• Re: Leaving Virgin Media

    From Dan@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 22 13:37:04 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:52:01 +0100, Oliver <ofspam@blackyonder.co.uk>
    wrote:

    My VM services are due to end on 27th April. I have been on the phone
    and then WhatsApp trying to cancel my contract (which I can do because
    of the price rise) and to ensure that my landline number will be ported
    to my new providers line. The whole process must have taken well over
    three hours. Even just looking back over the WhatsApp exchanges
    illustrates much of what is wrong with VM.
    At the last minute they offered me all my existing services for £61 >(currently £66 including a £10 discount). I just ignored the offer.
    At one point I looked up the Forum for information on cancelling
    contracts - the experiences reported mirrored my own almost precisely.


    Good afternoon,

    my VM contract runs out april 2024.
    If I ring them and say I am leaving within the 30 days of the price
    increase will I be charged for the remaining contract?

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  • From Oliver@21:1/5 to Dan on Sat Apr 22 16:13:50 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On 22/04/2023 13:37, Dan wrote:
    my VM contract runs out april 2024.
    If I ring them and say I am leaving within the 30 days of the price
    increase will I be charged for the remaining contract?

    No, but you have to pay for 30 days from the date you give notice. When
    you contact them, get names of people you speak with and get as much as possible in writing. The advantage of contacting them via
    Twitter/WhatsApp is that you have communications in writing.
    --
    Oliver

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  • From Dan@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 22 17:58:20 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 16:13:50 +0100, Oliver <ofspam@blackyonder.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 22/04/2023 13:37, Dan wrote:
    my VM contract runs out april 2024.
    If I ring them and say I am leaving within the 30 days of the price
    increase will I be charged for the remaining contract?

    No, but you have to pay for 30 days from the date you give notice. When
    you contact them, get names of people you speak with and get as much as >possible in writing. The advantage of contacting them via
    Twitter/WhatsApp is that you have communications in writing.


    Thank you so very much. VM is getting too expensive and the
    alt nets are doing good deals at the moment.

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  • From Raj Kundra@21:1/5 to Dan on Sat Apr 22 21:51:50 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On 22/04/2023 13:37, Dan wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:52:01 +0100, Oliver <ofspam@blackyonder.co.uk>
    wrote:

    My VM services are due to end on 27th April. I have been on the phone
    and then WhatsApp trying to cancel my contract (which I can do because
    of the price rise) and to ensure that my landline number will be ported
    to my new providers line. The whole process must have taken well over
    three hours. Even just looking back over the WhatsApp exchanges
    illustrates much of what is wrong with VM.
    At the last minute they offered me all my existing services for £61
    (currently £66 including a £10 discount). I just ignored the offer.
    At one point I looked up the Forum for information on cancelling
    contracts - the experiences reported mirrored my own almost precisely.


    Good afternoon,

    my VM contract runs out april 2024.
    If I ring them and say I am leaving within the 30 days of the price
    increase will I be charged for the remaining contract?
    You are in contract and they will charge you for rest of contract and by
    law you are obliged to pay.
    Some Providers will offer to cover up to £100 or £150 of contract left
    and you will need to pay rest.
    It Happened when I moved from Talk Talk to Sky.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Raj Kundra on Sun Apr 23 04:11:55 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    Raj Kundra <raj@kundracomputers.co.uk> wrote:
    On 22/04/2023 13:37, Dan wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:52:01 +0100, Oliver <ofspam@blackyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    my VM contract runs out april 2024.
    If I ring them and say I am leaving within the 30 days of the price increase will I be charged for the remaining contract?
    You are in contract and they will charge you for rest of contract and by
    law you are obliged to pay.
    Some Providers will offer to cover up to £100 or £150 of contract left
    and you will need to pay rest.
    It Happened when I moved from Talk Talk to Sky.

    It depends on the specific contract, and whether the price rise was baked
    in. For example BT (and perhaps Talktalk?) don't offer fixed price
    contracts, a price rise of up to CPI+3.9% every year is included. You can't get out of that because it's in the terms. However when I was on Virgin broadband there was no price rise baked in, so any time there was an
    increase I was free to either accept it and continue, or leave with no
    penalty by notifying them within 30 days.

    Maybe they have started baking in rises, I don't know - but some are on very old contracts that might predate them. Worth checking your specific
    wording.

    Theo

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  • From Dan@21:1/5 to theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk on Sun Apr 23 11:33:11 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On 23 Apr 2023 04:11:55 +0100 (BST), Theo
    <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    Raj Kundra <raj@kundracomputers.co.uk> wrote:
    On 22/04/2023 13:37, Dan wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:52:01 +0100, Oliver <ofspam@blackyonder.co.uk>
    wrote:

    my VM contract runs out april 2024.
    If I ring them and say I am leaving within the 30 days of the price
    increase will I be charged for the remaining contract?
    You are in contract and they will charge you for rest of contract and by
    law you are obliged to pay.
    Some Providers will offer to cover up to £100 or £150 of contract left
    and you will need to pay rest.
    It Happened when I moved from Talk Talk to Sky.

    It depends on the specific contract, and whether the price rise was baked
    in. For example BT (and perhaps Talktalk?) don't offer fixed price >contracts, a price rise of up to CPI+3.9% every year is included. You can't >get out of that because it's in the terms. However when I was on Virgin >broadband there was no price rise baked in, so any time there was an
    increase I was free to either accept it and continue, or leave with no >penalty by notifying them within 30 days.

    Maybe they have started baking in rises, I don't know - but some are on very >old contracts that might predate them. Worth checking your specific
    wording.

    Theo


    I see, but the contract can be pulled out of 30 day after
    notification?

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  • From Indy Jess John@21:1/5 to Raj Kundra on Sun Apr 23 21:40:07 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On 22/04/2023 21:51, Raj Kundra wrote:
    On 22/04/2023 13:37, Dan wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:52:01 +0100, Oliver <ofspam@blackyonder.co.uk>
    wrote:

    My VM services are due to end on 27th April. I have been on the phone
    and then WhatsApp trying to cancel my contract (which I can do because
    of the price rise) and to ensure that my landline number will be ported
    to my new providers line. The whole process must have taken well over
    three hours. Even just looking back over the WhatsApp exchanges
    illustrates much of what is wrong with VM.
    At the last minute they offered me all my existing services for £61
    (currently £66 including a £10 discount). I just ignored the offer.
    At one point I looked up the Forum for information on cancelling
    contracts - the experiences reported mirrored my own almost precisely.


    Good afternoon,

    my VM contract runs out april 2024.
    If I ring them and say I am leaving within the 30 days of the price
    increase will I be charged for the remaining contract?
    You are in contract and they will charge you for rest of contract and by
    law you are obliged to pay.
    Some Providers will offer to cover up to £100 or £150 of contract left
    and you will need to pay rest.
    It Happened when I moved from Talk Talk to Sky.

    I had a communication from VM in January. Included in it was:
    From April 2024, we are changing our approach so any price rise to your package is always made at the same time every year, and it’ll be linked
    to the Retail Price Index (RPI) rate of inflation plus an additional
    3.9%, so the amount of any increase will be clearer, sooner.
    and
    The amount the monthly price will increase will be RPI rate of inflation
    plus an additional 3.9%. This increase will apply to the monthly
    subscription price you're paying at the time and also (if applicable) to
    the monthly price payable after subsequent expiry of any applicable
    offer or discount.
    and
    These changes to your terms and conditions will come into effect from
    1st May 2023, even though the first price rise they relate to won't be
    until April 2024.
    and
    If you're not happy with any of the changes announced in this email,
    including those to our out of home WiFi hotspots and pricing terms and conditions, you can change or cancel your package, any time before 6th
    March 2023, without paying any cancellation fees.

    So you could have cancelled before March without cancellation fees, but
    after that date you are liable for cancellation charges. Sorry.

    Jim

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  • From Dan@21:1/5 to bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com on Mon Apr 24 06:29:54 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 21:40:07 +0100, Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:

    On 22/04/2023 21:51, Raj Kundra wrote:
    On 22/04/2023 13:37, Dan wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:52:01 +0100, Oliver <ofspam@blackyonder.co.uk>
    wrote:

    My VM services are due to end on 27th April. I have been on the phone
    and then WhatsApp trying to cancel my contract (which I can do because >>>> of the price rise) and to ensure that my landline number will be ported >>>> to my new providers line. The whole process must have taken well over
    three hours. Even just looking back over the WhatsApp exchanges
    illustrates much of what is wrong with VM.
    At the last minute they offered me all my existing services for £61
    (currently £66 including a £10 discount). I just ignored the offer.
    At one point I looked up the Forum for information on cancelling
    contracts - the experiences reported mirrored my own almost precisely.


    Good afternoon,

    my VM contract runs out april 2024.
    If I ring them and say I am leaving within the 30 days of the price
    increase will I be charged for the remaining contract?
    You are in contract and they will charge you for rest of contract and by
    law you are obliged to pay.
    Some Providers will offer to cover up to £100 or £150 of contract left
    and you will need to pay rest.
    It Happened when I moved from Talk Talk to Sky.

    I had a communication from VM in January. Included in it was:
    From April 2024, we are changing our approach so any price rise to your
    package is always made at the same time every year, and it’ll be linked
    to the Retail Price Index (RPI) rate of inflation plus an additional
    3.9%, so the amount of any increase will be clearer, sooner.
    and
    The amount the monthly price will increase will be RPI rate of inflation
    plus an additional 3.9%. This increase will apply to the monthly
    subscription price you're paying at the time and also (if applicable) to
    the monthly price payable after subsequent expiry of any applicable
    offer or discount.
    and
    These changes to your terms and conditions will come into effect from
    1st May 2023, even though the first price rise they relate to won't be
    until April 2024.
    and
    If you're not happy with any of the changes announced in this email, >including those to our out of home WiFi hotspots and pricing terms and >conditions, you can change or cancel your package, any time before 6th
    March 2023, without paying any cancellation fees.

    So you could have cancelled before March without cancellation fees, but
    after that date you are liable for cancellation charges. Sorry.

    Jim


    Cheers Jim,

    I have not gotten any emails or letters so far from VM.

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  • From DaveG@21:1/5 to Indy Jess John on Tue Apr 25 19:32:02 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 21:40:07 +0100, Indy Jess John wrote:

    These changes to your terms and conditions will come into effect from 1st
    May 2023,

    So you could have cancelled before March without cancellation fees, but
    after that date you are liable for cancellation charges. Sorry.

    Sounds like there is still and "out" since the new terms don't come into
    effect until 1st May.

    Another "out" might be if the person is past the expiry date of their
    current contract.

    IIRC, that's currently 18 months from start of contract or customer
    initiated change of service, which constitutes the start of a "new"
    contract

    --
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    Don't feed the trolls. You might catch something nasty.

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  • From Dan@21:1/5 to DaveG on Sun Apr 30 11:21:52 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On Tue, 25 Apr 2023 19:32:02 GMT, DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 21:40:07 +0100, Indy Jess John wrote:

    These changes to your terms and conditions will come into effect from 1st
    May 2023,

    So you could have cancelled before March without cancellation fees, but
    after that date you are liable for cancellation charges. Sorry.

    Sounds like there is still and "out" since the new terms don't come into >effect until 1st May.

    Another "out" might be if the person is past the expiry date of their
    current contract.

    IIRC, that's currently 18 months from start of contract or customer
    initiated change of service, which constitutes the start of a "new"
    contract

    I see. But I rang them and said VM broke its own contract by not
    informing me and giving a 30 day period to decide if I would stay or
    go.
    They then offered me the same price until my contract finishes
    15-3-2024 with no auto renewal of contract.

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  • From DaveG@21:1/5 to Dan on Sun Apr 30 11:59:47 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 11:21:52 +0100, Dan wrote:

    I see. But I rang them and said VM broke its own contract by not informing
    me and giving a 30 day period to decide if I would stay or go.
    They then offered me the same price until my contract finishes 15-3-2024
    with no auto renewal of contract.

    That sounds like a decent compromise. Are you staying 'till then?
    It'll probably be a helluva price hike from your current pre-rise
    cost to the next post-rise cost due just after finish date. Or
    are there other reasons you have that would lead to cencelling
    anyway?

    --
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    Don't feed the trolls. You might catch something nasty.

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  • From Dan@21:1/5 to DaveG on Mon May 1 10:10:11 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 11:59:47 GMT, DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 11:21:52 +0100, Dan wrote:

    I see. But I rang them and said VM broke its own contract by not informing >> me and giving a 30 day period to decide if I would stay or go.
    They then offered me the same price until my contract finishes 15-3-2024
    with no auto renewal of contract.

    That sounds like a decent compromise. Are you staying 'till then?
    It'll probably be a helluva price hike from your current pre-rise
    cost to the next post-rise cost due just after finish date. Or
    are there other reasons you have that would lead to cencelling
    anyway?


    I got the same deal as I am paying now. I am staying.
    But with the same expiry date and a few weeks
    before that I will ring up VM and tell them I am leaving
    once they announce another large price increase.

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  • From Oliver@21:1/5 to Dan on Mon May 1 10:27:17 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On 01/05/2023 10:10, Dan wrote:
    On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 11:59:47 GMT, DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 11:21:52 +0100, Dan wrote:

    I see. But I rang them and said VM broke its own contract by not informing >>> me and giving a 30 day period to decide if I would stay or go.
    They then offered me the same price until my contract finishes 15-3-2024 >>> with no auto renewal of contract.

    That sounds like a decent compromise. Are you staying 'till then?
    It'll probably be a helluva price hike from your current pre-rise
    cost to the next post-rise cost due just after finish date. Or
    are there other reasons you have that would lead to cencelling
    anyway?


    I got the same deal as I am paying now. I am staying.
    But with the same expiry date and a few weeks
    before that I will ring up VM and tell them I am leaving
    once they announce another large price increase.

    They've already announced it. They have said that from next year onwards
    their prices will increase by inflation plus 3.9% every year. Also, this
    was the last year that customers could leave before the end of their
    contract without penalty. I'm pleased to hear they have given you an
    acceptable deal but I had had enough of them. I don't like they way they
    do business and their customer service is dreadful. I have moved to Zen
    - not the cheapest but they are friendly and helpful and I am saving
    over £40 per month. And no price increases for the length of the
    contract (18 months).

    --
    Oliver

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  • From Mike Scott@21:1/5 to Oliver on Mon May 1 16:13:54 2023
    XPost: free.virginmedia.discussion.general

    On 01/05/2023 10:27, Oliver wrote:
    ....
    do business and their customer service is dreadful. I have moved to Zen
    - not the cheapest but they are friendly and helpful and I am saving
    over £40 per month. And no price increases for the length of the
    contract (18 months).


    My Zen contract says no increases, period. So as long as I don't change
    things, the price stays the same. They found they couldn't afford to
    keep offering that to new customers: I'm not surprised.

    I do like Zen. Very little goes wrong, and if it does the front-line
    support are very knowledgable and get things fixed quickly. There's also
    a fixed IP (/huge/ plus mark), and the option of enabling IPv6.

    --
    Mike Scott
    Harlow, England

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