I have a number of base units to dispose of..

which is more profitable:

(a) sell as a working whole base unit comprising oc case, Mobo, CPU,
RAM, Graphics card, DVDrom drive, PSU and HDD/SSD

(b) break up and sell as individual parts

Answers on a postcard!

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On 31/03/2023 16:16, SH wrote:

I have a number of base units to dispose of..

which is more profitable:

(a) sell as a working whole base unit comprising oc case, Mobo, CPU,
RAM, Graphics card, DVDrom drive, PSU and HDD/SSD

(b) break up and sell as individual parts

Answers on a postcard!

For old things, I'm coming close to a theory of just splitting into two
boxes,

- One full of metalwork which is weighed in and sold as scrap metal
- One full of circuit boards sold as is, job lot on eBay.

Any further breakdown is pointless effort for not much back, unless the
items have a value that ye know can sell to make back the pain of doing so.

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On 31/03/2023 19:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 31/03/2023 16:16, SH wrote:

I have a number of base units to dispose of..

which is more profitable:

(a) sell as a working whole base unit comprising oc case, Mobo, CPU,
RAM, Graphics card, DVDrom drive, PSU and HDD/SSD

(b) break up and sell as individual parts

Answers on a postcard!

For old things, I'm coming close to a theory of just splitting into two boxes,

- One full of metalwork which is weighed in and sold as scrap metal
- One full of circuit boards sold as is, job lot on eBay.

Any further breakdown is pointless effort for not much back, unless the
items have a value that ye know can sell to make back the pain of doing so.

What do you call old?

The PCs in question are Intel CPUs on Asus mobos with 4GB DRAM and 64 bit.

The ones have for disposal are running win 7 or win 8.

Don't think it will be up to running Win 11 due to no TPM and the 4GB
ram might make it sluggish.

Its prolly good as a Linux box with a lightweight distro like Lubuntu or Xubuntu but prolly not for Ubuntu's latest distro.

They are also prolly good for home brew NAS like XigmaNAS, FreeNAS,
TrueNAS and OMV.

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On 31/03/2023 19:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 31/03/2023 16:16, SH wrote:

I have a number of base units to dispose of..

which is more profitable:

(a) sell as a working whole base unit comprising oc case, Mobo, CPU,
RAM, Graphics card, DVDrom drive, PSU and HDD/SSD

(b) break up and sell as individual parts

Answers on a postcard!

For old things, I'm coming close to a theory of just splitting into two boxes,

- One full of metalwork which is weighed in and sold as scrap metal
- One full of circuit boards sold as is, job lot on eBay.

Any further breakdown is pointless effort for not much back, unless the
items have a value that ye know can sell to make back the pain of doing so.

as for metal work, I have an account with a scrap metal dealer. he will
only buy non-ferrous metals like copper, brass, zinc, lead, stainless
steel or aluminium from me.

If he has any iron or steel come his way, he puts it outside his
premises and it magically disappears overnight :-)

Mind you he does have some serious alarms and CCTV on his premises as
the non-ferrous metals stored within are worth far more than the scrap
iron & steel that he leaves outside.

We have people who drive round in flatbed lorries who will collect scrap
iron like radiators or washing machines from teh fronts of domestic
houses etc but the price of Iron / steel is only in the order of £100
per tonne so I struggle to see how the domestic scrap colelctors can
make any money out of iron/steel given their time and vehicle running costs.

S.

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SH <i.love@spam.me> wrote:

What do you call old?

Look at sold listings on ebay. If bits are selling for less than (say) a tenner, it's not worth the hassle after fees and postage unless you are
turning over several items a day. If it takes an hour to package and post N items, and you make £2 on each one, you need at least 5 to make minimum wage. Adjust the numbers to taste, and don't forget to include the time
photographing and listing stuff. Generally packaging is PITA too, unless
you keep a lot of boxes lying around.

Although sometimes I sell stuff like that just to get rid of things as a
form of recycling (eg books - easy to package, a nice walk to the postbox as exercise, somebody else gets to read them, not generally any complaints they don't work...) and not for the money.

The PCs in question are Intel CPUs on Asus mobos with 4GB DRAM and 64 bit.

My threshold for 'junk' might be before Haswell, ie pre 2014. Although it
will vary a bit - maybe pre-Skylake (2016) for boring office boxes, perhaps more value in high end gaming or workstations.

The ones have for disposal are running win 7 or win 8.

All EOL now.

Its prolly good as a Linux box with a lightweight distro like Lubuntu or Xubuntu but prolly not for Ubuntu's latest distro.

ebay sold prices will indicate how much demand there is for systems like
that (probably not much)

They are also prolly good for home brew NAS like XigmaNAS, FreeNAS,
TrueNAS and OMV.

For those it's all about drive bays and power consumption. Some Haswell and later have ok idle power, anything earlier was awful.

Roughly for every 100W of power consumption it's costing you a quid a day to run it continously. So any hungry hardware becomes uneconomic very fast.

Theo

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On 31/03/2023 19:54, SH wrote:

We have people who drive round in flatbed lorries who will collect scrap
iron like radiators or washing machines from teh fronts of domestic
houses etc but the price of Iron / steel is only in the order of £100
per tonne so I struggle to see how the domestic scrap colelctors can
make any money out of iron/steel given their time and vehicle running
costs.

I have a similar struggle understanding the economics of collecting
newspapers



But getting back to the question from the OP ..

Depending on the availability and mix of these assorted bits, I have
found that its sometimes easier to get rid of a complete working system.

I recently sold a complete dual monitor system on eBay, and although it
was of a relatively modest spec, I made sure that it was complete and
ready to go.

Mains / VGA / DVI cables / mouse / keyboard etc all included and ready
to plug and play with OS installed.

The down side of this is that its probably best to mark it as collection
only - especially with dual monitor systems like that one.


And the "other" problem is that this approach is not going to see the
back of the 9 DVD drives which I still have piled up on the bench.


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On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 12:10:14 +0100, Abandoned_Trolley wrote:

On 31/03/2023 19:54, SH wrote:

We have people who drive round in flatbed lorries who will collect
scrap iron like radiators or washing machines from teh fronts of
domestic houses etc but the price of Iron / steel is only in the order
of £100 per tonne so I struggle to see how the domestic scrap
colelctors can make any money out of iron/steel given their time and
vehicle running costs.

I have a similar struggle understanding the economics of collecting newspapers

But getting back to the question from the OP ..

Depending on the availability and mix of these assorted bits, I have
found that its sometimes easier to get rid of a complete working system.

I recently sold a complete dual monitor system on eBay, and although it
was of a relatively modest spec, I made sure that it was complete and
ready to go.

Mains / VGA / DVI cables / mouse / keyboard etc all included and ready
to plug and play with OS installed.

The down side of this is that its probably best to mark it as collection
only - especially with dual monitor systems like that one.

And the "other" problem is that this approach is not going to see the
back of the 9 DVD drives which I still have piled up on the bench.

I have a couple of XP era boxes to go.
I was going to just take them to the tip to be recycled, but someone local
says they have contacts with vintage computer nerds who may be interested.

Cheers



Dave R

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SH <i.love@spam.me> wrote:

On 31/03/2023 19:36, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

On 31/03/2023 16:16, SH wrote:

I have a number of base units to dispose of..

which is more profitable:

(a) sell as a working whole base unit comprising oc case, Mobo, CPU,
RAM, Graphics card, DVDrom drive, PSU and HDD/SSD

(b) break up and sell as individual parts

Answers on a postcard!

For old things, I'm coming close to a theory of just splitting into two
boxes,

- One full of metalwork which is weighed in and sold as scrap metal
- One full of circuit boards sold as is, job lot on eBay.

Any further breakdown is pointless effort for not much back, unless the
items have a value that ye know can sell to make back the pain of doing so. >>

as for metal work, I have an account with a scrap metal dealer. he will
only buy non-ferrous metals like copper, brass, zinc, lead, stainless
steel or aluminium from me.

If he has any iron or steel come his way, he puts it outside his
premises and it magically disappears overnight :-)

Mind you he does have some serious alarms and CCTV on his premises as
the non-ferrous metals stored within are worth far more than the scrap
iron & steel that he leaves outside.

We have people who drive round in flatbed lorries who will collect scrap
iron like radiators or washing machines from teh fronts of domestic
houses etc but the price of Iron / steel is only in the order of £100
per tonne so I struggle to see how the domestic scrap colelctors can
make any money out of iron/steel given their time and vehicle running costs.

Never heard or nor seen anything like this other than in old stories. Must
only be a thing in very high density populations.

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Chris wrote:

SH <i.love@spam.me> wrote:

We have people who drive round in flatbed lorries who will collect scrap
iron like radiators or washing machines from teh fronts of domestic
houses etc but the price of Iron / steel is only in the order of £100
per tonne so I struggle to see how the domestic scrap colelctors can
make any money out of iron/steel given their time and vehicle running costs.

Never heard or nor seen anything like this other than in old stories. Must only be a thing in very high density populations.

We still get them, used to be several per week, now once a week or so.
A couple of days ago a cage-sided flatbed pulled up near my neighbours
who have a skip currently on their drive, didn't see anything to their
liking to nick from it and left.

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SH wrote:

I have a number of base units to dispose of..

which is more profitable:

(a) sell as a working whole base unit comprising oc case, Mobo, CPU,
RAM, Graphics card, DVDrom drive, PSU and HDD/SSD

(b) break up and sell as individual parts

Answers on a postcard!

I had a bunch of Sandy Bridge desktops that were still working. I took
them to a Men's Shed that rebuilds PCs to give to pensioners, but they
scoffed they are too old. I tried selling one on Gumtree; somebody
haggled down the price then never showed to collect it.
In the end, I removed the CPUs (all i7 3400 MHz) and sold them as a job
lot on eBay. The postage becomes an overhead for larger items like power
supply or graphics card. Then the carcasses I left on the verge at the
next council bulk rubbish collection, a scavenger took them within 3 hours.

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In article <u1sq7d$qtna$1@dont-email.me>, Woozy Song wrote...

SH wrote:

I have a number of base units to dispose of..

which is more profitable:

(a) sell as a working whole base unit comprising oc case, Mobo, CPU,
RAM, Graphics card, DVDrom drive, PSU and HDD/SSD

(b) break up and sell as individual parts

Answers on a postcard!

I had a bunch of Sandy Bridge desktops that were still working. I took
them to a Men's Shed that rebuilds PCs to give to pensioners, but they scoffed they are too old. I tried selling one on Gumtree; somebody
haggled down the price then never showed to collect it.
In the end, I removed the CPUs (all i7 3400 MHz) and sold them as a job
lot on eBay. The postage becomes an overhead for larger items like power supply or graphics card. Then the carcasses I left on the verge at the
next council bulk rubbish collection, a scavenger took them within 3 hours.

When Windows 10 reaches end-of-support late next year there are going to be an awful lot of obsolete PCs and laptops about AND an awful lot of people running insecure systems...

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Phil, London

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Am 21.04.2023 um 12:02:24 Uhr schrieb Philip Herlihy:

When Windows 10 reaches end-of-support late next year there are going
to be an awful lot of obsolete PCs and laptops about AND an awful lot
of people running insecure systems...

I hope this will give Linux another chance to rise.

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Philip Herlihy wrote:

When Windows 10 reaches end-of-support late next year

The year *after* next.

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In article <kan43mFbhgiU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns wrote...

Philip Herlihy wrote:

When Windows 10 reaches end-of-support late next year

The year *after* next.

Oops! Thanks.

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Phil, London

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On 24/04/2023 09:16, Marco Moock wrote:

I hope this will give Linux another chance to rise.

Why does it need one ? -

It was going to take over the world about 25 years ago - or was that the
Apple Mac ?




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On 24/04/2023 13:51, Jeff Gaines wrote:

It's pretty well taken over the Internet.

Definitely on the server side, but as a desktop operating system it has
not got anywhere close to knocking Microsoft off its perch



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On 24/04/2023 in message <u25tam$bfuq$2@dont-email.me> Abandoned_Trolley
wrote:

On 24/04/2023 09:16, Marco Moock wrote:

I hope this will give Linux another chance to rise.

Why does it need one ? -

It was going to take over the world about 25 years ago - or was that the >Apple Mac ?

It's pretty well taken over the Internet.

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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Here we go it's getting close, now it's just who wants it most.

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