On 07/01/2023 08:33, Jeff Gaines wrote:

On 07/01/2023 in message <ueairhhei4jqf296bebadk8crdus05sbku@4ax.com>
Mike Halmarack wrote:

I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs I'd like to install Win10 Pro on this new
addition. I have a win 7 Pro CD with an OEM key.
Is down from 11 or up from 7 the way to go, if either possible?

I would go for a clean start, let the new OS clean/format the drive and install itself. Might be worth checking that Win 10 drivers are
available, I got a Lenovo E390 which came with Win 10 and it didn't wan
to know about Win 8 at all.

Just checked the retirement dates for Windows 10:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

so it appears Win 10 will be supported to 14th October 2025....

The current version 22H2 is supported until May 14 2024 so it sounds
like there will be some more updates between these two dates.

What is more intriguing to me is why you want to keep your current fleet
of computers on Win 10 for longer rather than planning for upgrade to
win 11?

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On 07/01/2023 in message <ueairhhei4jqf296bebadk8crdus05sbku@4ax.com> Mike Halmarack wrote:

I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs I'd like to install Win10 Pro on this new
addition. I have a win 7 Pro CD with an OEM key.
Is down from 11 or up from 7 the way to go, if either possible?

I would go for a clean start, let the new OS clean/format the drive and
install itself. Might be worth checking that Win 10 drivers are available,
I got a Lenovo E390 which came with Win 10 and it didn't wan to know about
Win 8 at all.

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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant

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I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs I'd like to install Win10 Pro on this new
addition. I have a win 7 Pro CD with an OEM key.
Is down from 11 or up from 7 the way to go, if either possible?
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Mike

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On 07/01/2023 in message <chfirhpk7rnlf8nhkaidtdj7vbuijj4dm3@4ax.com> Mike Halmarack wrote:

On 7 Jan 2023 08:33:43 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

On 07/01/2023 in message <ueairhhei4jqf296bebadk8crdus05sbku@4ax.com> Mike >>Halmarack wrote:

I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs I'd like to install Win10 Pro on this new >>>addition. I have a win 7 Pro CD with an OEM key.
Is down from 11 or up from 7 the way to go, if either possible?

I would go for a clean start, let the new OS clean/format the drive and >>install itself. Might be worth checking that Win 10 drivers are available, >>I got a Lenovo E390 which came with Win 10 and it didn't wan to know about >>Win 8 at all.

I'm hoping that a microsft computer will play kindly with microsoft
OS's

It's good to see that level of optimism in here :-)

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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Those are my principles – and if you don’t like them, well, I have others. (Groucho Marx)

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On 7 Jan 2023 08:33:43 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

On 07/01/2023 in message <ueairhhei4jqf296bebadk8crdus05sbku@4ax.com> Mike >Halmarack wrote:

I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs I'd like to install Win10 Pro on this new >>addition. I have a win 7 Pro CD with an OEM key.
Is down from 11 or up from 7 the way to go, if either possible?

I would go for a clean start, let the new OS clean/format the drive and >install itself. Might be worth checking that Win 10 drivers are available,
I got a Lenovo E390 which came with Win 10 and it didn't wan to know about >Win 8 at all.

I'm hoping that a microsft computer will play kindly with microsoft
OS's

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On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 08:43:24 +0000, SH <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote:

On 07/01/2023 08:33, Jeff Gaines wrote:

On 07/01/2023 in message <ueairhhei4jqf296bebadk8crdus05sbku@4ax.com>
Mike Halmarack wrote:

I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs I'd like to install Win10 Pro on this new
addition. I have a win 7 Pro CD with an OEM key.
Is down from 11 or up from 7 the way to go, if either possible?

I would go for a clean start, let the new OS clean/format the drive and
install itself. Might be worth checking that Win 10 drivers are
available, I got a Lenovo E390 which came with Win 10 and it didn't wan
to know about Win 8 at all.

Just checked the retirement dates for Windows 10:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

so it appears Win 10 will be supported to 14th October 2025....

The current version 22H2 is supported until May 14 2024 so it sounds
like there will be some more updates between these two dates.

What is more intriguing to me is why you want to keep your current fleet
of computers on Win 10 for longer rather than planning for upgrade to
win 11?

Thanks for the useful information. I see your point but there are a
lot of things I'd like to do between now and October 2025, that may be
done more easily if I can avoid having to upgrade all my PCs in the
meantime.
Not that I don't love having my life filled with technicalities,
especially when I have uk.comp.homebuilt providing so much good
advice.
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Mike

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On 07/01/2023 in message <tpbbbe$99f$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:

What is more intriguing to me is why you want to keep your current fleet
of computers on Win 10 for longer rather than planning for upgrade to win
11?

Start here:

https://thewincentral.com/top-windows-10-features-missing-in-windows-11-currently/

I have just accepted that I have to move to Win 10 as Brave keeps whining
about no more updates for Win 8.1. What really annoys me is under the
bonnet Windows hasn't changed since Win 98 SE, all the changes are
cosmetic. If you drill down the various settings, assuming you can still
find them, you will end up at the same dialog that appeared in Win 98.
Programs that I wrote to the API for Win 98 run just as well on Win 10
because the API hasn't changed.

It is a continuation of the form over function culture we have nowadays -
my email client won't connect to Yahoo but it comes with a choice of 12
themes and a theme designer :-(

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This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it

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Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:

I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs I'd like to install Win10 Pro on this new
addition. I have a win 7 Pro CD with an OEM key.
Is down from 11 or up from 7 the way to go, if either possible?

I think the licence should offer you downgrade rights to Win 10, but it'll probably be Win 10 Home. If you want Pro, you might try installing it and
put in the 7 Pro key. I did that and a 7 key activated successfully.

It's possible you might have driver issues, but I think the Surface Pro 7 shipped with Windows 10 so the drivers should exist for that. It might be
more complicated with a later machine.

Theo

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On 07 Jan 2023 09:59:53 +0000 (GMT), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Mike Halmarack <mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:

I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs I'd like to install Win10 Pro on this new
addition. I have a win 7 Pro CD with an OEM key.
Is down from 11 or up from 7 the way to go, if either possible?

I think the licence should offer you downgrade rights to Win 10, but it'll >probably be Win 10 Home. If you want Pro, you might try installing it and >put in the 7 Pro key. I did that and a 7 key activated successfully.

It's possible you might have driver issues, but I think the Surface Pro 7 >shipped with Windows 10 so the drivers should exist for that. It might be >more complicated with a later machine.

Theo

Thanks, that's helpful and reassuring I hadn't considered driver
problems, but, hopefully there may be alternative sources of these. If
not there's always back up to 11 I suppose.
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Mike

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On 07/01/2023 08:24, Mike Halmarack wrote:

I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs

Unless you are running a AD domain, encrypting disks, dialling in weird security permissions on shares, using Hyper-V or using remote desktop -
what's the benefit of Pro over Home, for a home based network?

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Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:

On 07/01/2023 08:24, Mike Halmarack wrote:

I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs

Unless you are running a AD domain, encrypting disks, dialling in weird security permissions on shares, using Hyper-V or using remote desktop - what's the benefit of Pro over Home, for a home based network?

For a laptop that goes outside of the house, full disc encryption would seem like a must-have - otherwise anyone who steals it gets all your data.

Theo

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On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 08:24:36 +0000, Mike Halmarack
<mikehalmarack@gmail.com> wrote:

I bought my wife a surface pro 7 which is running Win 11 Home.
To standardise my LAN PCs I'd like to install Win10 Pro on this new
addition. I have a win 7 Pro CD with an OEM key.
Is down from 11 or up from 7 the way to go, if either possible?

I was anticipating the receipt of a refurbished Surface Pro 7 with Win
11 home installed as per the Amazon description.
It arrived looking in good shape with the machine wrapped
impressively, even if the separate 2 parts of the power supply were incompatible with each other. These were probably bundled at a
different phase of the shipping process.
The Surface Pro was also running win 10 Pro, which was compensation
enough. So my anticipated OS problem didn't exist after all.
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Mike

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Jeff Gaines wrote:

SH wrote:

What is more intriguing to me is why you want to keep your current fleet of >> computers on Win 10 for longer rather than planning for upgrade to win 11?

Start here:

https://thewincentral.com/top-windows-10-features-missing-in-windows-11-currently/

Quite a few of those have been changed

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On 09/01/2023 in message <k22k4lFo3sU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns wrote:

Jeff Gaines wrote:

SH wrote:

What is more intriguing to me is why you want to keep your current fleet >>>of computers on Win 10 for longer rather than planning for upgrade to win >>>11?

Start here:

https://thewincentral.com/top-windows-10-features-missing-in-windows-11-currently/

Quite a few of those have been changed

The key for me is only being able to install with a MSFT account and not
being able to move the Taskbar, the others are just annoyances and, once
you find your way through them, you end up in the same place you did with
Win 98 SE.

I could ask "what's the point?" but what's the point?

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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
If you ever find something you like buy a lifetime supply because they
will stop making it

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Jeff Gaines wrote:

The key for me is only being able to install with a MSFT account

The "taskkill /f oobe" method worked to allow me to install a new Win11 Home, without a MS account, no nagging since.

and not being able to move the Taskbar

That one's not changed

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On 09/01/2023 in message <k22othF1f9oU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
wrote:

Jeff Gaines wrote:

The key for me is only being able to install with a MSFT account

The "taskkill /f oobe" method worked to allow me to install a new Win11
Home, without a MS account, no nagging since.

Good to see MSFT making it so simple for users :-)

and not being able to move the Taskbar

That one's not changed

If I add 2 and 2 it's possible I will end up with 5 but let's try. I have noticed in the last few years that if I write to an organisation asking,
say, three questions I only ever get an answer to one of them. It seems to
me this may be due to a combination of three changes:

The move to shorter screens.
The introduction of the "Ribbon" in Word.
The Taskbar fixed at the bottom of the screen.

The oiks in these organisations can only see three lines of my
correspondence and think I have only asked one question!

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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
640k ought to be enough for anyone.
(Bill Gates, 1981)

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Jeff Gaines wrote:

I have noticed in the last few years that if I write to an organisation asking, say, three questions I only ever get an answer to one of them. It seems to me this may be due to a combination of three changes:

The move to shorter screens.

ITYM "wider" :-P The trend does seem to be going back towards squarer though, e.g. this 14" laptop at is only about 1/2" wider than the previous 12.something"
laptop

The introduction of the "Ribbon" in Word.

I rarely use Microsoft Office, but the Ribbon has certainly "buried" functionality which I know it has, but can no longer find easily. I still "get on" with LibreOffice by remembering where stuff used to be in late-90's versions
of Office.

The Taskbar fixed at the bottom of the screen.

On that one, the bottom is where most people seem to leave it, with wide screens
it might make sense to me to dock it left, provided the start menu and the tray could stay at the bottom, having start at top left (as available in Win7) just feels weird to me, and is one of the reasons I don't like Gnome3 either.

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On 09/01/2023 in message <k23420F351mU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
wrote:

The move to shorter screens.

ITYM "wider" :-P The trend does seem to be going back towards squarer >though, e.g. this 14" laptop at is only about 1/2" wider than the previous >12.something" laptop

The new ratio makes them shorter which for a business machine is much less useful, mind you I can swivel my current monitors if I can find the right button :-)

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Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not
expect to sit.

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