On 01/01/2023 in message <k1df9hF7lbvU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie
Vandenbergh wrote:

On 1 Jan 2023 at 12:25:37 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

On 01/01/2023 in message <xn0nwbyxg78sdhr00l@news.individual.net> Jeff >>Gaines wrote:

Just to add I thought I would experiment by renaming a directory and >>copying the backup from the NAS.

You need administrator permission to rename the directory OK.

You need permission from Z620\jeff to rename the directory - I am
Z620\jeff

This sort of thing is why I gave up on Windows for serious usage back in >2006. It's too cryptic.

Cheers - Jaimie

I got there:

ICACLS * /T /Q /C /RESET

Thanks to Adrian Caspersz for pointing me in the right direction :-)

How on earth do "ordinary" users mange with Windows?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
640k ought to be enough for anyone.
(Bill Gates, 1981)

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On 1 Jan 2023 at 13:18:51 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

On 01/01/2023 in message <k1df9hF7lbvU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

On 1 Jan 2023 at 12:25:37 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

On 01/01/2023 in message <xn0nwbyxg78sdhr00l@news.individual.net> Jeff
Gaines wrote:

Just to add I thought I would experiment by renaming a directory and
copying the backup from the NAS.

You need administrator permission to rename the directory OK.

You need permission from Z620\jeff to rename the directory - I am
Z620\jeff

This sort of thing is why I gave up on Windows for serious usage back in
2006. It's too cryptic.

Cheers - Jaimie

I got there:

ICACLS * /T /Q /C /RESET

Thanks to Adrian Caspersz for pointing me in the right direction :-)

How on earth do "ordinary" users mange with Windows?

To be fair, they probably don't do weird enough stuff with their own kit
to get tangled up in user ownerships like this. Your habit of having
several different OSes across machines or per-machine over time, with
perhaps the same username but different account GUIDs might have
something to do with this stuff.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++
makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away
your whole leg.
-- Bjarne Stroustrup

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On 01/01/2023 in message <k1drnpF9hmuU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie
Vandenbergh wrote:

I got there:

ICACLS * /T /Q /C /RESET

Thanks to Adrian Caspersz for pointing me in the right direction :-)

How on earth do "ordinary" users mange with Windows?

To be fair, they probably don't do weird enough stuff with their own kit
to get tangled up in user ownerships like this. Your habit of having
several different OSes across machines or per-machine over time, with
perhaps the same username but different account GUIDs might have
something to do with this stuff.

I'm sure you're right. Properties showed unknown owners with unknown
rights and running icacls seems to have cleared them out. Perhaps my
original idea of using the NAS for data was right, files are only accessed
over the network so perhaps no ownership issues?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
If it's not broken, mess around with it until it is

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Jeff Gaines laid this down on his screen :

On 01/01/2023 in message
<k1df9hF7lbvU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie
Vandenbergh wrote:

On 1 Jan 2023 at 12:25:37 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines""
<jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

On 01/01/2023 in message
<xn0nwbyxg78sdhr00l@news.individual.net>
Jeff
Gaines wrote:

Just to add I thought I would experiment by
renaming a directory and
copying the backup from the NAS.

You need administrator permission to rename
the directory OK.

You need permission from Z620\jeff to rename
the directory - I am Z620\jeff

This sort of thing is why I gave up on Windows
for serious usage back in
2006. It's too cryptic.

Cheers - Jaimie

I got there:

ICACLS * /T /Q /C /RESET

Thanks to Adrian Caspersz for pointing me in
the right direction :-)

How on earth do "ordinary" users mange with
Windows?

Well I manage by just using it, not trying to do
anything fancy, just gaming, email and
t'internet.

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On 1 Jan 2023 at 20:24:35 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

On 01/01/2023 in message <k1drnpF9hmuU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

I got there:

ICACLS * /T /Q /C /RESET

Thanks to Adrian Caspersz for pointing me in the right direction :-)

How on earth do "ordinary" users mange with Windows?

To be fair, they probably don't do weird enough stuff with their own kit
to get tangled up in user ownerships like this. Your habit of having
several different OSes across machines or per-machine over time, with
perhaps the same username but different account GUIDs might have
something to do with this stuff.

I'm sure you're right. Properties showed unknown owners with unknown
rights and running icacls seems to have cleared them out. Perhaps my
original idea of using the NAS for data was right, files are only accessed over the network so perhaps no ownership issues?

Yeah - as long as you set the NAS up right, anyway :)

Depends on how it works, but you can probably arrange it so that apart
from the optional share username+pass it treats all its files as
un-owned, so anyone using the share has access. That's what I do here,
on my TrueNAS setup.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is
dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison

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On 01/01/2023 in message <tossvc$1gnlr$1@dont-email.me> Steve Hough wrote:

How on earth do "ordinary" users mange with Windows?

Well I manage by just using it, not trying to do anything fancy, just
gaming, email and t'internet.

You're revealing your age :-)

I started with a Vic-20 in the early 80's and it came with no programs at
all. It booted into BASIC so the only thing I could do with it was learn programming. I very quickly discovered the optional tape drive wasn't
optional unless I wanted to start from scratch every time I turned it on!
The next two were a BBC B then BBC Master, same thing came with nothing
and booted into BASIC - in their case BBC BASIC which was I think the
first structured BASIC with the ability to call functions with parameters, something that is taken for granted now. I learnt 6502 assembler to the
extent I was able to write a hack for a bootleg copy of Elite to make it
run. I didn't play it, and once I had a PC the few games I tried (Flight
Sim, Combat Flight Sim, Descent 3) I quickly found boring.

My first IBM Compatible PC (not an expression you see nowadays) was an
Amstrad 512 for which I bought the memory chips in a brown paper bag to
make it a 640. This was the first PC I had that didn't boot into BASIC and
it took me a while to get the hang of that.

Since then it has always been PCs and for the last 25 years I have built
them, they are a substitute for the Meccano Set I could never afford.

I currently have a home built Asus Z170K and what was a barebones HP Z620
in day to day use along with 2 x laptops (one Windows, one Linux) and 2 x
NAS. In store I have 4 x BBC Micro, a Macbook Pro, couple of iPads, dozen
or so Android tablets, about 4 or 5 PCs and boxes of bits.

You have probably worked out I don't get out much :-)

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
I've been through the desert on a horse with no name.
It was a right bugger to get him back when he ran off.

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