• Windows 11 on Shuttle DE110SE, CPU says no?

    From T i m@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 16 11:17:44 2022
    Hi all,

    I have been playing with a couple of s/h Shuttle DE110SE mini PC's and
    find that even with a Celeron CPU, an SSD and 8GB of RAM they run W10
    pretty well ... and near silent. ;-)

    But I was interested to see if I could install W11 and they go though
    the W11 health check and only fail on the CPU?

    I have upgraded one to an Intel Core i5-6500 (3.2Ghz) LGA 1151 'just
    because' but W11 doesn't like that either, nor did it like a supposed CPU-skipping W11 upgrade I tried (all be it only one and once).

    I'm aware that there are also registry hacks and for a W11 / unsupported
    'play PC' I'm more than happy to do such but I just wondered if there
    was a CPU that with both fit the 1151 socket and be supported by the
    board / BIOS that would take W11 in a fully supported way please?

    I think I understand the Shuttle BIOS initially limited the CPU to
    Skylake then later included Kaby Lake (I'm now running the latest, .200
    BIOS) but not sure if it would take a 9th gen i3-9100 (Coffee Lake) and
    if that would be W11 compatible?

    https://global.shuttle.com/products/productsSupportList?productId=2091

    Any advice etc ... ;-)

    Cheers, T i m

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to T i m on Fri Dec 16 15:24:30 2022
    T i m <individual@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
    Hi all,

    I have been playing with a couple of s/h Shuttle DE110SE mini PC's and
    find that even with a Celeron CPU, an SSD and 8GB of RAM they run W10
    pretty well ... and near silent. ;-)

    But I was interested to see if I could install W11 and they go though
    the W11 health check and only fail on the CPU?

    I have upgraded one to an Intel Core i5-6500 (3.2Ghz) LGA 1151 'just
    because' but W11 doesn't like that either, nor did it like a supposed CPU-skipping W11 upgrade I tried (all be it only one and once).

    I'm aware that there are also registry hacks and for a W11 / unsupported
    'play PC' I'm more than happy to do such but I just wondered if there
    was a CPU that with both fit the 1151 socket and be supported by the
    board / BIOS that would take W11 in a fully supported way please?

    I think I understand the Shuttle BIOS initially limited the CPU to
    Skylake then later included Kaby Lake (I'm now running the latest, .200
    BIOS) but not sure if it would take a 9th gen i3-9100 (Coffee Lake) and
    if that would be W11 compatible?

    https://global.shuttle.com/products/productsSupportList?productId=2091

    According to the Microsoft list it's Coffee Lake or later: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors
    so you won't find anything that fits in a Skylake / Kaby Lake motherboard.
    The three Kaby Lake processors it supports are the i7-7800X, i7-7820HQ and i7-7820X, none of which will fit. The H110 on your board is a Skylake
    chipset and doesn't support later than Kaby Lake.

    So I think the registry hacks are your only option.

    Theo

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  • From T i m@21:1/5 to Theo on Fri Dec 16 19:25:14 2022
    On 16/12/2022 15:24, Theo wrote:

    <snip>

    I think I understand the Shuttle BIOS initially limited the CPU to
    Skylake then later included Kaby Lake (I'm now running the latest, .200
    BIOS) but not sure if it would take a 9th gen i3-9100 (Coffee Lake) and
    if that would be W11 compatible?

    https://global.shuttle.com/products/productsSupportList?productId=2091

    According to the Microsoft list it's Coffee Lake or later:

    Thanks.

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors
    so you won't find anything that fits in a Skylake / Kaby Lake motherboard.

    That's what I was confused by Theo, what limited that board to those two processor types when it originally only accepted the 1, Skylake etc.

    The three Kaby Lake processors it supports are the i7-7800X, i7-7820HQ and i7-7820X, none of which will fit. The H110 on your board is a Skylake chipset and doesn't support later than Kaby Lake.

    Noted.

    So I think the registry hacks are your only option.

    So then the follow-up question is 'how likely is it that MS will impact
    any unsupported W11 installs in the future', potentially rendering the
    boxes useless (short of re-installing W10 or a new hack etc)?

    I have an i7 PC that was given to me by a mate with W11 already
    installed because I didn't have anything that W11 would run on and I
    felt I should give it a look. I have seen mention of doing a W11
    pre-install on a W11 compatible setup then transferring it to the
    non-compliant machine for final install and use?

    I've just given daughter one of the Shuttles with W10 (W7-W10 in-place
    upgrade) and dual monitor for her OU work so didn't want to risk that
    one having issues in the near future (till she finishes the degree or
    W10 expires etc). ;-)

    Cheers, T i m

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 16 21:15:52 2022
    Am 16.12.2022 um 11:17:44 Uhr schrieb T i m:

    But I was interested to see if I could install W11 and they go though
    the W11 health check and only fail on the CPU?

    There is a workaround on this. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/windows-11s-system-requirements-can-be-bypassed-with-this-official-microsoft-workaround

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  • From T i m@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Fri Dec 16 21:43:49 2022
    On 16/12/2022 20:15, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 16.12.2022 um 11:17:44 Uhr schrieb T i m:

    But I was interested to see if I could install W11 and they go though
    the W11 health check and only fail on the CPU?

    There is a workaround on this. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/windows-11s-system-requirements-can-be-bypassed-with-this-official-microsoft-workaround

    That's interesting and slightly reassuring thanks, the fact that it's
    actually posted by MS themselves and in spite of the 'not recommended'
    warning.

    Reassuring that it might not look good on them if they later brick a PC,
    rather than just popping up an 'unsupported' banner or restricting some
    minor features (like an un-authenticated W10 install).

    Cheers, T i m

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  • From T i m@21:1/5 to Theo on Sat Dec 17 15:08:06 2022
    On 17/12/2022 14:49, Theo wrote:
    T i m <individual@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
    That's interesting and slightly reassuring thanks, the fact that it's
    actually posted by MS themselves and in spite of the 'not recommended'
    warning.

    That article, as well as having spyware tracking links, is a year old. MS often change their mind, so I wouldn't pay a whole lot of attention to old articles. That said, MS do describe the registry hacks themselves: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e

    Reassuring that it might not look good on them if they later brick a PC,
    rather than just popping up an 'unsupported' banner or restricting some
    minor features (like an un-authenticated W10 install).

    According to: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

    "The following disclaimer applies if you install Windows 11 on a device that doesn't meet the minimum system requirements:

    This PC doesn't meet the minimum system requirements for running Windows 11
    - these requirements help ensure a more reliable and higher quality experience. Installing Windows 11 on this PC is not recommended and may result in compatibility issues. If you proceed with installing Windows 11, your PC will no longer be supported and won't be entitled to receive
    updates. Damages to your PC due to lack of compatibility aren't covered under the manufacturer warranty."


    Which suggests it won't receive updates, although maybe there are registry hacks for that too.


    Thanks for that Theo.

    I've left it all in as it pretty well duplicates what I have just seen
    and done. ;-)

    Starting point. W7 on spinning drive.
    Upgraded CPU from Celeron to i5.
    Upgraded RAM from a single 4GB to 2 x 8GB.
    Upgrade W7 to W10 in situ.
    Confirmed W10 Home digitally activated.
    Replace spinning drive for SSD.
    Set UEFI, TPM and Secure boot on in BIOS.
    Boot from USB image and install W10 Home 64 bit.
    Apply all updates.
    Apply reg hack.
    Download W11.iso
    Run setup from X64 on ISO.
    Accept the warning you post above.
    Install W11.
    Run updates (and saw two so far). ;-)

    Fingers crossed and thanks to all who helped. ;-)

    Cheers, T i m

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to T i m on Sat Dec 17 14:49:40 2022
    T i m <individual@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
    That's interesting and slightly reassuring thanks, the fact that it's actually posted by MS themselves and in spite of the 'not recommended' warning.

    That article, as well as having spyware tracking links, is a year old. MS often change their mind, so I wouldn't pay a whole lot of attention to old articles. That said, MS do describe the registry hacks themselves: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e

    Reassuring that it might not look good on them if they later brick a PC, rather than just popping up an 'unsupported' banner or restricting some
    minor features (like an un-authenticated W10 install).

    According to: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

    "The following disclaimer applies if you install Windows 11 on a device that doesn't meet the minimum system requirements:

    This PC doesn't meet the minimum system requirements for running Windows 11
    - these requirements help ensure a more reliable and higher quality
    experience. Installing Windows 11 on this PC is not recommended and may
    result in compatibility issues. If you proceed with installing Windows 11, your PC will no longer be supported and won't be entitled to receive
    updates. Damages to your PC due to lack of compatibility aren't covered
    under the manufacturer warranty."


    Which suggests it won't receive updates, although maybe there are registry hacks for that too.

    Theo

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