Hi all
Pretty general question: I am considering downgrading my Supermicro 'home' server for a Fujitsu Primergy one. Mainly this is to reduce energy costs, the Supermicro is a bit of a beast even having taken a fair few steps to reduce the bill.
On 21/01/2023 02:19, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 20 Jan 2023 at 10:02:29 GMT, "jkn" <jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all
Pretty general question: I am considering downgrading my
Supermicro 'home' server for a Fujitsu Primergy one. Mainly this is
to reduce energy costs, the Supermicro is a bit of a beast even
having taken a fair few steps to reduce the bill.
I get the nostalgia, but wouldn't you be better of describing what you
do with your server? It might be something a 5W Raspberry can handle, if
the aim is to reduce energy bills.
I turned off two NASes and their associated bits'n'bobs about a year ago
saving about 150W continuous. I power one up on demand now, which
basically costs nothing.
Cheers - Jaimie
One option could be a "cloud server" from the likes of AWS or Azure and transfer everything from the home server to that cloud server?
On 20 Jan 2023 at 10:02:29 GMT, "jkn" <jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all
Pretty general question: I am considering downgrading my Supermicro 'home' server for a Fujitsu Primergy one. Mainly this is to reduce energy costs, the Supermicro is a bit of a beast even having taken a fair few steps to reduce the bill.
I get the nostalgia, but wouldn't you be better of describing what you
do with your server? It might be something a 5W Raspberry can handle, if
the aim is to reduce energy bills.
I turned off two NASes and their associated bits'n'bobs about a year ago saving about 150W continuous. I power one up on demand now, which
basically costs nothing.
Cheers - Jaimie
On 21/01/2023 08:45, SH wrote:
On 21/01/2023 02:19, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 20 Jan 2023 at 10:02:29 GMT, "jkn" <jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all
Pretty general question: I am considering downgrading my
Supermicro 'home' server for a Fujitsu Primergy one. Mainly this is
to reduce energy costs, the Supermicro is a bit of a beast even
having taken a fair few steps to reduce the bill.
I get the nostalgia, but wouldn't you be better of describing what you
do with your server? It might be something a 5W Raspberry can handle, if >> the aim is to reduce energy bills.
I turned off two NASes and their associated bits'n'bobs about a year ago >> saving about 150W continuous. I power one up on demand now, which
basically costs nothing.
Cheers - Jaimie
One option could be a "cloud server" from the likes of AWS or Azure and transfer everything from the home server to that cloud server?and in the case of NASes, could switch to dropbox, or OneDrive from MS?
I pay £60 all in a year for 5 Office accounts, each of which have 1TB storage space.
Running 5TB NAS would certainly cost more than £60 a year in electric
plus the cost of the HAS hardware and your time in setting it all up.
Obviously this would not work or wouldf require extra effort/equipment
if you were doing media (Twony/Plex/MythTV/BeyondPVR etc or networked CCTV.
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 8:48:06 AM UTC, SH wrote:
On 21/01/2023 08:45, SH wrote:
On 21/01/2023 02:19, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:and in the case of NASes, could switch to dropbox, or OneDrive from MS?
On 20 Jan 2023 at 10:02:29 GMT, "jkn" <jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all
Pretty general question: I am considering downgrading my
Supermicro 'home' server for a Fujitsu Primergy one. Mainly this is
to reduce energy costs, the Supermicro is a bit of a beast even
having taken a fair few steps to reduce the bill.
I get the nostalgia, but wouldn't you be better of describing what you >>>> do with your server? It might be something a 5W Raspberry can handle, if >>>> the aim is to reduce energy bills.
I turned off two NASes and their associated bits'n'bobs about a year ago >>>> saving about 150W continuous. I power one up on demand now, which
basically costs nothing.
Cheers - Jaimie
One option could be a "cloud server" from the likes of AWS or Azure and
transfer everything from the home server to that cloud server?
I pay £60 all in a year for 5 Office accounts, each of which have 1TB
storage space.
Running 5TB NAS would certainly cost more than £60 a year in electric
plus the cost of the HAS hardware and your time in setting it all up.
Obviously this would not work or wouldf require extra effort/equipment
if you were doing media (Twony/Plex/MythTV/BeyondPVR etc or networked CCTV.
Thanks and all that guys, but I really was after what the subject line says, not:
"do I really need a server", etc. But that's OK, this is Usenet after all...
Pretty general question: I am considering downgrading my Supermicro 'home' server for a Fujitsu Primergy one. Mainly this is to reduce energy costs, the Supermicro is a bit of a beast even having taken a fair few
steps to reduce the bill.
I'm just interested in any general experiences with this make; any
opinions? I have a mildy fondness for the make after having put linux on
a little Fujitsu Scenic '386 box twenty years of more ago. it was a
lovely little machine...
jkn <jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
Pretty general question: I am considering downgrading my Supermicro
'home' server for a Fujitsu Primergy one. Mainly this is to reduce energy costs, the Supermicro is a bit of a beast even having taken a fair few steps to reduce the bill.
I'm just interested in any general experiences with this make; any opinions? I have a mildy fondness for the make after having put linux onWhile I've worked with quite a variety of server vendors (Supermicro, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Asus, Gigabyte, Chenbro, Intel) I've never seen a Fujitsu, so am completely off the map with this one.
a little Fujitsu Scenic '386 box twenty years of more ago. it was a
lovely little machine...
Is it one of the desktop-class servers or do you mean a rack thing?
What model is it?
I suppose things to look for:
- are the power supply arrangements weird? Sometimes Dell and Lenovo use
odd connectors so you have to use a special PSU, not just any ATX one (or an all-12V PSU)
- any special cages or cabling for drives / bays / PCIe risers?
(it may be hard to find these aftermarket if you need extra)
- fan control - is noise an issue, can you make it quieter?
- what's the BIOS and BMC situation?
Apart from those, once the thing is on the software experience is typically much of a muchness.
Some of their desktop 'micro servers' look interesting, although the ones on ebay look fairly old and uncompetitive price wise.
Theo
Hi Theo
yes, those are the sort of things I was interested in experience with ;-).
I've done some research but there's always room for more...
jkn <jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
Hi TheoTBH I wouldn't really bother with obscure run-of-the-mill servers. The pricing often isn't anything good (they aren't as common as Dells or HPs), you may have trouble getting spares like replacement PSUs, extra drive bays or caddies, and you are less likely to be able to find 'unofficial' info if you don't have a support contract (eg BIOS updates if they're paywalled).
yes, those are the sort of things I was interested in experience with ;-). I've done some research but there's always room for more...
I'd need a good reason to make it attractive. If it was a good price or
some config I couldn't get elsewhere then maybe.
They're typically bought on bulk contracts: a business like a retailer buys
a batch of a few thousand units, which come with a support contract. At
that level a lot of the obscureness is taken away, and they were just
whoever bid the lowest price to the tender.
That's a quite different proposition from a hobbyist buying a single used server.
Theo
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 10:19:29 PM UTC, Theo wrote:
jkn <jkn...@nicorp.f9.co.uk> wrote:
Hi TheoTBH I wouldn't really bother with obscure run-of-the-mill servers. The
yes, those are the sort of things I was interested in experience with ;-). >>> I've done some research but there's always room for more...
pricing often isn't anything good (they aren't as common as Dells or HPs), >> you may have trouble getting spares like replacement PSUs, extra drive bays >> or caddies, and you are less likely to be able to find 'unofficial' info if >> you don't have a support contract (eg BIOS updates if they're paywalled).
I'd need a good reason to make it attractive. If it was a good price or
some config I couldn't get elsewhere then maybe.
They're typically bought on bulk contracts: a business like a retailer buys >> a batch of a few thousand units, which come with a support contract. At
that level a lot of the obscureness is taken away, and they were just
whoever bid the lowest price to the tender.
That's a quite different proposition from a hobbyist buying a single used
server.
Theo
Hi Theo
yes, all good points, especially on price and availability of spares. Those would be the sort of reasons that would steer me towards
an ML350 etc.
Cheers, Jon N
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