• Quick question - Notepad on W10 will only run minimised - X-post

    From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to David on Sun Aug 22 17:09:23 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    David wrote:

    I can start Notepad and it appears in the task bar but it won't display on the screen.

    make sure the "invisible" notepad is selected in the taskbar,
    press alt-space and then choose either restore or maximize from the menu
    that should pop-up

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  • From David@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 22 15:37:28 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Subject says it all.
    I can start Notepad and it appears in the task bar but it won't display on
    the screen.
    No idea if this is a recent W10 "feature".
    Initial searches not helping.

    Cheers

    Dave R

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to David on Mon Aug 23 09:17:20 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote

    Subject says it all.
    I can start Notepad and it appears in the
    task bar but it won't display on the screen.

    Most likely its completely off the screen. Just use the move options.

    No idea if this is a recent W10 "feature".
    Initial searches not helping.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Aug 23 08:09:23 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Why would you want an invisible notepad to start with?
    Brian

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    David wrote:

    I can start Notepad and it appears in the task bar but it won't display
    on
    the screen.

    make sure the "invisible" notepad is selected in the taskbar,
    press alt-space and then choose either restore or maximize from the menu
    that should pop-up


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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to David on Mon Aug 23 10:56:20 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 22 Aug 2021 15:37:28 GMT, David wrote:

    Subject says it all.
    I can start Notepad and it appears in the task bar but it won't display on the screen.
    No idea if this is a recent W10 "feature".
    Initial searches not helping.

    Cheers

    Dave R

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    You can delete the Notepad entry in the registry. Next time you start
    Notepad it will get started with its default settings: https://thegeekpage.com/restore-notepad-to-its-default-settings-using-registry/

    HTH

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to David on Mon Aug 23 05:25:02 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    David wrote:
    Subject says it all.
    I can start Notepad and it appears in the task bar but it won't display on the screen.
    No idea if this is a recent W10 "feature".
    Initial searches not helping.

    Cheers

    Dave R


    You could try Task Manager - Processes_Tab - click the instance line for it - Maximize.

    https://i.postimg.cc/N0wB6xM1/Task-Manager-Process-Tab-Maximize.gif

    That's to prove it actually has a corresponding window.

    Don't ask me what to do next :-)

    I'm just trying to do something simple, to prove there
    isn't a more serious problem.

    *******

    Right now on 21H1, I can see that some incoming patch,
    is patching Notepad. Again, a state of flux exists.
    Is it installed, that patch ? Or not ? Have you rebooted
    lately and given the stupid thing a chance to finish
    whatever mess it got itself into ?

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/august-10-2021-kb5005033-os-builds-19041-1165-19042-1165-and-19043-1165-b4c77d08-435a-4833-b9f7-e092372079a4

    If the machine had been turned off for a while, that
    might have just arrived. This is a file which lists
    every file included in the KB5005033.

    https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/e/e/1eeb7268-cb6a-4865-a98b-9c51f0ec7beb/5005033.csv

    Notepad.exe 10.0.19041.1081 218624 bytes

    *******

    My notepad is functional. This is what Spy++ shows.

    https://i.postimg.cc/VNyg0kq5/spy-notepad-details.gif

    Under the green "Code" button here, is a "Download ZIP" option.
    The ZIP I got, has a "spy14.00.25420" folder in it. The
    "spyxx_amd64.exe" is for an x64 OS. The "spyxx.exe" is
    for a x86 (32bit) OS.

    https://github.com/westoncampbell/SpyPlusPlus

    If you run that on Win7 or Win8, you'll need "two clumps
    of DLLs". Since we're discussing Win10 right now, I
    won't go into the misery of satisfying the extra passengers
    that need to be thrown into the folder. Suffice to say,
    some of the daily utilities we use, like Firefox, actually
    have one of the clumps of DLLs installed with them. The
    other bunch is a Visual Studio runtime (the files all have
    the same name but are different versions, the most recent
    versions contain multiple versions of files).

    In Win10, "spyxx_amd64.exe" should "just work". Double-click.

    In any case, you have two things. You have the Task Manager
    knob, to try to get the window to appear. And running the
    "spyxx_amd64.exe" by double-clicking, compare to my
    [working] Notepad example, and see if there really is
    a window listed for it. If your entry doesn't match mine,
    that would be a bad sign. And you can't really make
    a program do the right thing -- you could try elevating
    Notepad, which Notepad does not mind. But things like
    session number protection (where a program is in a
    different "session" than the display manager), you can
    be blocked then, from opening windows, which would be
    an excellent reason for a window to be absent. You would
    think any decent application would just exit, if denied
    access to the display.

    Paul

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  • From Another Dave@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Sep 19 17:00:20 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 23/08/2021 10:25, Paul wrote:
    David wrote:
    Subject says it all.
    I can start Notepad and it appears in the task bar but it won't
    display on the screen.
    No idea if this is a recent W10 "feature".
    Initial searches not helping.

    Cheers

    Dave R


    You could try Task Manager - Processes_Tab - click the instance line for
    it - Maximize.

      https://i.postimg.cc/N0wB6xM1/Task-Manager-Process-Tab-Maximize.gif

    That's to prove it actually has a corresponding window.

    Don't ask me what to do next :-)

    I'm just trying to do something simple, to prove there
    isn't a more serious problem.

    *******

    Right now on 21H1, I can see that some incoming patch,
    is patching Notepad. Again, a state of flux exists.
    Is it installed, that patch ? Or not ? Have you rebooted
    lately and given the stupid thing a chance to finish
    whatever mess it got itself into ?

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/august-10-2021-kb5005033-os-builds-19041-1165-19042-1165-and-19043-1165-b4c77d08-435a-4833-b9f7-e092372079a4


    If the machine had been turned off for a while, that
    might have just arrived. This is a file which lists
    every file included in the KB5005033.

    https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/e/e/1eeb7268-cb6a-4865-a98b-9c51f0ec7beb/5005033.csv


        Notepad.exe   10.0.19041.1081  218624 bytes

    *******

    My notepad is functional. This is what Spy++ shows.

      https://i.postimg.cc/VNyg0kq5/spy-notepad-details.gif

    Under the green "Code" button here, is a "Download ZIP" option.
    The ZIP I got, has a "spy14.00.25420" folder in it. The
    "spyxx_amd64.exe" is for an x64 OS. The "spyxx.exe" is
    for a x86 (32bit) OS.

    https://github.com/westoncampbell/SpyPlusPlus

    If you run that on Win7 or Win8, you'll need "two clumps
    of DLLs". Since we're discussing Win10 right now, I
    won't go into the misery of satisfying the extra passengers
    that need to be thrown into the folder. Suffice to say,
    some of the daily utilities we use, like Firefox, actually
    have one of the clumps of DLLs installed with them. The
    other bunch is a Visual Studio runtime (the files all have
    the same name but are different versions, the most recent
    versions contain multiple versions of files).

    In Win10, "spyxx_amd64.exe" should "just work". Double-click.

    In any case, you have two things. You have the Task Manager
    knob, to try to get the window to appear. And running the
    "spyxx_amd64.exe" by double-clicking, compare to my
    [working] Notepad example, and see if there really is
    a window listed for it. If your entry doesn't match mine,
    that would be a bad sign. And you can't really make
    a program do the right thing -- you could try elevating
    Notepad, which Notepad does not mind. But things like
    session number protection (where a program is in a
    different "session" than the display manager), you can
    be blocked then, from opening windows, which would be
    an excellent reason for a window to be absent. You would
    think any decent application would just exit, if denied
    access to the display.

       Paul

    And this simpler than Linux? ;-(

    Another Dave

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  • From Another Dave@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Sep 19 17:02:31 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 23/08/2021 10:25, Paul wrote:
    David wrote:
    Subject says it all.
    I can start Notepad and it appears in the task bar but it won't
    display on the screen.
    No idea if this is a recent W10 "feature".
    Initial searches not helping.

    Cheers

    Dave R


    You could try Task Manager - Processes_Tab - click the instance line for
    it - Maximize.

      https://i.postimg.cc/N0wB6xM1/Task-Manager-Process-Tab-Maximize.gif

    That's to prove it actually has a corresponding window.

    Don't ask me what to do next :-)

    I'm just trying to do something simple, to prove there
    isn't a more serious problem.

    *******

    Right now on 21H1, I can see that some incoming patch,
    is patching Notepad. Again, a state of flux exists.
    Is it installed, that patch ? Or not ? Have you rebooted
    lately and given the stupid thing a chance to finish
    whatever mess it got itself into ?

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/august-10-2021-kb5005033-os-builds-19041-1165-19042-1165-and-19043-1165-b4c77d08-435a-4833-b9f7-e092372079a4


    If the machine had been turned off for a while, that
    might have just arrived. This is a file which lists
    every file included in the KB5005033.

    https://download.microsoft.com/download/1/e/e/1eeb7268-cb6a-4865-a98b-9c51f0ec7beb/5005033.csv


        Notepad.exe   10.0.19041.1081  218624 bytes

    *******

    My notepad is functional. This is what Spy++ shows.

      https://i.postimg.cc/VNyg0kq5/spy-notepad-details.gif

    Under the green "Code" button here, is a "Download ZIP" option.
    The ZIP I got, has a "spy14.00.25420" folder in it. The
    "spyxx_amd64.exe" is for an x64 OS. The "spyxx.exe" is
    for a x86 (32bit) OS.

    https://github.com/westoncampbell/SpyPlusPlus

    If you run that on Win7 or Win8, you'll need "two clumps
    of DLLs". Since we're discussing Win10 right now, I
    won't go into the misery of satisfying the extra passengers
    that need to be thrown into the folder. Suffice to say,
    some of the daily utilities we use, like Firefox, actually
    have one of the clumps of DLLs installed with them. The
    other bunch is a Visual Studio runtime (the files all have
    the same name but are different versions, the most recent
    versions contain multiple versions of files).

    In Win10, "spyxx_amd64.exe" should "just work". Double-click.

    In any case, you have two things. You have the Task Manager
    knob, to try to get the window to appear. And running the
    "spyxx_amd64.exe" by double-clicking, compare to my
    [working] Notepad example, and see if there really is
    a window listed for it. If your entry doesn't match mine,
    that would be a bad sign. And you can't really make
    a program do the right thing -- you could try elevating
    Notepad, which Notepad does not mind. But things like
    session number protection (where a program is in a
    different "session" than the display manager), you can
    be blocked then, from opening windows, which would be
    an excellent reason for a window to be absent. You would
    think any decent application would just exit, if denied
    access to the display.

       Paul

    And this is simpler than Linux? ;-(

    Another Dave

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