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  • Re: Windows 10 Latest

    From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Oct 26 11:05:12 2022
    On 26/10/2022 10:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    The latest viruses Win 10 has found are:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\EXCEL.EXE
    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\WINWORD.EXE

    Some people may well agree with this!

    I am tossing up whether to put 8.1 on my Dell 2800, it didn't used to
    throw up crap like this.

    Nope, just investigate and fix the problem. As a dev, it must be
    interesting surely to investigate? I've mentioned heuristics before...

    Does your development environment need to be on the same machine that
    day to day gets used for internet surfing, wibbling and whatnot?

    I use multiple virtual machines hosted on a server, and on some of those
    I don't bother with active virus scanning, just patching with windows
    updates which runs the MS malicious tool monthly.

    Microsoft OS builds (enterprise and server) are available for free test
    and development, I use them with automated build sequences (puppet, investigating Ansible/AWX) and are normally done with them in 180 days
    (though that can be extended a few times).

    It's no problem running a desktop experience GUI on Window Server, and
    ye get to dismiss some (not all) of the consumer junk doing that. Group
    Policy control helps.

    VM hosting Servers can be small, apart from Rasp PI, I have Proxmox
    running on a Lenovo M72 "TinyMiniMicro" drawing not much to be that
    worried 24/7 with power costs these days. But would be a challenge if
    the dev environment is heavy full fat MS.

    I have a basket case Debian 11 VM running a lot of Microsoft PowerShell
    code on the free Visual Studio Code editor thing. Spinning some Linux
    people in their graves, that abomination. But for me it's fast for web
    dev. Got fed up with Jekyll so writing my own :)

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 26 09:17:54 2022
    The latest viruses Win 10 has found are:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\EXCEL.EXE
    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\WINWORD.EXE

    Some people may well agree with this!

    I am tossing up whether to put 8.1 on my Dell 2800, it didn't used to
    throw up crap like this.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Caspersz on Wed Oct 26 10:58:51 2022
    On 26/10/2022 in message <jrsf2oFl4i6U1@mid.individual.net> Adrian
    Caspersz wrote:


    The latest viruses Win 10 has found are:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\EXCEL.EXE
    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\WINWORD.EXE

    Some people may well agree with this!

    I am tossing up whether to put 8.1 on my Dell 2800, it didn't used to
    throw up crap like this.

    Nope, just investigate and fix the problem. As a dev, it must be
    interesting surely to investigate? I've mentioned heuristics before...

    I can't do much to investigate MSFT Excel and MSFT Word.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Here we go it's getting close, now it's just who wants it most.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 26 14:17:54 2022
    Am 26.10.2022 um 09:17:54 Uhr schrieb Jeff Gaines:

    The latest viruses Win 10 has found are:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\EXCEL.EXE
    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\WINWORD.EXE

    There is LibreOffice, you don't need to use MS Office.

    Some people may well agree with this!

    I am tossing up whether to put 8.1 on my Dell 2800, it didn't used to
    throw up crap like this.

    8.1's EoL is in near future. If you don't like Windows 10, start
    learning Linux.

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Wed Oct 26 13:48:06 2022
    On 26/10/2022 10:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    The latest viruses Win 10 has found are:


    Is this Defender?



    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\EXCEL.EXE
    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\WINWORD.EXE

    Some people may well agree with this!

    I am tossing up whether to put 8.1 on my Dell 2800, it didn't used to
    throw up crap like this.


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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to tjbaa4$2ffpj$3@dont-email.me on Wed Oct 26 13:34:48 2022
    On 26/10/2022 in message <tjbaa4$2ffpj$3@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    On 26/10/2022 10:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    The latest viruses Win 10 has found are:


    Is this Defender?

    Presumably, it's whatever Win 10 comes with.


    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Every day is a good day for chicken, unless you're a chicken.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Thu Oct 27 08:17:43 2022
    On 26/10/2022 in message <tjb8hi$2f68p$1@dont-email.me> Marco Moock wrote:

    Am 26.10.2022 um 09:17:54 Uhr schrieb Jeff Gaines:
    I am tossing up whether to put 8.1 on my Dell 2800, it didn't used to
    throw up crap like this.

    8.1's EoL is in near future. If you don't like Windows 10, start
    learning Linux.

    I decided on Windows over 30 years ago now, bought an Elonex which came
    with Windows 286 and a free upgrade to Windows 3 which I tried. I also
    tried OS/2 and was a whiz at installing Slackware (from 20 floppies).

    To me Linux is great if you want to play with an OS but I use my various
    PCs and apps are much more important.

    I haven's seen Wine for a while, has it moved on from alpha to beta yet?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day.
    Tomorrow, isn't looking good either.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to tjdqhm$2ojp5$2@dont-email.me on Thu Oct 27 12:14:17 2022
    On 27/10/2022 in message <tjdqhm$2ojp5$2@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    On 26/10/2022 14:34, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 26/10/2022 in message <tjbaa4$2ffpj$3@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    On 26/10/2022 10:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    The latest viruses Win 10 has found are:


    Is this Defender?

    Presumably, it's whatever Win 10 comes with.


    You are free to install a different AV of your choice.

    You seemed to imply that you thought the AV built into W8.1 would be
    better in some way. Do you have any reason to think it's actually
    different at all?

    As I said to Jaimie experience shows it doesn't come up with all the false negatives that Win 10 does.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    There are 10 types of people in the world, those who do binary and those
    who don't.

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Thu Oct 27 12:37:27 2022
    On 26/10/2022 14:34, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 26/10/2022 in message <tjbaa4$2ffpj$3@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    On 26/10/2022 10:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    The latest viruses Win 10 has found are:


    Is this Defender?

    Presumably, it's whatever Win 10 comes with.


    You are free to install a different AV of your choice.

    You seemed to imply that you thought the AV built into W8.1 would be
    better in some way. Do you have any reason to think it's actually
    different at all?

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Thu Oct 27 15:34:02 2022
    On 27/10/2022 13:14, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 27/10/2022 in message <tjdqhm$2ojp5$2@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    On 26/10/2022 14:34, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 26/10/2022 in message <tjbaa4$2ffpj$3@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    On 26/10/2022 10:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    The latest viruses Win 10 has found are:


    Is this Defender?

    Presumably, it's whatever Win 10 comes with.


    You are free to install a different AV of your choice.

    You seemed to imply that you thought the AV built into W8.1 would be
    better in some way. Do you have any reason to think it's actually
    different at all?

    As I said to Jaimie experience shows it doesn't come up with all the
    false negatives that Win 10 does.



    You might have different settings on 8.1? That might be by default. I
    just find it difficult to believe that MS have two entirely different
    antivirus programmes.

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Thu Oct 27 18:48:42 2022
    On 26/10/2022 11:58, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Nope, just investigate and fix the problem. As a dev, it must be
    interesting surely to investigate? I've mentioned heuristics before...

    I can't do much to investigate MSFT Excel and MSFT Word.


    Google says probably a VBA add-in. Try disabling them? Or you have a VBA
    macro virus infection from somewhere.

    If you do track down a file that you know is not a problem, you can just
    add it as an exclusion.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/add-an-exclusion-to-windows-security-811816c0-4dfd-af4a-47e4-c301afe13b26

    A lot easier than, erm, throwing out the baby with the bathwater?

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Thu Oct 27 18:24:05 2022
    On 26/10/2022 11:58, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 26/10/2022 in message <jrsf2oFl4i6U1@mid.individual.net> Adrian
    Caspersz wrote:


    The latest viruses Win 10 has found are:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\EXCEL.EXE
    C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office\WINWORD.EXE

    Some people may well agree with this!

    I am tossing up whether to put 8.1 on my Dell 2800, it didn't used to
    throw up crap like this.

    Nope, just investigate and fix the problem. As a dev, it must be
    interesting surely to investigate? I've mentioned heuristics before...

    I can't do much to investigate MSFT Excel and MSFT Word.



    --
    Adrian C

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Caspersz on Thu Oct 27 18:44:14 2022
    On 27/10/2022 in message <jrvujrFevo4U1@mid.individual.net> Adrian
    Caspersz wrote:

    On 26/10/2022 11:58, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Nope, just investigate and fix the problem. As a dev, it must be >>>interesting surely to investigate? I've mentioned heuristics before...

    I can't do much to investigate MSFT Excel and MSFT Word.


    Google says probably a VBA add-in. Try disabling them? Or you have a VBA >macro virus infection from somewhere.

    If you do track down a file that you know is not a problem, you can just
    add it as an exclusion.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/add-an-exclusion-to-windows-security-811816c0-4dfd-af4a-47e4-c301afe13b26

    A lot easier than, erm, throwing out the baby with the bathwater?

    It's already thrown, much easier to stick 8.1 on than play silly buggers
    with 10.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 2 19:15:17 2022
    Am 27.10.2022 um 08:17:43 Uhr schrieb Jeff Gaines:

    I haven's seen Wine for a while, has it moved on from alpha to beta
    yet?

    Wine isn't something for productive work. It works well with many old applications for 98 or XP, but current applications mostly don't work
    as expected.

    Use native Linux applications or web applications instead.

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