• Windows XP Pro install disc

    From Koopa@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 7 13:08:13 2022
    I’d like to reinstall Windows XP Pro on my Dell Latitude D430 as it takes a couple of minutes to load Edge in Windows 10 which it is currently running.

    I’ve had a look at Dell website and you need a 16GB usb dongle to restore using their methods. Does anyone know when I can download a Windows XP Pro
    OEM installation image?

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Jun 7 15:08:30 2022
    On 07/06/2022 14:32, Andy Burns wrote:
    Koopa wrote:

    I’d like to reinstall Windows XP Pro on my Dell Latitude D430 as it
    takes a
    couple of minutes to load Edge in Windows 10 which it is currently
    running.

    I’ve had a look at Dell website and you need a 16GB usb dongle to restore >> using their methods. Does anyone know when I can download a Windows XP
    Pro
    OEM installation image?

    If you don't find one, let me know, I have an original Dell Latitude XP
    Pro + SP2 CD here, I could upload a .iso image somewhere ...




    I still have a couple of XP machines, but only used offline.
    How risky is it running XP on a machine that you use for browsing?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Koopa on Tue Jun 7 14:32:43 2022
    Koopa wrote:

    I’d like to reinstall Windows XP Pro on my Dell Latitude D430 as it takes a couple of minutes to load Edge in Windows 10 which it is currently running.

    I’ve had a look at Dell website and you need a 16GB usb dongle to restore using their methods. Does anyone know when I can download a Windows XP Pro OEM installation image?

    If you don't find one, let me know, I have an original Dell Latitude XP Pro + SP2 CD here, I could upload a .iso image somewhere ...

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 7 14:49:28 2022
    On 7 Jun 2022 at 15:08:30 BST, "GB" <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 07/06/2022 14:32, Andy Burns wrote:
    Koopa wrote:

    I’d like to reinstall Windows XP Pro on my Dell Latitude D430 as it
    takes a
    couple of minutes to load Edge in Windows 10 which it is currently
    running.

    I’ve had a look at Dell website and you need a 16GB usb dongle to restore >>> using their methods. Does anyone know when I can download a Windows XP
    Pro
    OEM installation image?

    If you don't find one, let me know, I have an original Dell Latitude XP
    Pro + SP2 CD here, I could upload a .iso image somewhere ...

    I still have a couple of XP machines, but only used offline.
    How risky is it running XP on a machine that you use for browsing?

    Assume immediate compromise. You won't be far wrong.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    --
    Tetris has taught me that accomplishments disappear and mistakes pile up.

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  • From Max Collisions@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Tue Jun 7 08:07:31 2022
    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 15:56:33 UTC+1, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am Dienstag, 07. Juni 2022, um 15:08:30 Uhr schrieb GB:

    How risky is it running XP on a machine that you use for browsing?
    XP runs server applications by default that aren't patched anymore, so
    just having a connection without really using it is already a risk.
    Browsing is also a problem because mostly all browser developers
    stopped supporting XP, so vulnerabilities in the browser aren't being
    fixed anymore. Some websites aren't compatible anymore.

    Download from Archive.com ?

    https://archive.org/search.php?query=xp+iso&sin=

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  • From Max Collisions@21:1/5 to Max Collisions on Tue Jun 7 08:08:54 2022
    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 16:07:33 UTC+1, Max Collisions wrote:
    On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 15:56:33 UTC+1, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am Dienstag, 07. Juni 2022, um 15:08:30 Uhr schrieb GB:

    How risky is it running XP on a machine that you use for browsing?
    XP runs server applications by default that aren't patched anymore, so
    just having a connection without really using it is already a risk. Browsing is also a problem because mostly all browser developers
    stopped supporting XP, so vulnerabilities in the browser aren't being
    fixed anymore. Some websites aren't compatible anymore.
    Download from Archive.com ?

    https://archive.org/search.php?query=xp+iso&sin=


    Ah, already suggested, didn't check.

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Jun 7 15:44:41 2022
    On 07/06/2022 14:32, Andy Burns wrote:
    Koopa wrote:

    If you don't find one, let me know, I have an original Dell Latitude XP
    Pro + SP2 CD here, I could upload a .iso image somewhere ...

    Hi, thanks for the offer. I've emailed you.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 7 16:55:11 2022
    Am Dienstag, 07. Juni 2022, um 13:08:13 Uhr schrieb Koopa:

    I’d like to reinstall Windows XP Pro on my Dell Latitude D430 as it
    takes a couple of minutes to load Edge in Windows 10 which it is
    currently running.

    XP is EOL, don't use it. Switch to Linux of possible.

    I’ve had a look at Dell website and you need a 16GB usb dongle to
    restore using their methods. Does anyone know when I can download a
    Windows XP Pro OEM installation image?

    Check archive.org.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 7 16:56:31 2022
    Am Dienstag, 07. Juni 2022, um 15:08:30 Uhr schrieb GB:

    How risky is it running XP on a machine that you use for browsing?

    XP runs server applications by default that aren't patched anymore, so
    just having a connection without really using it is already a risk.
    Browsing is also a problem because mostly all browser developers
    stopped supporting XP, so vulnerabilities in the browser aren't being
    fixed anymore. Some websites aren't compatible anymore.

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to Koopa on Tue Jun 7 17:43:21 2022
    On 07/06/2022 15:44, Koopa wrote:
    On 07/06/2022 14:32, Andy Burns wrote:
    Koopa wrote:

    If you don't find one, let me know, I have an original Dell Latitude
    XP Pro + SP2 CD here, I could upload a .iso image somewhere ...

    Hi, thanks for the offer. I've emailed you.

    Thanks Andy, all installed and activated. Just got to download all the
    drivers from Dell now.

    Thanks again.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Koopa on Tue Jun 7 18:04:10 2022
    On 07/06/2022 17:50, Koopa wrote:
    On 07/06/2022 17:47, Andy Burns wrote:
    Koopa wrote:

    Thanks Andy, all installed and activated. Just got to download all
    the drivers from Dell now.

    NP.

    I presume SP3 (or the unofficial SP4) is easily available?

    Don't know I'm just happy to have a fast machine again.

    for a faster machine, swap the existing HDD for an SSD.....

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Koopa on Tue Jun 7 18:14:56 2022
    On 07/06/2022 17:50, Koopa wrote:
    On 07/06/2022 17:47, Andy Burns wrote:
    Koopa wrote:

    Thanks Andy, all installed and activated. Just got to download all
    the drivers from Dell now.

    NP.

    I presume SP3 (or the unofficial SP4) is easily available?

    Don't know I'm just happy to have a fast machine again.


    What do you think was slowing it down?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Koopa on Tue Jun 7 17:47:09 2022
    Koopa wrote:

    Thanks Andy, all installed and activated. Just got to download all the drivers
    from Dell now.

    NP.

    I presume SP3 (or the unofficial SP4) is easily available?

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Jun 7 17:50:35 2022
    On 07/06/2022 17:47, Andy Burns wrote:
    Koopa wrote:

    Thanks Andy, all installed and activated. Just got to download all the
    drivers from Dell now.

    NP.

    I presume SP3 (or the unofficial SP4) is easily available?

    Don't know I'm just happy to have a fast machine again.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 7 18:11:48 2022
    SH wrote:

    for a faster machine, swap the existing HDD for an SSD.....

    A machine that age, could well be IDE instead of SATA, that'll pretty much exclude SSD ...

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Jun 7 19:13:19 2022
    On 07/06/2022 18:27, Andy Burns wrote:
    SH wrote

    Couple of sites show it having a 1.8" HD on a CE/ZIF connector, if still available you could piggy-back an mSATA SSD onto a conversion board, I'd worry about what web browser first ...

    Well I've had my fun, I daren't go online with it. Be ok as an offline
    machine but I'll never use it.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 7 18:27:49 2022
    SH wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    A machine that age, could well be IDE instead of SATA, that'll pretty much >> exclude SSD ...

    fair point!

    Couple of sites show it having a 1.8" HD on a CE/ZIF connector, if still available you could piggy-back an mSATA SSD onto a conversion board, I'd worry about what web browser first ...

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Jun 7 18:22:57 2022
    On 07/06/2022 18:11, Andy Burns wrote:
    SH wrote:

    for a faster machine, swap the existing HDD for an SSD.....

    A machine that age, could well be IDE instead of SATA, that'll pretty
    much exclude SSD ...



    fair point!

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 7 19:00:51 2022
    On 07/06/2022 18:14, GB wrote:

    Don't know I'm just happy to have a fast machine again.


    What do you think was slowing it down?

    Windows 10 ran like a pig, 3 minutes to load an Edge browser!

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to Koopa on Tue Jun 7 20:13:30 2022
    On 07/06/2022 19:00, Koopa wrote:
    On 07/06/2022 18:14, GB wrote:

    Don't know I'm just happy to have a fast machine again.


    What do you think was slowing it down?

    Windows 10 ran like a pig, 3 minutes to load an Edge browser!

    As others have suggested, running a lightweight Linux like Xunbuntu or
    Lubuntu is worth consdering.... and did you know Edge browser is
    available for Linux?

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/2/22759123/microsoft-edge-linux-stable-channel

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Koopa on Tue Jun 7 20:21:39 2022
    On 07/06/2022 19:00, Koopa wrote:
    On 07/06/2022 18:14, GB wrote:

    Don't know I'm just happy to have a fast machine again.


    What do you think was slowing it down?

    Windows 10 ran like a pig, 3 minutes to load an Edge browser!

    I have a Dell Vostro running a 2GHz Core2Duo on W10, ie similar to yours
    but a tad faster. That ran a bit slowly, but nothing like you are
    describing.

    It did have 4GB of RAM, and an SSD. If your machine has 2GB of RAM, that
    should be okay for XP, but it's low for W10.

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid on Thu Jun 9 11:53:09 2022
    GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
    On 07/06/2022 19:00, Koopa wrote:
    On 07/06/2022 18:14, GB wrote:

    Don't know I'm just happy to have a fast machine again.


    What do you think was slowing it down?

    Windows 10 ran like a pig, 3 minutes to load an Edge browser!

    I have a Dell Vostro running a 2GHz Core2Duo on W10, ie similar to yours
    but a tad faster. That ran a bit slowly, but nothing like you are
    describing.

    It did have 4GB of RAM, and an SSD. If your machine has 2GB of RAM, that should be okay for XP, but it's low for W10.

    I just reinstalled Windows 10 Home 32bit from an installation disc I
    created with the media creation tool. It takes a few minutes to get to the desktop but Edge now loads in about 30 seconds instead of the 2-3 minutes
    it took before.

    Last time I just did an in place upgrade from Windows 8 which is probably
    why it ran like a dog. I’ve got all the latest security updates installed which took all afternoon yesterday to do.

    I would rather have a slow but patched Windows 10 machine then a useless Windows XP machine. It’s all still activated as I had Windows 10 Home on it before.

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to Koopa on Thu Jun 9 13:23:07 2022
    On 09/06/2022 12:53, Koopa wrote:

    I have a Dell Vostro running a 2GHz Core2Duo on W10, ie similar to yours
    but a tad faster. That ran a bit slowly, but nothing like you are
    describing.

    It did have 4GB of RAM, and an SSD. If your machine has 2GB of RAM, that
    should be okay for XP, but it's low for W10.

    I just reinstalled Windows 10 Home 32bit from an installation disc I
    created with the media creation tool. It takes a few minutes to get to the desktop but Edge now loads in about 30 seconds instead of the 2-3 minutes
    it took before.

    Last time I just did an in place upgrade from Windows 8 which is probably
    why it ran like a dog. I’ve got all the latest security updates installed which took all afternoon yesterday to do.

    I would rather have a slow but patched Windows 10 machine then a useless Windows XP machine. It’s all still activated as I had Windows 10 Home on it before.


    The machine has 2GB of memory, I just loaded the Edge browser and
    checked the task manager for free memory. There's about 500MB free.

    Another good thing is that the CMOS battery in the laptop is dead so it
    can't keep the correct time. But under Windows 10 it automatically
    corrects the time via the Internet when you boot up.

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to Koopa on Thu Jun 9 15:48:06 2022
    Koopa <koopa@troopa.net> wrote:
    On 09/06/2022 12:53, Koopa wrote:

    I have a Dell Vostro running a 2GHz Core2Duo on W10, ie similar to yours >>> but a tad faster. That ran a bit slowly, but nothing like you are
    describing.

    It did have 4GB of RAM, and an SSD. If your machine has 2GB of RAM, that >>> should be okay for XP, but it's low for W10.

    I just reinstalled Windows 10 Home 32bit from an installation disc I
    created with the media creation tool. It takes a few minutes to get to the >> desktop but Edge now loads in about 30 seconds instead of the 2-3 minutes
    it took before.

    Sorry to reply to my own post again but Edge seems to be loading in about
    10 seconds now, this is running it for the first time after desktop has
    loaded, sweet. Maybe it’s the Edge startup boost feature.

    I installed Thunderbird as well but that takes a good 40 to 50 seconds to
    load. So the machine is usable if a tad slow.

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  • From GB@21:1/5 to Koopa on Thu Jun 9 20:30:18 2022
    On 09/06/2022 16:48, Koopa wrote:
    Koopa <koopa@troopa.net> wrote:
    On 09/06/2022 12:53, Koopa wrote:

    I have a Dell Vostro running a 2GHz Core2Duo on W10, ie similar to yours >>>> but a tad faster. That ran a bit slowly, but nothing like you are
    describing.

    It did have 4GB of RAM, and an SSD. If your machine has 2GB of RAM, that >>>> should be okay for XP, but it's low for W10.

    I just reinstalled Windows 10 Home 32bit from an installation disc I
    created with the media creation tool. It takes a few minutes to get to the >>> desktop but Edge now loads in about 30 seconds instead of the 2-3 minutes >>> it took before.

    Sorry to reply to my own post again but Edge seems to be loading in about
    10 seconds now, this is running it for the first time after desktop has loaded, sweet. Maybe it’s the Edge startup boost feature.

    I installed Thunderbird as well but that takes a good 40 to 50 seconds to load. So the machine is usable if a tad slow.



    How easy is it to add a bit of RAM? No point going over 4GB.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 9 20:31:41 2022
    GB wrote:

    How easy is it to add a bit of RAM?  No point going over 4GB.

    2GB is the max for a D430, 1GB soldered on, optional 1GB in slot.

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Fri Jun 10 14:31:56 2022
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    GB wrote:

    How easy is it to add a bit of RAM?  No point going over 4GB.

    2GB is the max for a D430, 1GB soldered on, optional 1GB in slot.


    My D430 has a 5530 HSPA mobile broadband card installed, I managed to
    download a Windows 7 driver for it which works in Windows 10. However the mobile broadband connection software manager from Dell won’t install under Windows 10.

    Am I right in thinking you can use Windows 10s built in connection software
    to create a mobile broadband connection.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Koopa on Fri Jun 10 16:57:01 2022
    Koopa <koopa@troopa.net> wrote:
    Am I right in thinking you can use Windows 10s built in connection software to create a mobile broadband connection.

    Yes, it's just a dialup network. Set up a dialup connection using the
    serial device of the dongle as the connection port (COMn, see Device
    Manager. If you have several try them all), the modem config
    string to:

    AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","yourapn"

    where "yourapn" is the APN for the mobile network you're connecting to
    (google it). Then set the number to dial to be *99# and the connection to
    use PPP - empty username and password.

    You should then be able to connect as a dialup internet connection.

    Note that some devices show up as a USB stick or CD
    with their drivers and need a 'tickle' to get them to show their modem
    ports - info for Linux:
    https://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/
    I don't think internal WWAN cards do that though.

    Theo

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to Theo on Fri Jun 10 18:07:36 2022
    On 10/06/2022 16:57, Theo wrote:
    Koopa <koopa@troopa.net> wrote:
    Am I right in thinking you can use Windows 10s built in connection software >> to create a mobile broadband connection.

    Yes, it's just a dialup network. Set up a dialup connection using the
    serial device of the dongle as the connection port (COMn, see Device
    Manager. If you have several try them all), the modem config
    string to:

    AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","yourapn"

    where "yourapn" is the APN for the mobile network you're connecting to (google it). Then set the number to dial to be *99# and the connection to use PPP - empty username and password.

    You should then be able to connect as a dialup internet connection.

    Note that some devices show up as a USB stick or CD
    with their drivers and need a 'tickle' to get them to show their modem
    ports - info for Linux:
    https://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/
    I don't think internal WWAN cards do that though.

    Thanks I'll need to get a SIM first and some data on it. Seems easy
    enough to setup.

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  • From Koopa@21:1/5 to Koopa on Tue Jun 14 13:39:13 2022
    On 10/06/2022 18:07, Koopa wrote:

    Thanks I'll need to get a SIM first and some data on it. Seems easy
    enough to setup.

    Recieved a free DATA SIM in the post today which has no credit and I
    didn't even need to create a dial up connection.

    Windows 10 automatically recognised there was a SIM card installed and
    made a connection see here...

    https://imgur.com/a/nv16aqI

    and here...

    https://imgur.com/a/KNdfjme

    Not going to bother topping up as I know it works and don't need the
    DATA at the moment.

    I literally did nothing.

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  • From jimmy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 27 11:02:10 2022
    mypal for xp browser!

    "Marco Moock" wrote in message news:20220607165631.559b5f2b@ryz...

    Am Dienstag, 07. Juni 2022, um 15:08:30 Uhr schrieb GB:

    How risky is it running XP on a machine that you use for browsing?

    XP runs server applications by default that aren't patched anymore, so
    just having a connection without really using it is already a risk.
    Browsing is also a problem because mostly all browser developers
    stopped supporting XP, so vulnerabilities in the browser aren't being
    fixed anymore. Some websites aren't compatible anymore.

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  • From jimmy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 27 11:03:11 2022
    https://www.mypal-browser.org/

    "Marco Moock" wrote in message news:20220607165631.559b5f2b@ryz...

    Am Dienstag, 07. Juni 2022, um 15:08:30 Uhr schrieb GB:

    How risky is it running XP on a machine that you use for browsing?

    XP runs server applications by default that aren't patched anymore, so
    just having a connection without really using it is already a risk.
    Browsing is also a problem because mostly all browser developers
    stopped supporting XP, so vulnerabilities in the browser aren't being
    fixed anymore. Some websites aren't compatible anymore.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 28 21:54:48 2022
    Am Montag, 27. Juni 2022, um 11:03:11 Uhr schrieb jimmy:

    Browsing is also a problem because mostly all browser developers
    stopped supporting XP, so vulnerabilities in the browser aren't being
    fixed anymore. Some websites aren't compatible anymore.

    I know that MyPal, a fork of Pale Moon, still supports XP.
    But XP is insecure and FF and Chrome aren't supported there anymore for
    years. They can't display many websites properly. IE8 is worse, it
    can't display any up-to-date website anymore.

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