Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the caddy
or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get the
disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
On 17/03/2023 19:00, Dave R wrote:
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
You don't mean Philips or Pozidrive?
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the
caddy or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a
circuit board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get
the disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
The usual way is a Dremel with a thin cutting disc to create a
screwdriver slot. A small (thin) diamond wheel would be the best way.
On 17/03/2023 19:00, Dave R wrote:
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
It depends on how rounded off.
File the tip off a cross head screwdriver bit so it sits further out
on the shoulders of the cross on the head of the screw.
Place the screwdriver in the rounded of head and give the end of the screwdriver a gentle tap with a hammer. This can often slightly free
up a tight screw before using any other method of removal.
Use the correct size screwdriver but place a flat piece of rubber
band between the screwdriver and the rounded off head of the screw. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xoEEevkXhSU
On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 19:51:32 +0000
Fredxx <fredxx@spam.uk> wrote:
On 17/03/2023 19:00, Dave R wrote:
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start
head screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded
off.
You don't mean Philips or Pozidrive?
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the
caddy or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a
circuit board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto
get the disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
The usual way is a Dremel with a thin cutting disc to create aI've used a tool like this which worked very well. Unfortunately it
screwdriver slot. A small (thin) diamond wheel would be the best
way.
was Japanese and at the time, not available here. It needs to be of
good quality to work well, and of course there's no way to judge that
on the Net..
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CLTYQ-Screw-Extractor-Damaged-Remover/dp/B089GX2MWD
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the caddy
or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get the
disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
Cheers
Dave R
[Oh, and this is a new install of a 2016 version of Pan because reasons.]
Any ideas welcome.
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the caddy
or the disc.
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the caddy
or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get the
disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the caddy
or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get the
disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
If this is a pan head screw as opposed to countersunk, & you have
access, a pair of water pump/gland nut pliers can often get enough grip
to get the screw moving.
On 3/17/2023 3:00 PM, Dave R wrote:
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the
caddy or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a
circuit board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get
the disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
Cheers
Dave R
[Oh, and this is a new install of a 2016 version of Pan because
reasons.]
Screw extractor ? It has a drill bit on one end, and a reverse tap
on the other end (tightens counter clockwise).
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORIA-Extractor-Damaged-Hardness-Stripped/dp/B07RZ6K8SK
The vibration will not be good for the disk drive, particularly.
You can try the reverse tap, without using the drill bit end first,
but it might not be able to get a purchase on the metal.
The instructions say to not go too quickly, when using the tap.
So it has a chance to thread itself in.
Paul
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
On 17 Mar 2023 19:00:10 GMT, Dave R <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:B007KIF73A
Any ideas welcome.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BEKO-2616020-Schraubendoktor-20-Tube/dp/
Increases friction between screwdriver and screw. That's all it does,
and it does that very well. Belongs in every bag of tricks! (Also used
in aviation under the name "Viscogrip"... yeah, expensive.)
On 3/17/2023 3:00 PM, Dave R wrote:B07RZ6K8SK
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.Screw extractor ? It has a drill bit on one end, and a reverse tap on
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the
caddy or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get the
disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
Cheers
Dave R
[Oh, and this is a new install of a 2016 version of Pan because
reasons.]
the other end (tightens counter clockwise).
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORIA-Extractor-Damaged-Hardness-Stripped/dp/
The vibration will not be good for the disk drive, particularly.
You can try the reverse tap, without using the drill bit end first,
but it might not be able to get a purchase on the metal.
The instructions say to not go too quickly, when using the tap.
So it has a chance to thread itself in.
Paul
On 17/03/2023 19:00, Dave R wrote:
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head screws >> which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the caddy
or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get the
disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
If this is a pan head screw as opposed to countersunk, & you have access, a pair of water pump/gland nut pliers can often get enough grip to get the screw moving.
On 17/03/2023 19:00, Dave R wrote:in trying a freezer as there will be little if any difference in contraction between the metals.
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head screws >> which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the caddy
or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get the
disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
Is the thread end of the screw in metal or plastic? If plastic, it might help to put the caddy into a plastic bag and then put that in the freezer to get the screw to contract slightly. It might then be easier to turn. If it's in metal there's no point
On 17/03/2023 19:00, Dave R wrote:
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
You don't mean Philips or Pozidrive?
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the
caddy or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get the
disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
The usual way is a Dremel with a thin cutting disc to create a
screwdriver slot. A small (thin) diamond wheel would be the best way.
On 3/18/2023 6:29 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:dp/B07DGTNMBK
On 17/03/2023 19:00, Dave R wrote:It could be similar to this, so the screw goes through the side of the
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the
caddy or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get
the disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
Is the thread end of the screw in metal or plastic? If plastic, it
might help to put the caddy into a plastic bag and then put that in the
freezer to get the screw to contract slightly. It might then be easier
to turn. If it's in metal there's no point in trying a freezer as there
will be little if any difference in contraction between the metals.
caddy, and right into the aluminium of the hard drive chassis. The side
of the material recesses the screw head a bit, preventing easy access to
it. Only a frontal attack to the screw head will work.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Caddy-Compatible-Apollo-StoreEasy-Servers/
There are limits on what you can do to the item in question,
like say, beating it with a hammer or using your oxy-acetylene on it :-)
The OP wants to save the hard drive. And the caddy.
Paul
On 17 Mar 2023 19:00:10 GMT Dave R <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:<snip>
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.Sometimes you can reshape a stripped screw head by peining it with a
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
small hammer or flat punch sufficient to get a driver to grip.
In uk.comp.homebuilt Dave R <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws
which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the caddy
or the disc.
For getting a stripped screw out of an iPhone,
somebody recently recommended
superglue and baking soda. You make a paste and then glue a screwdriver
bit
into it, leave it to set and then screwdriver it out. The mixture can
then
be softened using acetone.
I've not tried this myself.
Theo
On 17 Mar 2023 19:00:10 GMT
Dave R <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
Sometimes you can reshape a stripped screw head by peining it with a
small hammer or flat punch sufficient to get a driver to grip.
Otherwise cut a slot in the screw with a small abrasive wheel - if the screwdriver breaks the head, remove the side that didn't break using a
punch
or further application of the abrasive wheel.
Or you might prefer to remove the head with a drill - use a bit the
same size as the screw (3 mm?) - use high speed and feed it gently or
it is likely to snag, might break. Sometimes a left handed drill will
snag and remove the screw - I have a set but rarely use them.
With the head removed you can extract the remains of the screw with
vice grips or good pliers; failing that the drive will be fine with
only three screws in it.
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 14:58:32 -0400, Paul wrote:
On 3/18/2023 6:29 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:dp/B07DGTNMBK
On 17/03/2023 19:00, Dave R wrote:It could be similar to this, so the screw goes through the side of the
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the
caddy or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get
the disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
Is the thread end of the screw in metal or plastic? If plastic, it
might help to put the caddy into a plastic bag and then put that in the
freezer to get the screw to contract slightly. It might then be easier
to turn. If it's in metal there's no point in trying a freezer as there
will be little if any difference in contraction between the metals.
caddy, and right into the aluminium of the hard drive chassis. The side
of the material recesses the screw head a bit, preventing easy access to
it. Only a frontal attack to the screw head will work.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Caddy-Compatible-Apollo-StoreEasy-Servers/
There are limits on what you can do to the item in question,
like say, beating it with a hammer or using your oxy-acetylene on it :-)
The OP wants to save the hard drive. And the caddy.
Yes, that is very similar.
PC is a Proliant Server Gen 8.
Cheers
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 05:58:32 +1100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Your system time is way out.
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:46:44 +0100, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On 17 Mar 2023 19:00:10 GMT, Dave R <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
Any ideas welcome.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BEKO-2616020-Schraubendoktor-20-Tube/dp/ >B007KIF73A
Increases friction between screwdriver and screw. That's all it does,
and it does that very well. Belongs in every bag of tricks! (Also used
in aviation under the name "Viscogrip"... yeah, expensive.)
Thanks.
At £25 it would be cheaper to replace the caddy. :-(
On 18 Mar 2023 13:50:51 GMT, David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:46:44 +0100, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On 17 Mar 2023 19:00:10 GMT, Dave R <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:B007KIF73A
Any ideas welcome.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BEKO-2616020-Schraubendoktor-20-Tube/dp/
Increases friction between screwdriver and screw. That's all it does,
and it does that very well. Belongs in every bag of tricks! (Also used
in aviation under the name "Viscogrip"... yeah, expensive.)
Thanks.
At £25 it would be cheaper to replace the caddy. :-(
Yes -- I recalled an acquaintance who had worked at an auto plat telling
me of
this magic stuff, and that they shared it around for those rare cases
where it
was needed. Found it, and was surprised at the price!
I hoped someone might weigh in with a DIY solution: abrasive powder
mixed with
grease?
or some sticky mastic? ATA, Vim, "Barkeeper's Friend"? There's bits by
Wiha with a diamond grit coating which do grip better than others, at
least
until the coating wears off -- but not in small Torx sizes, ends at T15
or
something...
(You could also try heating the screw with a soldering iron, for a
moment...)
Hammers and hard drives are at best uneasy companions.
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the caddy
or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get the
disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
Cheers
Dave R
[Oh, and this is a new install of a 2016 version of Pan because reasons.]
A piece cut out of a wide rubber band will increase the friction between
the screwdriver and the screw. It works the same way as the visco stuff >elsewhere in this thread, but £25 cheaper. :)
Some time ago I bought a used Proliant to act as a file server.
When it arrived it still had one disc in.
I discovered why on further investigation - one of the 4 start head
screws which held the disc into the caddy had been rounded off.
My problem now is how to remove this without destroying either the caddy
or the disc.
I can't get at the internal end of the screw without taking a circuit
board off the disc.
I do have a spare caddy (if I can find it) but I would like mto get the
disc out if possible.
Any ideas welcome.
Well, there's a thing.
Just had a minor brain wave.
Took out 3 screws as suggested so that I could move the plastic case
around to make sure that was not binding.
Then I worked my way through the comprehensive set of unusual/security
screw bits in my Draper set to see if another type of bit would fit well enough into the hole to grip.
Somewhat to my surprise a hex head fitted well enough to give a bit of
grip and the screw is now out!
This attempt was prompted by the suggestions, including rubber bands, to provide a little bit of extra friction.
So those ideas are as yet untested.
Now to put it back with 3 screws and then find another screw to fit from
my collection of small screws.
Then (eventually) to build a file server.
As an aside I have been talking about upgrading my graphics card on my
daily driver to enable reliable 4k display support.
The current card may well do nicely in a PCIe slot in the server.
Cheers
Dave R
On 3/20/2023 9:54 AM, Dave R wrote:
Well, there's a thing.
Just had a minor brain wave.
Took out 3 screws as suggested so that I could move the plastic case
around to make sure that was not binding.
Then I worked my way through the comprehensive set of unusual/security
screw bits in my Draper set to see if another type of bit would fit
well enough into the hole to grip.
Somewhat to my surprise a hex head fitted well enough to give a bit of
grip and the screw is now out!
This attempt was prompted by the suggestions, including rubber bands,
to provide a little bit of extra friction.
So those ideas are as yet untested.
Now to put it back with 3 screws and then find another screw to fit
from my collection of small screws.
Then (eventually) to build a file server.
As an aside I have been talking about upgrading my graphics card on my
daily driver to enable reliable 4k display support.
The current card may well do nicely in a PCIe slot in the server.
Cheers
Dave R
What condition was the screw in ?
Had it been abused by someone ? Threads ruined ?
Paul
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