• Networx Connectix Switch

    From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 10 18:25:04 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    Hi folks,

    A long shot if anyone has come across these? Must be popular commercially.

    I've picked up a 24 port Gigabit switch, something called a "24+2G-Port Web-SMART Gigabit Ethernet Switch" Model 010-100-201-24

    Made by Connectix, branded Networx.

    It looks like this,
    http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9osAAOSwMORW7Cpm/s-l1600.jpg

    I'm looking to set up the Web-SMART VLAN stuff.

    It works OK as a dumb switch but I've sniffed subnets and found no
    management IP port address, and now I understand it needs a utility for
    that.

    The Essex based distributor (http://www.connectixcablingsystems.com/)
    has been absolutely no help (I'm not a customer, so goodbye...) and the
    US company (that is up with Netgear, D-link, TP-link - but not HP/Cisco) doesn't seem to think the value of putting any support information up on
    line. Just sales brochures.

    Which in these enlightened times of "I know a web address to support
    that!" is pretty weird...

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From Rob Morley@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Sat Jun 10 20:35:12 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:25:04 +0100
    Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:

    Hi folks,

    A long shot if anyone has come across these? Must be popular
    commercially.

    I've picked up a 24 port Gigabit switch, something called a
    "24+2G-Port Web-SMART Gigabit Ethernet Switch" Model 010-100-201-24
    <snip>
    Which in these enlightened times of "I know a web address to support
    that!" is pretty weird...

    Is "web smart" something of a standard? There are various similarly
    specified devices from other suppliers which use "web smart" management utilities of some sort.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Rob Morley on Sun Jun 11 15:16:21 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    In uk.comp.homebuilt Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    Is "web smart" something of a standard? There are various similarly specified devices from other suppliers which use "web smart" management utilities of some sort.

    I doubt it. I think it's code for 'we put whatever cheap and nasty web interface we could cook up onto it, don't think it's a proper managed switch'.

    However I suspect this particular example is a rebadge of somebody else. I would guess many of these bottom-end switches use similar chips, so it might
    be possible to work out who else makes the same hardware.

    Take the lid off and have a look?

    Theo

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Theo on Sun Jun 11 10:35:28 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    Theo wrote:
    In uk.comp.homebuilt Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    Is "web smart" something of a standard? There are various similarly
    specified devices from other suppliers which use "web smart" management
    utilities of some sort.

    I doubt it. I think it's code for 'we put whatever cheap and nasty web interface we could cook up onto it, don't think it's a proper managed switch'.

    However I suspect this particular example is a rebadge of somebody else. I would guess many of these bottom-end switches use similar chips, so it might be possible to work out who else makes the same hardware.

    Take the lid off and have a look?

    Theo

    "The difference between unmanaged, managed, and Web-smart switches"

    https://www.blackbox.com/en-us/products/black-box-explains/the-difference-between-unmanaged-managed-and-web-smart-switches

    So there does appear to be such an option, as the "third choice".

    What that article didn't bother to mention, is whether the function
    is only visible on certain ports or on all ports. And whether there's
    a reset button, to blow away the password.

    *******

    Even if you cannot get a manual, a similar product manual can give you ideas.

    They connect a laptop to a LAN port, to configure this one. PDF page 23.

    ftp://ftp.dlink.ca/PRODUCTS/DGS-1210-10/DGS-1210_SERIES_REVC_MANUAL_4.70_WW.pdf

    "The switch's factory default IP address is 10.90.90.90
    with a subnet mask of 255.0.0.0 and a default gateway of 0.0.0.0."

    "By default, the password is admin"

    And that one has a Reset button.

    Paul

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Jun 11 20:58:46 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    In uk.comp.homebuilt Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    "The difference between unmanaged, managed, and Web-smart switches"

    https://www.blackbox.com/en-us/products/black-box-explains/the-difference-between-unmanaged-managed-and-web-smart-switches

    So there does appear to be such an option, as the "third choice".

    What that article didn't bother to mention, is whether the function
    is only visible on certain ports or on all ports. And whether there's
    a reset button, to blow away the password.

    The article isn't saying there's a standard, it's just agreeing with the
    basic definition I gave - a 'web smart' switch is a switch with some degree
    of management via a web interface but doesn't support SNMP like a
    traditional managed switch. It's like a home router with a web interface (which are all different) as compared to a Cisco box.

    It doesn't tell us anything about how to configure a particuly brand of
    switch, which was the OP's question.

    I'm familiar with the TP-Link 'Easy Smart' which are so cheap they don't
    even have a web interface - you have to run a Java app to send raw configuration packets to them. Their slightly more expensive switches have
    a web interface, which is slightly more functional than the Java app but on
    par with the cheapest router. (The Java app can also manage multiple
    switches at once, which the web interface can't)

    That said, they're cheap enough that they aren't a bad upgrade from an unmanaged switch if any of the 'smart' features (VLANs, aggregation, port control) are useful to you. Just I wouldn't bank on them being any more
    secure than an unmanaged switch (with a router you can replace the firmware with dd-wrt, OpenWRT, etc - I haven't seen replacement firmware for these switches).

    Even if you cannot get a manual, a similar product manual can give you ideas.

    They connect a laptop to a LAN port, to configure this one. PDF page 23.

    ftp://ftp.dlink.ca/PRODUCTS/DGS-1210-10/DGS-1210_SERIES_REVC_MANUAL_4.70_WW.pdf

    "The switch's factory default IP address is 10.90.90.90
    with a subnet mask of 255.0.0.0 and a default gateway of 0.0.0.0."

    "By default, the password is admin"

    And that one has a Reset button.

    You can reset it and try all the common addresses, I agree. Though
    10.90.90.90 would be one I'd never think of.

    Is there nothing printed on the outside?

    You could also try running a packet sniffer on a port and see if there's any backscatter traffic that might reveal the subnet.

    Theo

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Jun 11 21:38:53 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    On 11/06/17 15:35, Paul wrote:


    They connect a laptop to a LAN port, to configure this one. PDF page 23.

    ftp://ftp.dlink.ca/PRODUCTS/DGS-1210-10/DGS-1210_SERIES_REVC_MANUAL_4.70_WW.pdf


    "The switch's factory default IP address is 10.90.90.90
    with a subnet mask of 255.0.0.0 and a default gateway of 0.0.0.0."

    "By default, the password is admin"

    And that one has a Reset button.

    Paul

    Thanks all,

    Good news. Found my way in :)

    Found a UL number on the back, which through the UL site identified some
    model numbers.
    http://productspec.ul.com/document.php?id=NWGQ.E159561

    DES-1228, WEB-GSW7424TG, ALL4702W

    DES-1228 looks to be a D-Link
    WEB-GSW7424TG some Cameo model (the OEM/ODM)
    ALL4702W - is something from Allnet.de

    All have differing locations of ports, but the last matched the same
    font printing on my box so gave that a spin, found the utility, and as
    they say "I'm in like Flynn"....

    The IP address, was 192.168.184.227
    The password, ad*** well, it's a standard isn't it :-)

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Theo on Sun Jun 11 21:23:31 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    I'm familiar with the TP-Link 'Easy Smart' which are so cheap they don't
    even have a web interface - you have to run a Java app to send raw configuration packets to them.

    No longer true, they have a Web GUI as well now. I just bought at
    TL-SG108E (one of the two cheapest) and I'm using it from Linux via
    the web GUI quite happily.

    --
    Chris Green
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  • From Mike Tomlinson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 12 08:29:13 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    En el artículo <bsx*Tq1tw@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo <theom+news @chiark.greenend.org.uk> escribió:

    However I suspect this particular example is a rebadge of somebody else

    I agree. I think eBay 152568059930 might be the same thing.

    "web smart switch"

    --
    (\_/)
    (='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
    (")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

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  • From Mike Tomlinson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 12 09:40:02 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    En el artículo <csx*9G2tw@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo <theom+news @chiark.greenend.org.uk> escribió:

    I'm familiar with the TP-Link 'Easy Smart' which are so cheap they don't
    even have a web interface - you have to run a Java app to send raw >configuration packets to them

    Yuck!

    --
    (\_/)
    (='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
    (")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Mike Tomlinson on Mon Jun 12 22:21:51 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> wrote:
    En el artículo <csx*9G2tw@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo <theom+news @chiark.greenend.org.uk> escribió:

    I'm familiar with the TP-Link 'Easy Smart' which are so cheap they don't >even have a web interface - you have to run a Java app to send raw >configuration packets to them

    Yuck!

    As I said before this is no longer true, even the cheapest TP-Link
    Easy Smart switches now have a Web GUI and can be easily configured
    from Linux or whatever.

    --
    Chris Green
    ·

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Tue Jun 13 14:06:04 2017
    XPost: uk.comp.homebuilt, alt.comp.hardware

    In uk.comp.homebuilt Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    As I said before this is no longer true, even the cheapest TP-Link
    Easy Smart switches now have a Web GUI and can be easily configured
    from Linux or whatever.

    The trouble is, they rev them without changing the model number.
    So the TL-SG108E v1 needs the Java app while the TL-SG108E v2 has a web interface.

    This is a pain when buying because typically you don't know what revision you're getting when you buy online. It just depends how long the stock has been sitting around.

    I have both a v1 and a v2 - it was pot luck when buying the second one
    whether I'd get a web interface or not.

    Theo

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