheers



    Dave R



    --
    AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 10 x64

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Gaines on Sat Jun 1 13:40:48 2024
    On 31/05/2024 in message <xn0omh1oy5rf579007@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:


    A Microserver I bought recently had a 4 bay NIC installed, I assumed that
    it was because the BIOS needed updating and the built in NIC didn't work >(which I have now fixed).

    It may just have been in the spares box but how would you use 4 x NIC >connections in a small Microserver?

    Many thanks for all the replies :-)

    All way beyond me, the speed of my brain is the limiting factor in my
    computer use nowadays!

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Are you confused about gender?
    Try milking a bull, you'll learn real quick.

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  • From Bernard Peek@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sun Jun 2 15:43:14 2024
    On 2024-05-31, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    A Microserver I bought recently had a 4 bay NIC installed, I assumed that
    it was because the BIOS needed updating and the built in NIC didn't work (which I have now fixed).

    It may just have been in the spares box but how would you use 4 x NIC connections in a small Microserver?

    I've got two microservers fitted with 2.5Gb network cards with a patch-cable link between them. One has a DHCP server for a separate subnet that's not visible from the Internet. I did consider a 4 port card to set up a separate SAN but one port is all I need for now. With a 4 port card you could create subnets for your NAS boxes that can't see the Internet or each other.


    --
    Bernard Peek
    bap@shrdlu.com
    Wigan

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