https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg

Received one of these 13A shockers from a computer recycler, with an
otherwise tidy PC that had one time been through a PAT test.

Safety at both ends of the spectrum...

--
Adrian C

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In article <k97l6iFtmkrU1@mid.individual.net>, Adrian Caspersz wrote...

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg

Received one of these 13A shockers from a computer recycler, with an otherwise tidy PC that had one time been through a PAT test.

Safety at both ends of the spectrum...

Er,... Whats wrong with that?

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Phil, London

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On 2023-04-06, Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

In article <k97l6iFtmkrU1@mid.individual.net>, Adrian Caspersz wrote...

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg

Er,... Whats wrong with that?

It doesn't meet the spec for the standard, and is potentially lethally hazardous.

Cheers,
Tom

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Philip Herlihy wrote:

Adrian Caspersz wrote...

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg

Er,... Whats wrong with that?

No fuse

Earth pin must be all "brass" or all plastic*

All the pins are too close to edge

[*] when technically it's an ISOD "insulated shutter opening device",
and only allowed on double-insulated devices.

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On 4/6/23 13:33, Andy Burns wrote:

Philip Herlihy wrote:

Adrian Caspersz wrote...

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg >>

Er,...  Whats wrong with that?

No fuse

Earth pin must be all "brass" or all plastic*

If the device doesn't need earth, class 2 appliance, and thus could have
a plastic earth pin, what is the harm of having a half shrouded one.

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On 6 Apr 2023 at 22:10:57 BST, "Pancho" <Pancho.Jones@Proton.Me> wrote:

On 4/6/23 13:33, Andy Burns wrote:

Philip Herlihy wrote:

Adrian Caspersz wrote...

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg >>>

Er,... Whats wrong with that?

No fuse

Earth pin must be all "brass" or all plastic*

If the device doesn't need earth, class 2 appliance, and thus could have
a plastic earth pin, what is the harm of having a half shrouded one.

Primarily, that you now know the builder of your cable - and possible
the whole machine - has no clue about following standards.

This particular instance may be fine. Or it may be wired with
earth-nuetral swapped. Or worse. Who knows? Clearly not whoever supplied
that plug.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.
-- J R R Tolkien

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On 06/04/2023 22:10, Pancho wrote:

On 4/6/23 13:33, Andy Burns wrote:

Philip Herlihy wrote:

Adrian Caspersz wrote...

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg >>>>

Er,...  Whats wrong with that?

No fuse

Earth pin must be all "brass" or all plastic*

If the device doesn't need earth, class 2 appliance, and thus could have
a plastic earth pin, what is the harm of having a half shrouded one.

The earth pin is longer to ensure earth makes first and breaks last -
and to make sure that happens the earth contact in the socket is located
at the entry to the socket, not the back, and the earth pin (when not functioning as a "shutter operating device") is solid metal for the full length.

Sleeve the earth pin on a BS1363 plug and you end up with no earth
connection when the plug is fully inserted and the live+neutral contact
has been made.

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Pancho wrote:

On 4/6/23 13:33, Andy Burns wrote:

Philip Herlihy wrote:

Adrian Caspersz wrote...

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg >>>

Er,...  Whats wrong with that?

No fuse

Earth pin must be all "brass" or all plastic*

If the device doesn't need earth, class 2 appliance, and thus could have
a plastic earth pin, what is the harm of having a half shrouded one.

You don't want to confuse people into thinking half-shrouded earth pins
are acceptable in some circumstances, so you forbid them.

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On 06/04/2023 11:28, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg

Received one of these 13A shockers from a computer recycler, with an otherwise tidy PC that had one time been through a PAT test.

Safety at both ends of the spectrum...

It is plug used in china, lot of sellers on E bay and from china supply
it and not aware of law.

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Raj Kundra wrote:

Adrian Caspersz wrote:

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg

It is plug used in china

I'd expect only *used* in Hong Kong?

lot of sellers on E bay and from china supply
it and not aware of law.

Yes, supply them ... for some reason I keep one in my odds'n'sods box of
mains connectors.

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In article <u0mcmu$g3q$1@freeq.furie.org.uk>, Tom Furie wrote...

On 2023-04-06, Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

In article <k97l6iFtmkrU1@mid.individual.net>, Adrian Caspersz wrote...

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg

Er,... Whats wrong with that?

It doesn't meet the spec for the standard, and is potentially lethally hazardous.

Cheers,
Tom

Thanks - learned something. I woke up meaning to have another look to see if there was a fuse! I have a couple of these - handy for squeezing into overloaded extension blocks. They tend to come with power supplies for odd bits of kit, but the "kettle" plug at the other end could be used with, um, a kettle. Which is not so good...

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Phil, London

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On 2023-04-07, Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid>
wrote:

I have a couple of these - handy for squeezing into overloaded
extension blocks.

Please, tell me you're joking...

Cheers,
Tom

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Philip Herlihy wrote:

the "kettle" plug at the other end could be used with, um, a
kettle. Which is not so good...

Have you tried it? Most "kettle" leads won't actually go into a kettle
as they've not got the notch that "hot condition" leads have, quite a
lot of beefier server and network kit uses them.

<https://leadsdirect.co.uk/shop/uk-plug-iec-c15-1m>

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In article <k9ah5sFcppsU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns wrote...

Philip Herlihy wrote:

the "kettle" plug at the other end could be used with, um, a
kettle. Which is not so good...

Have you tried it? Most "kettle" leads won't actually go into a kettle
as they've not got the notch that "hot condition" leads have, quite a
lot of beefier server and network kit uses them.

<https://leadsdirect.co.uk/shop/uk-plug-iec-c15-1m>

Studied the link, and noticed the notch for the first time. Then wandered into the kitchen for a coffee. First thing I saw was the "Kettle" connector for a mainstream brand soup-maker, with a 1Kw heater element. No notch!

I love this group...

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Phil, London

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On 9 Apr 2023 at 12:39:38 BST, "Philip Herlihy" <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

In article <k9ah5sFcppsU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns wrote...

Philip Herlihy wrote:

the "kettle" plug at the other end could be used with, um, a
kettle. Which is not so good...

Have you tried it? Most "kettle" leads won't actually go into a kettle
as they've not got the notch that "hot condition" leads have, quite a
lot of beefier server and network kit uses them.

<https://leadsdirect.co.uk/shop/uk-plug-iec-c15-1m>

Studied the link, and noticed the notch for the first time. Then wandered into
the kitchen for a coffee. First thing I saw was the "Kettle" connector for a mainstream brand soup-maker, with a 1Kw heater element. No notch!

I love this group...

The difference between IEC C15 (notch) and C13 (no notch) is that the
C15 is rated to 120C and the C13 to 70C. Both will carry up to 10 amps
at 250V at 10 amps so allow 2.5kW.

Cheers - Jaimie

--
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo
- H G Wells

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On 07/04/2023 11:42, Andy Burns wrote:

Raj Kundra wrote:

Adrian Caspersz wrote:

https://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/assets/images/Illegal_plug_2n.jpg >>

It is plug used in china

I'd expect only *used* in Hong Kong?

lot of sellers on E bay and from china supply it and not aware of law.

Yes, supply them ... for some reason I keep one in my odds'n'sods box of mains connectors.

Yes you right HK it is.

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