• Re: M2 SSD or Standard SSD

    From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 15 10:55:27 2022
    Am 15.10.2022 um 08:47:30 Uhr schrieb Jeff Gaines:

    I need to take it apart and reinstall Windows to make it mine. It has
    an M2 256 GB SATA drive and will also take an ordinary internal SSD,
    I want to got to 512 GB. It seems to me there's no speed difference
    between the M2 (AS SSD benchmark produces around 500 Mb/s) and a
    traditional SSD. There's a wider choice of manufacturers for the
    normal SSD, pretty well only Integral for the M2.

    Any thoughts?

    There are M2 SSDs that support NVME, some of them are faster than
    normal SATA drives. But be aware, there are "SATA" drives for M2 slots
    too.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 15 08:47:30 2022
    My Dell M6800 arrived yesterday, a monster but a fabulous keyboard!

    I need to take it apart and reinstall Windows to make it mine. It has an
    M2 256 GB SATA drive and will also take an ordinary internal SSD, I want
    to got to 512 GB. It seems to me there's no speed difference between the
    M2 (AS SSD benchmark produces around 500 Mb/s) and a traditional SSD.
    There's a wider choice of manufacturers for the normal SSD, pretty well
    only Integral for the M2.

    Any thoughts?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Those are my principles – and if you don’t like them, well, I have others. (Groucho Marx)

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Sat Oct 15 09:19:17 2022
    On 15/10/2022 in message <tidshv$2itg9$7@dont-email.me> Marco Moock wrote:

    Am 15.10.2022 um 08:47:30 Uhr schrieb Jeff Gaines:

    I need to take it apart and reinstall Windows to make it mine. It has
    an M2 256 GB SATA drive and will also take an ordinary internal SSD,
    I want to got to 512 GB. It seems to me there's no speed difference
    between the M2 (AS SSD benchmark produces around 500 Mb/s) and a >>traditional SSD. There's a wider choice of manufacturers for the
    normal SSD, pretty well only Integral for the M2.

    Any thoughts?

    There are M2 SSDs that support NVME, some of them are faster than
    normal SATA drives. But be aware, there are "SATA" drives for M2 slots
    too.

    The manual says:

    two internal 2.5 inch SATA HDD/SSD (SATA3) + one mSATA SSD (SATA2)

    So it seems there may be a small advantage in going for a SATA 3 normal
    SSD with a wider choice of makes.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.
    (Ken Olson, president Digital Equipment, 1977)

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sat Oct 15 12:37:17 2022
    On 15/10/2022 10:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    So it seems there may be a small advantage in going for a SATA 3 normal
    SSD with a wider choice of makes.


    Whilst you might notice the difference with a benchmark programme, or
    possibly even with a very accurate stopwatch, the machine will have died
    long before you could recoup the time already spent thinking about it. :)

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to tie61d$2n0kp$1@dont-email.me on Sat Oct 15 13:01:21 2022
    On 15/10/2022 in message <tie61d$2n0kp$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    On 15/10/2022 10:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    So it seems there may be a small advantage in going for a SATA 3 normal
    SSD with a wider choice of makes.


    Whilst you might notice the difference with a benchmark programme, or >possibly even with a very accurate stopwatch, the machine will have died
    long before you could recoup the time already spent thinking about it. :)

    I wanted to check what an M2 SSD was and this group can be helpful with
    that sort of thing.

    Anyway tis done, BIOS switched to AHCI from RAID (it actually takes 2
    drives as well as the M2 SSD), Win 10 reinstalled to MBR so it can't
    "update" to Win 11 and the drivers being updated from the Dell site as I
    type!

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk on Sat Oct 15 13:52:41 2022
    On 15 Oct 2022 at 14:01:21 BST, ""Jeff Gaines""
    <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    On 15/10/2022 in message <tie61d$2n0kp$1@dont-email.me> GB wrote:

    On 15/10/2022 10:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    So it seems there may be a small advantage in going for a SATA 3 normal
    SSD with a wider choice of makes.


    Whilst you might notice the difference with a benchmark programme, or
    possibly even with a very accurate stopwatch, the machine will have died
    long before you could recoup the time already spent thinking about it. :)

    I wanted to check what an M2 SSD was and this group can be helpful with
    that sort of thing.

    m.2 SATA drives are just the same as normal-sata SSDs, in a different
    shape. Go for whichever you prefer.

    m.2 NVMe drives can be up to 8x faster than either.

    Anyway tis done, BIOS switched to AHCI from RAID (it actually takes 2
    drives as well as the M2 SSD), Win 10 reinstalled to MBR so it can't
    "update" to Win 11 and the drivers being updated from the Dell site as I type!

    Oh, sneaky! 11 is GPT only then?

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    "But people have always eaten people!
    What else is there to eat?
    If the Juju had meant us not to eat people
    He wouldn't have made us of meat!"
    -- Flanders & Swann

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Vandenbergh on Sat Oct 15 15:00:33 2022
    On 15/10/2022 in message <jqvs99F78gsU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie
    Vandenbergh wrote:

    I wanted to check what an M2 SSD was and this group can be helpful with >>that sort of thing.

    m.2 SATA drives are just the same as normal-sata SSDs, in a different
    shape. Go for whichever you prefer.

    I went for conventional shape SSD as I feel M2 SSDs are close to obsolete.

    m.2 NVMe drives can be up to 8x faster than either.

    Too old for one of them!


    Anyway tis done, BIOS switched to AHCI from RAID (it actually takes 2 >>drives as well as the M2 SSD), Win 10 reinstalled to MBR so it can't >>"update" to Win 11 and the drivers being updated from the Dell site as I >>type!

    Oh, sneaky! 11 is GPT only then?

    Secure boot and TPM 2, doesn't like my processor either!

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Sun Oct 16 15:55:05 2022
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    The manual says:
    two internal 2.5 inch SATA HDD/SSD (SATA3) + one mSATA SSD (SATA2)

    note that mSATA isn't M.2

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 16 15:10:51 2022
    On 16/10/2022 in message <jr2ka9Flg7vU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
    wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    The manual says:
    two internal 2.5 inch SATA HDD/SSD (SATA3) + one mSATA SSD (SATA2)

    note that mSATA isn't M.2

    Indeed, I wouldn't have needed to ask the question if one option was five
    times faster than the other :-)

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    I've been through the desert on a horse with no name.
    It was a right bugger to get him back when he ran off.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Oct 17 17:47:27 2022
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    note that mSATA isn't M.2

    Indeed, I wouldn't have needed to ask the question if one option was five times
    faster than the other :-)

    Just curious why you mentioned M.2 in relation to a machine that can't accept one?

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 17 18:33:34 2022
    On 17/10/2022 in message <jr5f91F4eikU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
    wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    note that mSATA isn't M.2

    Indeed, I wouldn't have needed to ask the question if one option was five >>times faster than the other :-)

    Just curious why you mentioned M.2 in relation to a machine that can't
    accept one?

    Probably just haste. I quoted from the manual:

    two internal 2.5 inch SATA HDD/SSD (SATA3) + one mSATA SSD (SATA2)

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Remember, the Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Oct 17 20:06:21 2022
    On 17/10/2022 in message <tikbld$3h1hr$1@dont-email.me> Chris wrote:

    I went for conventional shape SSD as I feel M2 SSDs are close to obsolete.

    Er. I think you've got it the wrong way round.

    Sorry, I got my M.2 and mSATA confused. I've never come across mSata and
    don't think it makes sense to now.

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    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his
    life.
    (Jeremy Thorpe, 1962)

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Oct 17 19:50:06 2022
    Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    On 15/10/2022 in message <jqvs99F78gsU1@mid.individual.net> Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

    I wanted to check what an M2 SSD was and this group can be helpful with
    that sort of thing.

    m.2 SATA drives are just the same as normal-sata SSDs, in a different
    shape. Go for whichever you prefer.

    I went for conventional shape SSD as I feel M2 SSDs are close to obsolete.

    Er. I think you've got it the wrong way round.

    Conventional SSDs are limited to the SATA interface. M.2 can sit directly
    on PCI-E which is where the real speed increases come from.

    m.2 NVMe drives can be up to 8x faster than either.

    Too old for one of them!


    Anyway tis done, BIOS switched to AHCI from RAID (it actually takes 2
    drives as well as the M2 SSD), Win 10 reinstalled to MBR so it can't
    "update" to Win 11 and the drivers being updated from the Dell site as I >>> type!

    Oh, sneaky! 11 is GPT only then?

    Secure boot and TPM 2, doesn't like my processor either!


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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to David on Mon Oct 17 20:37:35 2022
    On 17/10/2022 in message <jr5s0nFcc49U2@mid.individual.net> David wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 18:33:34 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    On 17/10/2022 in message <jr5f91F4eikU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns >>wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    note that mSATA isn't M.2

    Indeed, I wouldn't have needed to ask the question if one option was >>>>five times faster than the other :-)

    Just curious why you mentioned M.2 in relation to a machine that can't >>>accept one?

    Probably just haste. I quoted from the manual:

    two internal 2.5 inch SATA HDD/SSD (SATA3) + one mSATA SSD (SATA2)

    Made me look it up, but m(mini)SATA is a predecessor of M.2.
    If you want an extra drive it is usable, but noting the SATA2 interface it >will be slower than the SATA SSD on the SATA3 interface.

    Good, that was my thinking and why I went for a conventional SSD on the
    SATA3 connector :-)

    I can see it being useful as a system drive if you are running 2 * SSD as
    a RAID pair data drive but as far as I can tell you aren't proposing to.

    Suggests that it was a high specification machine in its day.

    I love these older machines, you can take them apart, put them together,
    built like tanks and heavy as hell!!!


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    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his friends for his
    life.
    (Jeremy Thorpe, 1962)

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  • From David@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Oct 17 20:24:55 2022
    On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 18:33:34 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    On 17/10/2022 in message <jr5f91F4eikU1@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
    wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    note that mSATA isn't M.2

    Indeed, I wouldn't have needed to ask the question if one option was
    five times faster than the other :-)

    Just curious why you mentioned M.2 in relation to a machine that can't >>accept one?

    Probably just haste. I quoted from the manual:

    two internal 2.5 inch SATA HDD/SSD (SATA3) + one mSATA SSD (SATA2)

    Made me look it up, but m(mini)SATA is a predecessor of M.2.
    If you want an extra drive it is usable, but noting the SATA2 interface it
    will be slower than the SATA SSD on the SATA3 interface.

    I can see it being useful as a system drive if you are running 2 * SSD as
    a RAID pair data drive but as far as I can tell you aren't proposing to.

    Suggests that it was a high specification machine in its day.

    Cheers


    Dave R

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