I am playing Linux distros at the moment and having to dust off my thumbdrives - I've found a couple with 512 MB capacity, must be ancient.
Any suggestions for a good all round manufacturer/model please?
I brought a Kingston Traveller back into use but can't boot from it - a
long standing problem that somebody (in here I think) explained once.
My favourite is the Sandisk Cruzer Switch as it's fairly compact and
hinges close to keep it clean but it's not available any more -
ITHardware has an 8 GB one for £210 which I think is "refurbished".
There's also one on "OnBuy.com" but as it's the only one available in
the world I'm a bit suspicious.
Suggestions appreciated :-)
ITHardware has an 8 GB one for £210
I am playing Linux distros at the moment and having to dust off my thumbdrives - I've found a couple with 512 MB capacity, must be ancient.
Any suggestions for a good all round manufacturer/model please?
I brought a Kingston Traveller back into use but can't boot from it - a
long standing problem that somebody (in here I think) explained once.
My favourite is the Sandisk Cruzer Switch as it's fairly compact and
hinges close to keep it clean but it's not available any more -
ITHardware has an 8 GB one for £210 which I think is "refurbished".
There's also one on "OnBuy.com" but as it's the only one available in
the world I'm a bit suspicious.
Suggestions appreciated :-)
T i m wrote:
ITHardware has an 8 GB one for £210
I've got a couple of cruzer switch, they're ok, but some mistake on the
price surely, 8GB nowadays should be closer to £2.10 than £210
Andy Burns wrote:
8GB nowadays should be closer to £2.10 than £210
I went back to check:
https://ithardwaregroup.co.uk/sdcz52-016g-a11-sandisk-cruzer-switch-sdcz52-016g-a11-16-gb-usb-2-0-flash-drive-external/
On 30/11/2022 14:57, Jeff Gaines wrote:
just buy a 500GB SSD, a UASP compatble SATA3 to USB3 / USB-C adapter, >download and install Ventoy to the SSD,
I am playing Linux distros at the moment and having to dust off my >>thumbdrives - I've found a couple with 512 MB capacity, must be ancient.
Any suggestions for a good all round manufacturer/model please?
I brought a Kingston Traveller back into use but can't boot from it - a >>long standing problem that somebody (in here I think) explained once.
My favourite is the Sandisk Cruzer Switch as it's fairly compact and
hinges close to keep it clean but it's not available any more -
ITHardware has an 8 GB one for £210 which I think is "refurbished". >>There's also one on "OnBuy.com" but as it's the only one available in the >>world I'm a bit suspicious.
Suggestions appreciated :-)
Then download all your Linux distros and put onto the SSD.
Then boot from the SSD over USB... You then get a menu allowing you to
select which distro you want to boot off....
I have about 30 distros all of different versions on my 500 GB SSD.
Really much faster booting off a SSD than off a thumb drive.
just buy a 500GB SSD, a UASP compatble SATA3 to USB3 / USB-C adapter, >>download and install Ventoy to the SSD,
Then download all your Linux distros and put onto the SSD.
Then boot from the SSD over USB... You then get a menu allowing you to >>select which distro you want to boot off....
I have about 30 distros all of different versions on my 500 GB SSD.
Really much faster booting off a SSD than off a thumb drive.
Oh wow, never seen anything like that - tomorrow's project, thank you very >much :-)
On 30/11/2022 in message <tm8940$bnn$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
just buy a 500GB SSD, a UASP compatble SATA3 to USB3 / USB-C adapter,
download and install Ventoy to the SSD,
Then download all your Linux distros and put onto the SSD.
Then boot from the SSD over USB... You then get a menu allowing you to
select which distro you want to boot off....
I have about 30 distros all of different versions on my 500 GB SSD.
Really much faster booting off a SSD than off a thumb drive.
Oh wow, never seen anything like that - tomorrow's project, thank you
very much :-)
On 30/11/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 30/11/2022 in message <tm8940$bnn$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
<snip>
I just gave Ventoy a quick look and it may not be quite as 'friendly' (injust buy a 500GB SSD, a UASP compatble SATA3 to USB3 / USB-C adapter, >>>download and install Ventoy to the SSD,
Then download all your Linux distros and put onto the SSD.
Then boot from the SSD over USB... You then get a menu allowing you to >>>select which distro you want to boot off....
I have about 30 distros all of different versions on my 500 GB SSD.
Really much faster booting off a SSD than off a thumb drive.
Oh wow, never seen anything like that - tomorrow's project, thank you
very much :-)
the UI sense) to a new user as YUMI (but I'll give it a proper go later).
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
I have around 10 OS's and utilities (Windows, Linux, CD recovery tools
etc) on several USB pendrives and it's pretty easy to add a new one or
take one off. Here is what is on one taken at random:
W10_1903_32_64_all
ubuntu-18.04.4-desktop-amd64
linuxmint-19.3-cinnamon-64bit
linuxmint-20-cinnamon-64bit
ubuntu-18.04.5-live-server-amd64
debian-live-11.0.0-amd64-lxde
linuxmint-20.2-xfce-64bit
lmde-4-cinnamon-32bit
lmde-4-cinnamon-64bit
linuxmint-20.2-cinnamon-64bit
The only problem with having it all on a single big drive (PEN or SSD in a >caddy) is when it goes wrong or if you want to lend it to a mate then need
it yourself. ;-(
I've just picked up a 128GB M.2 drive for a fiver that turned out to be
too big (physically) for my Shuttles and I was going to put it in an
external USB3 caddy and I might use that as a 'Live' Linux solution if
it's likely to be quicker than a Class10 USB drive?
Cheers, T i m
On 1 Dec 2022 at 09:46:22 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
The time for a permanent move to Linux is nigh, defender popped up when I >>was unzipping Ventoy, it wasn't worried about Ventoy but my file manager, >>written in C# with Visual Studio which it just closed and quarantined.
That sort of stupid behaviour is why I find Win 10 unusable and it's now >>extended to Win 8.1.
Not disagreeing with your conclusion, I moved all my non-gaming to Macs
in 2006, but blaming the OS itself for an optional tool's behaviour
isn't really appropriate.
Cheers - Jaimie
The time for a permanent move to Linux is nigh, defender popped up when I
was unzipping Ventoy, it wasn't worried about Ventoy but my file manager, written in C# with Visual Studio which it just closed and quarantined.
That sort of stupid behaviour is why I find Win 10 unusable and it's now extended to Win 8.1.
Not disagreeing with your conclusion, I moved all my non-gaming to Macs >>>in 2006, but blaming the OS itself for an optional tool's behaviour
isn't really appropriate.
Cheers - Jaimie
Don't understand that, you think Defender is an optional tool?
That it is. Disable real-time protection stops the service; remove any >scheduled scans stops it scanning.
On 01/12/2022 in message <jursv2Fl4usU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 1 Dec 2022 at 09:46:22 GMT, ""Jeff Gaines"" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
The time for a permanent move to Linux is nigh, defender popped up when I >>> was unzipping Ventoy, it wasn't worried about Ventoy but my file manager, >>> written in C# with Visual Studio which it just closed and quarantined.
That sort of stupid behaviour is why I find Win 10 unusable and it's now >>> extended to Win 8.1.
Not disagreeing with your conclusion, I moved all my non-gaming to Macs
in 2006, but blaming the OS itself for an optional tool's behaviour
isn't really appropriate.
Cheers - Jaimie
Don't understand that, you think Defender is an optional tool?
On 30/11/2022 in message <tm8940$bnn$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
On 30/11/2022 14:57, Jeff Gaines wrote:
just buy a 500GB SSD, a UASP compatble SATA3 to USB3 / USB-C adapter,
I am playing Linux distros at the moment and having to dust off my
thumbdrives - I've found a couple with 512 MB capacity, must be ancient. >>>
Any suggestions for a good all round manufacturer/model please?
I brought a Kingston Traveller back into use but can't boot from it -
a long standing problem that somebody (in here I think) explained once.
My favourite is the Sandisk Cruzer Switch as it's fairly compact and
hinges close to keep it clean but it's not available any more -
ITHardware has an 8 GB one for £210 which I think is "refurbished".
There's also one on "OnBuy.com" but as it's the only one available
in the world I'm a bit suspicious.
Suggestions appreciated :-)
download and install Ventoy to the SSD,
Then download all your Linux distros and put onto the SSD.
Then boot from the SSD over USB... You then get a menu allowing you to
select which distro you want to boot off....
I have about 30 distros all of different versions on my 500 GB SSD.
Really much faster booting off a SSD than off a thumb drive.
Oh wow, never seen anything like that - tomorrow's project, thank you
very much :-)
On 30/11/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 30/11/2022 in message <tm8940$bnn$1@gioia.aioe.org> SH wrote:
<snip>
I just gave Ventoy a quick look and it may not be quite as 'friendly'just buy a 500GB SSD, a UASP compatble SATA3 to USB3 / USB-C adapter,
download and install Ventoy to the SSD,
Then download all your Linux distros and put onto the SSD.
Then boot from the SSD over USB... You then get a menu allowing you
to select which distro you want to boot off....
I have about 30 distros all of different versions on my 500 GB SSD.
Really much faster booting off a SSD than off a thumb drive.
Oh wow, never seen anything like that - tomorrow's project, thank you
very much :-)
(in the UI sense) to a new user as YUMI (but I'll give it a proper go
later).
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
I have around 10 OS's and utilities (Windows, Linux, CD recovery tools
etc) on several USB pendrives and it's pretty easy to add a new one or
take one off. Here is what is on one taken at random:
W10_1903_32_64_all
ubuntu-18.04.4-desktop-amd64
linuxmint-19.3-cinnamon-64bit
linuxmint-20-cinnamon-64bit
ubuntu-18.04.5-live-server-amd64
debian-live-11.0.0-amd64-lxde
linuxmint-20.2-xfce-64bit
lmde-4-cinnamon-32bit
lmde-4-cinnamon-64bit
linuxmint-20.2-cinnamon-64bit
The only problem with having it all on a single big drive (PEN or SSD in
a caddy) is when it goes wrong or if you want to lend it to a mate then
need it yourself. ;-(
I've just picked up a 128GB M.2 drive for a fiver that turned out to be
too big (physically) for my Shuttles and I was going to put it in an
external USB3 caddy and I might use that as a 'Live' Linux solution if
it's likely to be quicker than a Class10 USB drive?
Cheers, T i m
On 01/12/2022 in message <jus307Fm1thU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
Not disagreeing with your conclusion, I moved all my non-gaming to Macs >>>> in 2006, but blaming the OS itself for an optional tool's behaviour
isn't really appropriate.
Cheers - Jaimie
Don't understand that, you think Defender is an optional tool?
That it is. Disable real-time protection stops the service; remove any
scheduled scans stops it scanning.
Running Windows without real time protection sounds like suicide, surely
you wouldn't recommend it?
I've just picked up a 128GB M.2 drive for a fiver that turned out to
be too big (physically) for my Shuttles and I was going to put it in
an external USB3 caddy and I might use that as a 'Live' Linux solution
if it's likely to be quicker than a Class10 USB drive?
the point is that a SATA3 SSD or a M2 NVME in a USB-C or USB 3.1/3.2 is
going to be much faster than any USB pendrive.....
It also saves you messing about with balena etcher, rufus, unetbootin or universal USB installer and they are only really capable of putting one
ISO at a time onto a pen drive.
Ventoy supports multiple ISOs, IMGs amongst others. just simply copy
the whole iso or img file after download.
Its also a good way of reusing that SSD or NVME m2 drive that you've
replaced with a bigger one.
I had replaced my 500 GB SSD with a 1 TB M2 nvme so thats how !
repurposed the SSD to use with Ventoy and I saved money by not buying
any USB memory sticks, just the USB to SATA cable.
I've just picked up a 128GB M.2 drive for a fiver that turned out to
be too big (physically) for my Shuttles and I was going to put it in
an external USB3 caddy and I might use that as a 'Live' Linux solution
if it's likely to be quicker than a Class10 USB drive?
All good fun, I have just installed Ubuntu MATE on my ExpertBook
and am
using Remmini (an RDP program that's a million times better than the
native Windows app) to use XanaNews on my desktop PC.
I an NVMe M.2 SSD in a "proper" container connecting via USB 3 for
recording video and it's pretty fast but I suspect the speed of USB 3 is
the defining factor.
Difficult decision nowadays to buy a standard
format SSD that may become obsolescent for internal use or an NVMe M.e version.
If only Linux had a really good PIM and a news reader like XanaNews.
I will give Ventoy a go though as it sounds cool. Will it generally handle >any nominally bootable image, like Hirens or PC-Check CD images?
On 01/12/2022 19:35, SH wrote:
<snip>
I've just picked up a 128GB M.2 drive for a fiver that turned out to
be too big (physically) for my Shuttles and I was going to put it in
an external USB3 caddy and I might use that as a 'Live' Linux
solution if it's likely to be quicker than a Class10 USB drive?
the point is that a SATA3 SSD or a M2 NVME in a USB-C or USB 3.1/3.2
is going to be much faster than any USB pendrive.....
I thought it might. That said, I've run Live Linux on some USB3
pendrives (mostly for testing) and found the speed to be perfectly useable.
It also saves you messing about with balena etcher, rufus, unetbootin
or universal USB installer and they are only really capable of putting
one ISO at a time onto a pen drive.
True.
Ventoy supports multiple ISOs, IMGs amongst others. just simply copy
the whole iso or img file after download.
And do you get a real installation with persistance OOI or just a 'Live' instance?
Its also a good way of reusing that SSD or NVME m2 drive that you've
replaced with a bigger one.
Noted.
I had replaced my 500 GB SSD with a 1 TB M2 nvme so thats how !
repurposed the SSD to use with Ventoy and I saved money by not buying
any USB memory sticks, just the USB to SATA cable.
Sure and I have done the same, just that it's also handy to be able to
lend someone a USB stick with a couple of Linux distros on it and not
lose you main solution ... or when you want to be working on two
machines at once, or need to format the drive to boot into DOS to
upgrade some firmware ... ;-)
I will give Ventoy a go though as it sounds cool. Will it generally
handle *any* nominally bootable image, like Hirens or PC-Check CD images?
Cheers, T i m
On 07/12/2022 in message <jvatjkFtvcjU4@mid.individual.net> T i m wrote:
I will give Ventoy a go though as it sounds cool. Will it generally
handle any nominally bootable image, like Hirens or PC-Check CD images?
I have 3 x Linux distros, gparted bootable iso, Grub2 bootable iso,
Acronis True Image, Win 8.1 and Win 10 and they all boot!
My problem is I don't know how to use some of them :-)
If SH spots this I'd be interested to know if the partition containing
iso's on the Ventoy drive should be visible all the time even if I boot
from something else? I had my Ventoy drive set up with True Image and
the Win 10 image for my Z620 but True Image couldn't see the image. I discovered something new though, True Image was able to pick the image
up over the network, I didn't know it could do that. Learning new things
is what makes it all worthwhile :-)
On 07/12/2022 in message <jvatjkFtvcjU4@mid.individual.net> T i m wrote:
I will give Ventoy a go though as it sounds cool. Will it generally
handle any nominally bootable image, like Hirens or PC-Check CD images?
I have 3 x Linux distros, gparted bootable iso, Grub2 bootable iso,
Acronis True Image, Win 8.1 and Win 10 and they all boot!
My problem is I don't know how to use some of them :-)
If SH spots this I'd be interested to know if the partition containing
iso's on the Ventoy drive should be visible all the time even if I boot
from something else? I had my Ventoy drive set up with True Image and
the Win 10 image for my Z620 but True Image couldn't see the image.
I
discovered something new though, True Image was able to pick the image
up over the network, I didn't know it could do that. Learning new things
is what makes it all worthwhile :-)
Ventoy supports multiple ISOs, IMGs amongst others. just simply copy
the whole iso or img file after download.
And do you get a real installation with persistance OOI or just a
'Live' instance?
There are ways of providing persistence on Ventoy, I've never done it
but there are instructions on how to do it, and I think there are some limitations to which distros persistence can be provided to.
This is a good starting point:
https://ventoy.net/en/plugin_persistence.html
I will give Ventoy a go though as it sounds cool. Will it generally
handle *any* nominally bootable image, like Hirens or PC-Check CD images?
See my screenshot of all the distros and ISO's I have in my Ventoy
partition:
https://ibb.co/kHqkwBm
Another useful time saver if you use Windows at all is Ninite.... a long
list of useful utliities you can select, then Ninite will download and install all of them for you and also prevent all the "extra" "free"
software that normally is ticked by default.
I'm sure a linux user will indicate if something similar exists for Linux.
Another useful time saver if you use Windows at all is Ninite.... a
long list of useful utliities you can select, then Ninite will
download and install all of them for you and also prevent all the
"extra" "free" software that normally is ticked by default.
Yeah, the local PC shop uses or used that, typically when preparing PC's
for general sale.
I'm sure a linux user will indicate if something similar exists for
Linux.
I'm not sure if selecting a series of apps in Synaptic counts but I'm
sure you could have a batch file or script?
Cheers, T i m
The time for a permanent move to Linux is nigh, defender popped up when
I was unzipping Ventoy, it wasn't worried about Ventoy but my file
manager, written in C# with Visual Studio
On 01/12/2022 09:46, Jeff Gaines wrote:
The time for a permanent move to Linux is nigh, defender popped up when I >>was unzipping Ventoy, it wasn't worried about Ventoy but my file manager, >>written in C# with Visual Studio
And you are not interested why? As a dev, I would be.
Google "filesystemobject antivirus" or whatever.
At the very least, Defender (and every other antivirus tool out there) has >both configurable exception folders and allowable apps.
why would I be worried about it?
Jeff Gaines wrote:
why would I be worried about it?
worried about why defender objects to your code, rather than worried about >your own code?
Andy Burns wrote:
worried about why defender objects to your code, rather than worried about >> your own code?
Not sure I understand the difference but it's obviously not malware.
Jeff Gaines wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
worried about why defender objects to your code, rather than worried about >>> your own code?
Not sure I understand the difference but it's obviously not malware.
I wasn't sure whether you sold copies of your "task manager" as a
sideline, in which case I'd be concerned about the reputation of my code. >Does smartscreen warn that it's a "rarely installed" app or does defender >actively block it from running, if the latter, you could be doing
"something weird" that the heuristics checks don't like, rather than just
an accidental signature match.
On 09/12/2022 in message <jvgmklFqshfU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
wrote:
Jeff Gaines wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
worried about why defender objects to your code, rather than worried
about  your own code?
Not sure I understand the difference but it's obviously not malware.
I wasn't sure whether you sold copies of your "task manager" as a
sideline, in which case I'd be concerned about the reputation of my
code. Does smartscreen warn that it's a "rarely installed" app or does
defender actively block it from running, if the latter, you could be
doing "something weird" that the heuristics checks don't like, rather
than just an accidental signature match.
I don't sell my apps, it's purely a hobby :-) I have put a couple up on
Code Project but that was a while back.
I think I have Smartscreen turned off, certainly never seen it. Defender blocks it completely. It's a file manager and uses standard Windows
controls but makes extensive use of the API as .NET doesn't include much
on that front sadly.
Jeff, why not run up an Internet disconnected VM for your application, on
a running environment that it likes?
On 10/12/2022 in message <jvjg0aF9eujU1@mid.individual.net> Adrian
Caspersz wrote:
[snipped]
Jeff, why not run up an Internet disconnected VM for your application, on
a running environment that it likes?
I live in the app, just spent the whole morning in it! It's like Windows Explorer but has my own tweaks like simple sync, copy directory structure, create Excel Hyperlink and copy, move create link etc.
I decided that throttling Defender was the easier option :-)
I live in the app, just spent the whole morning in it! It's like Windows >>Explorer but has my own tweaks like simple sync, copy directory structure, >>create Excel Hyperlink and copy, move create link etc.
I decided that throttling Defender was the easier option :-)
Yeah, "able to touch anything in the filesystem" is an entirely legit >heuristic target for AV I'd say!
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|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 296 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 14:40:00 |
| Calls: | 6,645 |
| Files: | 12,190 |
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