• Graphics card to support 4k

    From David@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 15 20:25:47 2022
    For a long time I have been running a dual monitor system with a Full HD
    22" and a "less than" smaller monitor (Dell 1505FP) off my Nvidia GeForce
    710.

    I am used to this, and would like to retain the extra footprint.

    The obvious step would be a 4k monitor which works well for me off my
    laptop, as 4k monitors seem relatively cheap at the moment (or at least
    TVs are) but my graphics card won't support that resolution.

    Any recommendations for a suitable graphics card?


    Cheers



    Dave R


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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to David on Wed Nov 16 07:21:43 2022
    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    For a long time I have been running a dual monitor system with a Full HD
    22" and a "less than" smaller monitor (Dell 1505FP) off my Nvidia GeForce 710.

    I am used to this, and would like to retain the extra footprint.

    The obvious step would be a 4k monitor which works well for me off my
    laptop, as 4k monitors seem relatively cheap at the moment (or at least
    TVs are) but my graphics card won't support that resolution.

    Any recommendations for a suitable graphics card?

    Any 10 series nvidia card.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Nov 16 10:40:42 2022
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    For a long time I have been running a dual monitor system with a Full HD 22" and a "less than" smaller monitor (Dell 1505FP) off my Nvidia GeForce 710.

    I am used to this, and would like to retain the extra footprint.

    The obvious step would be a 4k monitor which works well for me off my laptop, as 4k monitors seem relatively cheap at the moment (or at least
    TVs are) but my graphics card won't support that resolution.

    Any recommendations for a suitable graphics card?

    Any 10 series nvidia card.

    It's worth checking outputs - some older/lower end cards will do 4K on Displayport but not HDMI. Some TVs need HDMI 2.0 rather than HDMI 1.4, or
    will only do 4K at 30Hz over HDMI 1.4.

    But these were the problems in the ~2014 timeframe, so I expect just buying
    a new enough card (10 series sounds good) will probably avoid them.

    Theo

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Nov 16 11:49:26 2022
    Theo wrote:

    It's worth checking outputs - some older/lower end cards will do 4K on Displayport but not HDMI. Some TVs need HDMI 2.0 rather than HDMI 1.4, or will only do 4K at 30Hz over HDMI 1.4.

    Yes, I got bitten by that earlier in the year, had a 27" 3K monitor but wanted more screen real estate, went for a 32" 4K, I use a DP KVM, but laptop would only work at 4K@30 on HDMI, tried a USB3 DP dongle, but it was slow and flaky.

    Have had to live with it like that for a few months, but now replacing laptop with a thunderbolt4 model (and probably a suitable dock, though the monitor can power the laptop over the USB-altmode connection) ... it's the fuchsia.

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Nov 16 20:40:37 2022
    On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 07:21:43 +0000, Chris wrote:

    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    For a long time I have been running a dual monitor system with a Full
    HD 22" and a "less than" smaller monitor (Dell 1505FP) off my Nvidia
    GeForce 710.

    I am used to this, and would like to retain the extra footprint.

    The obvious step would be a 4k monitor which works well for me off my
    laptop, as 4k monitors seem relatively cheap at the moment (or at least
    TVs are) but my graphics card won't support that resolution.

    Any recommendations for a suitable graphics card?

    Any 10 series nvidia card.

    I was afraid of that.

    Around £170.

    Then £2-300 for the monitor.

    The mother board is PCI_Express 2.0.
    The cards are PCI Express 3.0
    I assume that they would run but at reduced performance, which leaves the maximum resolution in question.

    Looks as though I may have to suck up the loss of the screen (perhaps it
    can be fixed) or look for a 15" monitor.


    Cheers


    Dave R


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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to David on Thu Nov 17 11:10:46 2022
    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    The mother board is PCI_Express 2.0.
    The cards are PCI Express 3.0
    I assume that they would run but at reduced performance, which leaves the maximum resolution in question.

    They should be fine running at the slower Gen2. It won't affect the maximum resolution, but might affect the maximum FPS when gaming.
    (although quite possibly not, in real use)

    Looks as though I may have to suck up the loss of the screen (perhaps it
    can be fixed) or look for a 15" monitor.

    I'd look for monitor options, then see what kind of inputs they have. Then
    you know whether you need Displayport or HDMI, and what versions are expected. Then see what kind of GPU you can set. What's the budget?

    Another wrinkle is that HDMI has various chroma options - 4:2:0, 4:2:2,
    4:4:4 - which are about the amount of colour information sent with each
    pixel brightness. 4:4:4 is 'full resolution' while the others involve some merging of colour across adjacent pixels - this tends to cause a smeary
    effect especially on small coloured text (like terminal windows where you
    might have red text on blue background - it ends up unreadable brown).

    Going to lower chroma reduces the bandwidth, so for example you might do 4K@60Hz on HDMI 1.4, but at 4:2:2 chroma which causes the colour smudging.
    If told to do 4K@30Hz it'll be able to do 4:4:4 and have clearer colours.

    For nvidia stuff, most of the GTX?50 series (650, 750, etc) and above can do 4K@30Hz 4:4:4 on HDMI 1.4, and I think Displayport has a bit better support.
    I don't remember when they started supporting HDMI 2.0 - that likely gives
    you more options.

    I get the impression AMD cards supported HDMI 2.0 earlier and even a lower
    end card could do 4K with no issues, but I haven't much experience with
    them.

    TL;DR: look for a card with HDMI 2.0 and see if that supports what you want.

    Theo

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Mar 20 18:09:36 2023
    On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 07:21:43 +0000, Chris wrote:

    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    For a long time I have been running a dual monitor system with a Full
    HD 22" and a "less than" smaller monitor (Dell 1505FP) off my Nvidia
    GeForce 710.

    I am used to this, and would like to retain the extra footprint.

    The obvious step would be a 4k monitor which works well for me off my
    laptop, as 4k monitors seem relatively cheap at the moment (or at least
    TVs are) but my graphics card won't support that resolution.

    Any recommendations for a suitable graphics card?

    Any 10 series nvidia card.

    Just started looking.

    <https://www.palit.com/palit/vgapro.php? id=2719&lang=en&pn=NE5105T018G1-1076F&tab=sp>

    Offered on eBay for not a massive amount compared to the 8GB 1070s.

    Does this look a reasonable solution to my needs?

    HDMI 2.0b

    Cheers


    Dave R


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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to David on Mon Mar 20 18:54:32 2023
    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 07:21:43 +0000, Chris wrote:

    David <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote:
    For a long time I have been running a dual monitor system with a Full
    HD 22" and a "less than" smaller monitor (Dell 1505FP) off my Nvidia
    GeForce 710.

    I am used to this, and would like to retain the extra footprint.

    The obvious step would be a 4k monitor which works well for me off my
    laptop, as 4k monitors seem relatively cheap at the moment (or at least
    TVs are) but my graphics card won't support that resolution.

    Any recommendations for a suitable graphics card?

    Any 10 series nvidia card.

    Just started looking.

    <https://www.palit.com/palit/vgapro.php? id=2719&lang=en&pn=NE5105T018G1-1076F&tab=sp>

    Offered on eBay for not a massive amount compared to the 8GB 1070s.

    Does this look a reasonable solution to my needs?

    HDMI 2.0b

    I'm not sure how many monitors you're planning to connect, but that has HDMI 2.0 and Displayport, so that should be good for at least two. Dual link DVI
    is only good up to about 2560x1600, so that would be a limitation if you
    needed a third port.

    Assuming you have the right connections to the monitors, that card looks
    fine to me.

    Theo

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