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  • Re: Hardware cupboard cooling

    From GB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 19 14:49:07 2022
    On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
    My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
    as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
    disconnects in the log.

    Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
    to work.

    Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
    solutions?

    Yes, a fan.


    Actually, I probably meant "No, a fan." I'm not experiencing that
    problem, but, if I were, I expect a fan would solve it.

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Pancho on Tue Jul 19 14:40:20 2022
    On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
    My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested as
    one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
    disconnects in the log.

    Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems to work.

    Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
    solutions?

    Yes, a fan.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Pancho@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 19 15:05:48 2022
    On 19/07/2022 14:49, GB wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
    My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
    as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
    disconnects in the log.

    Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
    to work.

    Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
    solutions?

    Yes, a fan.


    Actually, I probably meant "No, a fan."  I'm not experiencing that
    problem, but, if I were, I expect a fan would solve it.



    A fan built in the device itself, sure. Like with PC cases, CPUs,
    etc..., but these are passively cooled. I'm not sure an external fan
    would make that much difference, I'm not sure if the air flow would get
    though the casing.

    It's not something I've really experienced before.

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  • From Pancho@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 19 14:34:46 2022
    My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested as
    one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
    disconnects in the log.

    Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems to
    work.

    Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
    solutions?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid on Tue Jul 19 15:35:23 2022
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
    My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
    as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
    disconnects in the log.

    Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
    to work.

    Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
    solutions?

    Yes, a fan.


    Actually, I probably meant "No, a fan." I'm not experiencing that
    problem, but, if I were, I expect a fan would solve it.

    You can get fans designed for hardware cupboards: https://acinfinity.com/component-cooling/closet-fan-systems/airframe-t7-black-av-equipment-closet-and-room-fan-system-17-exhaust/
    https://acinfinity.com/component-cooling/cabinet-fan-systems/airplate-s2-home-theater-and-av-cabinet-quiet-cooling-blower-system-6-inch/
    (sold on Amazon UK)

    Theo

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Pancho on Tue Jul 19 15:58:01 2022
    On 19/07/2022 15:05, Pancho wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:49, GB wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
    My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
    as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
    disconnects in the log.

    Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router,
    seems to work.

    Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
    solutions?

    Yes, a fan.


    Actually, I probably meant "No, a fan."  I'm not experiencing that
    problem, but, if I were, I expect a fan would solve it.



    A fan built in the device itself, sure. Like with PC cases, CPUs,
    etc..., but these are passively cooled. I'm not sure an external fan
    would make that much difference, I'm not sure if the air flow would get though the casing.

    It's not something I've really experienced before.


    Do you remember Amstrad building fans into everything? A decent fan
    playing on the surface of the router will have a dramatic effect.
    HOPEFULLY! :)

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  • From Pancho@21:1/5 to Theo on Tue Jul 19 16:03:59 2022
    On 19/07/2022 15:35, Theo wrote:
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
    My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
    as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
    disconnects in the log.

    Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
    to work.

    Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
    solutions?

    Yes, a fan.


    Actually, I probably meant "No, a fan." I'm not experiencing that
    problem, but, if I were, I expect a fan would solve it.

    You can get fans designed for hardware cupboards: https://acinfinity.com/component-cooling/closet-fan-systems/airframe-t7-black-av-equipment-closet-and-room-fan-system-17-exhaust/
    https://acinfinity.com/component-cooling/cabinet-fan-systems/airplate-s2-home-theater-and-av-cabinet-quiet-cooling-blower-system-6-inch/
    (sold on Amazon UK)

    Theo


    The hardware is only 35 watts total, 8 low power devices.

    The cupboard is big and only gets a degree or two 2 above ambient, with
    the door closed.

    Surrounding ambient rarely gets as high as 20 C. Today it is 32 C,
    inside the cupboard with door open is 33 C.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 20 12:48:53 2022
    On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
    My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
    as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
    disconnects in the log.

    Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
    to work.

    Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
    solutions?

    Yes, a fan.


    Some people used a carton of cold milk to keep their ZX81 16K ram
    packs cool.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com on Wed Jul 20 19:39:52 2022
    On 20 Jul 2022 at 12:48:53 BST, "Andrew"
    <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

    On 19/07/2022 14:40, GB wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 14:34, Pancho wrote:
    My internet started dropping out on Friday. Initially, it manifested
    as one way VoIP, god knows why. Then 1 Mb/s download, repeated DSL
    disconnects in the log.

    Today I'm using freezer blocks under both the modem and router, seems
    to work.

    Are others experiencing hardware failures? If so, are there better
    solutions?

    Yes, a fan.


    Some people used a carton of cold milk to keep their ZX81 16K ram
    packs cool.

    And to stop it wobbling.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo
    - H G Wells

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  • From Vir Campestris@21:1/5 to Pancho on Mon Jul 25 17:09:52 2022
    On 19/07/2022 16:03, Pancho wrote:

    Surrounding ambient rarely gets as high as 20 C. Today it is 32 C,
    inside the cupboard with door open is 33 C.

    33 shouldn't have caused any problems. What do the device specs say? I'd
    expect at least 40!

    Andy

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  • From Pancho@21:1/5 to Vir Campestris on Mon Jul 25 19:31:18 2022
    On 25/07/2022 17:09, Vir Campestris wrote:
    On 19/07/2022 16:03, Pancho wrote:

    Surrounding ambient rarely gets as high as 20 C. Today it is 32 C,
    inside the cupboard with door open is 33 C.

    33 shouldn't have caused any problems. What do the device specs say? I'd expect at least 40!

    Andy


    <https://www.tp-link.com/uk/home-networking/dsl-modem-router/td-w9970/#specifications>


    Operating Temperature: 0~40 (32~104)


    I'm pretty sure it was well below that when the problem started. An ice
    block sorted it, and the problem reoccurred when the ice block melted.

    I only use it as a modem, and it was the cheapest I could buy, just a
    temporary stopgap before fttp. So I'm not that upset.

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