• Email on a home server

    From Frank@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 23 16:51:16 2023
    I'm currently running my POP3 email accounts using Thunderbird on a
    Windows 11 desktop but I'm increasingly using a laptop to create files
    for various projects.

    The desktop is backed up to a Synology 918+ server and, because I'm increasingly using the laptop, I'm contemplating switching things around
    and making the server the repository for files rather than the backup
    location.

    However, I'm concerned with possibly wrecking Thunderbird by sending and receiving emails from multiple machines. Would that be an issue? It it
    would be, is there a workaround?

    --
    Frank

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Frank on Mon Jan 23 17:20:48 2023
    On 23/01/2023 in message
    <u5mdncBEl7eZJlP-nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> Frank wrote:

    I'm currently running my POP3 email accounts using Thunderbird on a
    Windows 11 desktop but I'm increasingly using a laptop to create files for >various projects.

    The desktop is backed up to a Synology 918+ server and, because I'm >increasingly using the laptop, I'm contemplating switching things around
    and making the server the repository for files rather than the backup >location.

    However, I'm concerned with possibly wrecking Thunderbird by sending and >receiving emails from multiple machines. Would that be an issue? It it
    would be, is there a workaround?

    Does Thunderbird do IMAP? If so that would allow you to connect with a PC
    or tablet and give you access to everything. If not POP3 and leaving
    messages on the server would work for incoming stuff but you would only
    have copies of sent emails on the machine they are sent from.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    George Washington was a British subject until well after his 40th birthday. (Margaret Thatcher, speech at the White House 17 December 1979)

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  • From Raj Kundra@21:1/5 to Frank on Tue Jan 24 09:01:45 2023
    On 23/01/2023 16:51, Frank wrote:
    I'm currently running my POP3 email accounts using Thunderbird on a
    Windows 11 desktop but I'm increasingly using a laptop to create files
    for various projects.

    The desktop is backed up to a Synology 918+ server and, because I'm increasingly using the laptop, I'm contemplating switching things around
    and making the server the repository for files rather than the backup location.

    However, I'm concerned with possibly wrecking Thunderbird by sending and receiving emails from multiple machines. Would that be an issue? It it
    would be, is there a workaround?

    On the PC with Thunderbird. Import user and account setting to
    somewhere. Then install Thunderbird on laptop and import the setting you
    saved.
    You will have 2 fully working PC/Laptops with all your e mail accounts etc.

    Assuming you want all e mails to come to PC in end of day? On laptop go
    into e mail account and on server Tab check “leave messages on server”
    and check “until I delete them”

    This way you can use laptop all the time and send and receive e mails
    from it. It will keep a copy on server until you log in from PC and
    receive your e mails on PC and then copy on server will be deleted.

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to Frank on Tue Jan 24 11:47:49 2023
    On 23 Jan 2023 at 16:51:16 GMT, "Frank" <home@nowhere.me> wrote:

    I'm currently running my POP3 email accounts using Thunderbird on a
    Windows 11 desktop but I'm increasingly using a laptop to create files
    for various projects.

    Your first step is to see if you can access all those POP3 accounts via
    IMAP instead. IMAP (and indeed basically every other current mail
    protocol) treats the mailserver as the host and any mail clients as locally-caching views on that host; means you can have as many clients
    as you like, desktop/laptop/phone/etc connected with no trouble. Filing/deleting/"read" sync as the clients update the server.

    POP3 is a "once delivered, gone from the server (unless you engage one
    of a series of crappy workarounds that aren't reliable)" protocol, and
    really needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

    Thunderbird will locally cache *all* the mail that the server holds with
    IMAP, so you're not at risk of not being able to back it up.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Sent from my Atari 400

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  • From Frank@21:1/5 to Jaimie Vandenbergh on Wed Jan 25 15:12:18 2023
    On 24/01/2023 11:47, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    On 23 Jan 2023 at 16:51:16 GMT, "Frank" <home@nowhere.me> wrote:

    I'm currently running my POP3 email accounts using Thunderbird on a
    Windows 11 desktop but I'm increasingly using a laptop to create files
    for various projects.

    Your first step is to see if you can access all those POP3 accounts via
    IMAP instead. IMAP (and indeed basically every other current mail
    protocol) treats the mailserver as the host and any mail clients as locally-caching views on that host; means you can have as many clients
    as you like, desktop/laptop/phone/etc connected with no trouble. Filing/deleting/"read" sync as the clients update the server.

    POP3 is a "once delivered, gone from the server (unless you engage one
    of a series of crappy workarounds that aren't reliable)" protocol, and
    really needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

    Thunderbird will locally cache *all* the mail that the server holds with IMAP, so you're not at risk of not being able to back it up.

    Cheers - Jaimie

    I seem to remember trying IMAP in the very distant past and finding that
    my ISP started to complain that I had reached some kind of storage
    limit. Is that usual? Or was it a consequence of how I had set it up?

    --
    Frank

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  • From Frank@21:1/5 to Raj Kundra on Wed Jan 25 15:12:38 2023
    On 24/01/2023 09:01, Raj Kundra wrote:
    On 23/01/2023 16:51, Frank wrote:
    I'm currently running my POP3 email accounts using Thunderbird on a
    Windows 11 desktop but I'm increasingly using a laptop to create files
    for various projects.

    The desktop is backed up to a Synology 918+ server and, because I'm
    increasingly using the laptop, I'm contemplating switching things around
    and making the server the repository for files rather than the backup
    location.

    However, I'm concerned with possibly wrecking Thunderbird by sending and
    receiving emails from multiple machines. Would that be an issue? It it
    would be, is there a workaround?

    On the PC with Thunderbird. Import user and account setting to
    somewhere. Then install Thunderbird on laptop and import the setting you saved.
    You will have 2 fully working PC/Laptops with all your e mail accounts etc.

    Assuming you want all e mails to come to PC in end of day? On laptop go
    into e mail account and on server Tab check “leave messages on server” and check “until I delete them”

    This way you can use laptop all the time and send and receive e mails
    from it. It will keep a copy on server until you log in from PC and
    receive your e mails on PC and then copy on server will be deleted.

    If I've understood correctly, that's the setup I have now which means
    that, despite having read emails on my laptop, they show as unread on
    the desktop and vice versa.

    I was hoping/thinking of storing them on my Synology so that reading
    them on one machine would show them as read on the other.

    --
    Frank

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Frank on Wed Jan 25 15:27:32 2023
    On 25/01/2023 in message
    <NvicnfBdu6xO20z-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> Frank wrote:

    On 24/01/2023 11:47, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    On 23 Jan 2023 at 16:51:16 GMT, "Frank" <home@nowhere.me> wrote:

    I'm currently running my POP3 email accounts using Thunderbird on a >>>Windows 11 desktop but I'm increasingly using a laptop to create files >>>for various projects.

    Your first step is to see if you can access all those POP3 accounts via >>IMAP instead. IMAP (and indeed basically every other current mail
    protocol) treats the mailserver as the host and any mail clients as >>locally-caching views on that host; means you can have as many clients
    as you like, desktop/laptop/phone/etc connected with no trouble. >>Filing/deleting/"read" sync as the clients update the server.

    POP3 is a "once delivered, gone from the server (unless you engage one
    of a series of crappy workarounds that aren't reliable)" protocol, and >>really needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

    Thunderbird will locally cache all the mail that the server holds with >>IMAP, so you're not at risk of not being able to back it up.

    Cheers - Jaimie

    I seem to remember trying IMAP in the very distant past and finding that
    my ISP started to complain that I had reached some kind of storage limit.
    Is that usual? Or was it a consequence of how I had set it up?

    IMAP leaves mail on the server so you can hit a quota. It will fix your
    problem though. You could archive old email locally, i.e. move them from
    the IMAP server to a local directory to avoid the quota.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    All things being equal, fat people use more soap

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Frank on Wed Jan 25 18:50:09 2023
    On 25/01/2023 15:12, Frank wrote:
    On 24/01/2023 09:01, Raj Kundra wrote:
    On 23/01/2023 16:51, Frank wrote:
    I'm currently running my POP3 email accounts using Thunderbird on a
    Windows 11 desktop but I'm increasingly using a laptop to create
    files for various projects.

    The desktop is backed up to a Synology 918+ server and, because I'm
    increasingly using the laptop, I'm contemplating switching things
    around and making the server the repository for files rather than the
    backup location.

    However, I'm concerned with possibly wrecking Thunderbird by sending
    and receiving emails from multiple machines. Would that be an issue?
    It it would be, is there a workaround?

    On the PC with Thunderbird. Import user and account setting to
    somewhere. Then install Thunderbird on laptop and import the setting you
    saved.
    You will have 2 fully working PC/Laptops with all your e mail accounts
    etc.

    Assuming you want all e mails to come to PC in end of day? On laptop go
    into e mail account and on server Tab check “leave messages on server” >> and check “until I delete them”

    This way you can use laptop all the time and send and receive e mails
    from it. It will keep a copy on server until you log in from PC and
    receive your e mails on PC and then copy on server will be deleted.

    If I've understood correctly, that's the setup I have now which means
    that, despite having read emails on my laptop, they show as unread on
    the desktop and vice versa.

    I was hoping/thinking of storing them on my Synology so that reading
    them on one machine would show them as read on the other.


    why not just use webmail? i use mail.ionos.co.uk to access my email
    hosted at Ionos.

    No need to install anything or keep an email IMAP file on a NAS.

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  • From Abandoned_Trolley@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 25 21:04:29 2023
    why not just use webmail? i use mail.ionos.co.uk to access my email
    hosted at Ionos.

    No need to install anything or keep an email IMAP file on a NAS.



    Some hosting companies have IMAP mail servers but also provide webmail
    access - best of both worlds.


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  • From Raj Kundra@21:1/5 to Frank on Wed Jan 25 21:57:53 2023
    On 25/01/2023 15:12, Frank wrote:
    On 24/01/2023 09:01, Raj Kundra wrote:
    On 23/01/2023 16:51, Frank wrote:
    I'm currently running my POP3 email accounts using Thunderbird on a
    Windows 11 desktop but I'm increasingly using a laptop to create
    files for various projects.

    The desktop is backed up to a Synology 918+ server and, because I'm
    increasingly using the laptop, I'm contemplating switching things
    around and making the server the repository for files rather than the
    backup location.

    However, I'm concerned with possibly wrecking Thunderbird by sending
    and receiving emails from multiple machines. Would that be an issue?
    It it would be, is there a workaround?

    On the PC with Thunderbird. Import user and account setting to
    somewhere. Then install Thunderbird on laptop and import the setting you
    saved.
    You will have 2 fully working PC/Laptops with all your e mail accounts
    etc.

    Assuming you want all e mails to come to PC in end of day? On laptop go
    into e mail account and on server Tab check “leave messages on server” >> and check “until I delete them”

    This way you can use laptop all the time and send and receive e mails
    from it. It will keep a copy on server until you log in from PC and
    receive your e mails on PC and then copy on server will be deleted.

    If I've understood correctly, that's the setup I have now which means
    that, despite having read emails on my laptop, they show as unread on
    the desktop and vice versa.

    I was hoping/thinking of storing them on my Synology so that reading
    them on one machine would show them as read on the other.

    I like my e mails locally available. this set up means I can use one Pc
    all day in workshop and receiver and sent e mails there or late in
    evening as I am doing now on my laptop (I ditched Mac book last week for
    this comfort).
    Then as a safety measure I get all e mails on my main work PC, so I know
    if one machine got problems, I am sure o get all e mails.
    May be not a good habit, but it comes from time when I used to get 2000+
    e mails a day from different trade groups and trade broadcast sites and
    missing one e mail mean loosing some business.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Thu Jan 26 07:47:56 2023
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 25/01/2023 in message
    <NvicnfBdu6xO20z-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> Frank wrote:

    On 24/01/2023 11:47, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    On 23 Jan 2023 at 16:51:16 GMT, "Frank" <home@nowhere.me> wrote:

    I'm currently running my POP3 email accounts using Thunderbird on a
    Windows 11 desktop but I'm increasingly using a laptop to create files >>>> for various projects.

    Your first step is to see if you can access all those POP3 accounts via
    IMAP instead. IMAP (and indeed basically every other current mail
    protocol) treats the mailserver as the host and any mail clients as
    locally-caching views on that host; means you can have as many clients
    as you like, desktop/laptop/phone/etc connected with no trouble.
    Filing/deleting/"read" sync as the clients update the server.

    POP3 is a "once delivered, gone from the server (unless you engage one
    of a series of crappy workarounds that aren't reliable)" protocol, and
    really needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

    Thunderbird will locally cache all the mail that the server holds with
    IMAP, so you're not at risk of not being able to back it up.

    Cheers - Jaimie

    I seem to remember trying IMAP in the very distant past and finding that
    my ISP started to complain that I had reached some kind of storage limit.
    Is that usual? Or was it a consequence of how I had set it up?

    IMAP leaves mail on the server so you can hit a quota. It will fix your problem though. You could archive old email locally, i.e. move them from
    the IMAP server to a local directory to avoid the quota.

    Or buy more storage.

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  • From GS@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Thu Feb 16 21:28:40 2023
    "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    On 25/01/2023 in message
    <NvicnfBdu6xO20z-nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> Frank wrote:

    I seem to remember trying IMAP in the very distant past and
    finding that
    my ISP started to complain that I had reached some kind of storage
    limit.
    Is that usual? Or was it a consequence of how I had set it up?

    IMAP leaves mail on the server so you can hit a quota. It will fix
    your
    problem though. You could archive old email locally, i.e. move
    them from
    the IMAP server to a local directory to avoid the quota.

    You could store your mail on a local mail server, and then set your
    email clients to connect to it by IMAP. For instance hMailserver is
    free and very reliable: as well as acting as a normal mailserver it
    can also retrieve mail from POP3 accounts for you which all your PCs
    could then access via IMAP.

    However I don't know whether mail that had been read on one machine
    would be shown as read on another as I've not used the IMAP feature
    myself, I suppose it would depend on where the read flag is held -
    in the client or on the mailserver?

    There is an active hMailserver webforum which can probably help on
    such matters though.

    https://www.hmailserver.com
    https://www.hmailserver.com/forum/

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