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  • the last effect is the first cause?

    From Dale@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 19 22:13:20 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    the last effect is the first cause?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

    What about ...

    the big bang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

    followed by the big crunch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

    and then another big bang, etc.?



    And then there are the Yuga ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

    1) creation
    2) maintenance
    3) destruction
    4) conquest of destruction and rebirth of creation

    How about fitting an eternal maintenance?



    --
    Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Dale on Sat Jun 19 19:19:22 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 2021-06-19 7:13 p.m., Dale wrote:
    the last effect is the first cause?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

    What about ...

    the big bang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

    followed by the big crunch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

    and then another big bang, etc.?



    And then there are the Yuga ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

    1) creation
    2) maintenance
    3) destruction
    4) conquest of destruction and rebirth of creation

    How about fitting an eternal maintenance?



    the fitting room is beside the washroom at the back of the store

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  • From Michael Christ@21:1/5 to Dale on Sun Jun 20 18:21:52 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 20/06/2021 12:13 pm, Dale wrote:
    the last effect is the first cause?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

    What about ...

    the big bang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

    followed by the big crunch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

    and then another big bang, etc.?



    And then there are the Yuga ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

    1) creation
    2) maintenance
    3) destruction
    4) conquest of destruction and rebirth of creation

    How about fitting an eternal maintenance?




    It is getting boring, Buddy, you saying nothing of any depth.





    Michael Chrust

    --
    Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
    YET sinners, Christ died for us.

    "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

    "If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

    "Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

    "What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

    "All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
    God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

    "Compromise will condemn you".

    "There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

    "My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

    "You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
    know that?"

    "The way of truth is the testimony of life".

    "I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
    where God intends."

    "Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

    "You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
    live, by faith."

    "It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

    "Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
    ahead."

    "You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

    "Priority is everything".

    "The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

    "There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
    it or to place it where it truly belongs."

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Michael Christ on Sun Jun 20 06:32:26 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 2021-06-20 1:21 a.m., Michael Christ wrote:
    On 20/06/2021 12:13 pm, Dale wrote:
    the last effect is the first cause?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

    What about ...

    the big bang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

    followed by the big crunch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

    and then another big bang, etc.?



    And then there are the Yuga ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

    1) creation
    2) maintenance
    3) destruction
    4) conquest of destruction and rebirth of creation

    How about fitting an eternal maintenance?




    It is getting boring, Buddy, you saying nothing of any depth.





    Michael Chrust

    you should've bought the un boring usenet

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Michael Christ on Sun Jun 20 14:42:46 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 6/20/2021 4:21 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
    On 20/06/2021 12:13 pm, Dale wrote:
    the last effect is the first cause?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

    What about ...

    the big bang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

    followed by the big crunch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

    and then another big bang, etc.?



    And then there are the Yuga ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

    1) creation
    2) maintenance
    3) destruction
    4) conquest of destruction and rebirth of creation

    How about fitting an eternal maintenance?




    It is getting boring, Buddy, you saying nothing of any depth.



    how about some height?


    --
    Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Dale on Sun Jun 20 11:45:42 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 2021-06-20 11:42 a.m., Dale wrote:
    On 6/20/2021 4:21 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
    On 20/06/2021 12:13 pm, Dale wrote:
    the last effect is the first cause?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

    What about ...

    the big bang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

    followed by the big crunch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

    and then another big bang, etc.?



    And then there are the Yuga ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

    1) creation
    2) maintenance
    3) destruction
    4) conquest of destruction and rebirth of creation

    How about fitting an eternal maintenance?




    It is getting boring, Buddy, you saying nothing of any depth.



    how about some height?


    at least a little perpendicular

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  • From Michael Christ@21:1/5 to Dale on Mon Jun 21 09:34:25 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 21/06/2021 4:42 am, Dale wrote:
    On 6/20/2021 4:21 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
    On 20/06/2021 12:13 pm, Dale wrote:
    the last effect is the first cause?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

    What about ...

    the big bang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

    followed by the big crunch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

    and then another big bang, etc.?



    And then there are the Yuga ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

    1) creation
    2) maintenance
    3) destruction
    4) conquest of destruction and rebirth of creation

    How about fitting an eternal maintenance?




    It is getting boring, Buddy, you saying nothing of any depth.



    how about some height?



    Anything is better than nothing, Buddy.




    Michael Christ

    --
    Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
    YET sinners, Christ died for us.

    "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

    "If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

    "Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

    "What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

    "All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
    God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

    "Compromise will condemn you".

    "There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

    "My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

    "You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
    know that?"

    "The way of truth is the testimony of life".

    "I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
    where God intends."

    "Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

    "You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
    live, by faith."

    "It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

    "Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
    ahead."

    "You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

    "Priority is everything".

    "The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

    "There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
    it or to place it where it truly belongs."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Michael Christ on Sun Jun 20 21:23:16 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 6/20/2021 7:34 PM, Michael Christ wrote:


    ... Anything is better than nothing, Buddy ...

    an "anything" universe?

    --
    Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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  • From Michael Christ@21:1/5 to Dale on Mon Jun 21 12:54:54 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 21/06/2021 11:23 am, Dale wrote:
    On 6/20/2021 7:34 PM, Michael Christ wrote:


    ... Anything is better than nothing, Buddy ...

    an "anything" universe?


    Floating clouds of rain or no rain.

    And thus it is, the effect of clouds.





    Michael Christ

    --
    Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
    YET sinners, Christ died for us.

    "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

    "If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

    "Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

    "What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

    "All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
    God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

    "Compromise will condemn you".

    "There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

    "My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

    "You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
    know that?"

    "The way of truth is the testimony of life".

    "I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
    where God intends."

    "Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

    "You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
    live, by faith."

    "It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

    "Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
    ahead."

    "You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

    "Priority is everything".

    "The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

    "There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
    it or to place it where it truly belongs."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dale@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 20 23:21:06 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 6/20/2021 2:45 PM, % wrote:
    On 2021-06-20 11:42 a.m., Dale wrote:
    On 6/20/2021 4:21 AM, Michael Christ wrote:
    On 20/06/2021 12:13 pm, Dale wrote:
    the last effect is the first cause?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

    What about ...

    the big bang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

    followed by the big crunch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

    and then another big bang, etc.?



    And then there are the Yuga ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

    1) creation
    2) maintenance
    3) destruction
    4) conquest of destruction and rebirth of creation

    How about fitting an eternal maintenance?




    It is getting boring, Buddy, you saying nothing of any depth.



    how about some height?


    at least a little perpendicular


    don't want to leave that behind

    --
    Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Michael Christ on Sun Jun 20 23:18:35 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 6/20/2021 10:54 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
    On 21/06/2021 11:23 am, Dale wrote:
    On 6/20/2021 7:34 PM, Michael Christ wrote:


    ... Anything is better than nothing, Buddy ...

    an "anything" universe?


    Floating clouds of rain or no rain.

    And thus it is, the effect of clouds.





    Michael Christ


    if you were the universe would you do "anything"?

    wouldn't a couple experiences of hell lead you to something else besides "anything"?

    --
    Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 20 23:22:31 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 6/19/2021 10:19 PM, % wrote:
    On 2021-06-19 7:13 p.m., Dale wrote:
    the last effect is the first cause?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

    What about ...

    the big bang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

    followed by the big crunch

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

    and then another big bang, etc.?



    And then there are the Yuga ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle

    1) creation
    2) maintenance
    3) destruction
    4) conquest of destruction and rebirth of creation

    How about fitting an eternal maintenance?



    the fitting room is beside the washroom at the back of the store


    I'll need a suit for the eternal maintenance.

    --
    Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Michael Christ@21:1/5 to Dale on Tue Jun 22 06:58:04 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.atheism

    On 21/06/2021 1:18 pm, Dale wrote:
    On 6/20/2021 10:54 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
    On 21/06/2021 11:23 am, Dale wrote:
    On 6/20/2021 7:34 PM, Michael Christ wrote:


    ... Anything is better than nothing, Buddy ...

    an "anything" universe?


    Floating clouds of rain or no rain.

    And thus it is, the effect of clouds.





    Michael Christ


    if you were the universe would you do "anything"?

    wouldn't a couple experiences of hell lead you to something else besides "anything"?


    And the droplets fell on the earth, and thus it was.

    The last effect is the first cause.

    Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.






    Michael Christ




    --
    Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
    YET sinners, Christ died for us.

    "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

    "If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

    "Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

    "What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

    "All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
    God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

    "Compromise will condemn you".

    "There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

    "My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

    "You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
    know that?"

    "The way of truth is the testimony of life".

    "I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
    where God intends."

    "Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

    "You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
    live, by faith."

    "It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

    "Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
    ahead."

    "You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

    "Priority is everything".

    "The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

    "There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
    it or to place it where it truly belongs."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dale@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 24 14:22:58 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism

    the last effect is the first cause?

    The Yugas cite this ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga_Cycle


    The "big bang"/"big crunch" cite it also ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch



    Heaven is left behind each cycle?

    any first cause has to have a cause?

    cyclical cause and effect applies?


    the last effect is the first cause?


    --
    Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Dale on Fri Sep 24 18:46:59 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.pantheism

    On 9/24/2021 2:22 PM, Dale wrote:
    Heaven is left behind each cycle?

    it is left behind intact?

    --
    Mystery? -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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