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Re-Post: The Guardian Problem
From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Tue Apr 14 19:31:09 2020
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
2. If the LW&T is authentic, and not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. Only the Guardian himself could do that.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that
such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely
appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,
derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly
affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Thu May 14 12:56:11 2020
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
2. If the LW&T is authentic, and not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. Only the Guardian himself could do that.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that
such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely
appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,
derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly
affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Jun 12 16:20:36 2020
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
2. If the LW&T is authentic, and not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. Only the Guardian himself could do that.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that
such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely
appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,
derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly
affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Sun Oct 11 18:16:29 2020
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that
such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely
appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,
derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly
affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Thu Dec 31 07:14:42 2020
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that
such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely
appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,
derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly
affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Mon Feb 15 13:48:51 2021
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that
such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely
appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,
derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly
affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Mon Apr 19 19:50:16 2021
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that
such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely
appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,
derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly
affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Mon Apr 19 19:46:21 2021
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that
such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely
appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,
derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly
affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Wed Aug 4 09:10:53 2021
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery. The person appointed to this life-long position was a man by the name of Shoghi, sometimes referred to with the appended title of respect, Effendi.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that
such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely
appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,
derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly
affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Wed Aug 4 09:04:56 2021
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. It should become apparent that
such an irregularity could not be explained in terms of a divinely
appointed station. Shoghi had been inexcusably, and inexplicably,
derelict in his duties, duties which he himself had repeatedly
affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Nov 13 17:54:43 2021
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
The person appointed to this life-long position was a man by the name
of Shoghi, sometimes referred to with the appended title of respect, Effendi.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian was ever
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship was ever a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession. There was neither.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. Such an irregularity could not
be explained in terms of a divinely appointed station. Shoghi had
been inexcusably, and inexplicably, derelict in his duties, duties
which he himself had repeatedly affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Sat Dec 10 19:56:53 2022
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
The person appointed to this life-long position was a man by the name
of Shoghi, sometimes referred to with the appended title of respect, Effendi.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian ever was
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship ever was a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian. But they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession. There was neither.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough. Nor could it be. Such an irregularity could not
be explained in terms of a divinely appointed station. Shoghi had
been inexcusably, and inexplicably, derelict in his duties, duties
which he himself had repeatedly affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Tue Feb 28 11:31:49 2023
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
The person appointed to this life-long position was a man by the name
of Shoghi, sometimes referred to with the appended title of respect, Effendi.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian ever was
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship ever was a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian--but they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession. There was neither.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough, nor could it be. Such an irregularity could not
be explained in terms of a divinely appointed station. Shoghi had
been inexcusably, and inexplicably, derelict in his duties, duties
which he himself had repeatedly affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Fri Apr 21 19:46:28 2023
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
The person appointed to this life-long position was a man by the name
of Shoghi, sometimes referred to with the appended title of respect, Effendi.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian ever was
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship ever was a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian--but they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession. There was neither.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough, nor could it be. Such an irregularity could not
be explained in terms of a divinely appointed station. Shoghi had
been inexcusably, and inexplicably, derelict in his duties, duties
which he himself had repeatedly affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Mon May 22 19:46:18 2023
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
The person appointed to this life-long position was a man by the name
of Shoghi, sometimes referred to with the appended title of respect, Effendi.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian ever was
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship ever was a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian--but they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession. There was neither.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough, nor could it be. Such an irregularity could not
be explained in terms of a divinely appointed station. Shoghi had
been inexcusably, and inexplicably, derelict in his duties, duties
which he himself had repeatedly affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From
unsuk arvay@21:1/5 to
All on Thu Jun 22 06:27:54 2023
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
The person appointed to this life-long position was a man by the name
of Shoghi, sometimes referred to with the appended title of respect, Effendi.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian ever was
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship ever was a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian--but they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession. There was neither.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough, nor could it be. Such an irregularity could not
be explained in terms of a divinely appointed station. Shoghi had
been inexcusably, and inexplicably, derelict in his duties, duties
which he himself had repeatedly affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Thu Jul 20 16:56:53 2023
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
The person appointed to this life-long position was a man by the name
of Shoghi, sometimes referred to with the appended title of respect, Effendi.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian ever was
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship ever was a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian--but they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession. There was neither.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough, nor could it be. Such an irregularity could not
be explained in terms of a divinely appointed station. Shoghi had
been inexcusably, and inexplicably, derelict in his duties, duties
which he himself had repeatedly affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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From
Bob@21:1/5 to
All on Wed Nov 1 15:59:15 2023
To summarize the Guardian problem:
1. The station of Guardian was decreed by the Last Will and Testament
of Abdul Baha, a document which some have alleged to be a forgery.
The person appointed to this life-long position was a man by the name
of Shoghi, sometimes referred to with the appended title of respect, Effendi.
2. If the LW&T is not a forgery, then the Guardian's failure to obey
his self-described duties are contrary to what a divinely appointed
authority would be expected to do.
3. These self-described duties include the critical task of
appointing a successor guardian, who would take over after the death
or incapacitation of the preceding guardian. The successor was to
have been appointed in a manner that would leave no room for doubt as
to the validity of the successor's appointment.
4. There is no credible evidence that any successor guardian ever was
appointed in such an unambiguous manner, although there were
claimants.
5. No provision had ever been made concerning the contingency of a
guardian dying without having appointed a successor. Indeed, such a
possibility had never even been mentioned by Shoghi. That is why his
death intestate led to the crisis it did.
6. The combination of these facts decisively refutes the notion that
the Guardianship ever was a divine institution. It also demonstrates
that Shoghi himself never believed that it was. He never made any
attempt, neither to ensure a clear line of succession, nor to
anticipate the lack of a succession.
7. Upon Shoghi's unexpected death, the Hands of the Cause took it
upon themselves to resolve the matter by declaring that henceforth,
the Baha'i Faith would have no living guardian--but they had no
authority to make that declaration. That authority died with Shoghi.
8. Shoghi's death created an unresolvable discrepancy, a
contradiction, that pits the alleged divine authorship of the station
against the physical facts. One cannot have it both ways. For the
station to be of divine authorship, there must be a succession of
guardians, or absent that, some provision to account for a lack of
succession. There was neither.
9. While the Hands made the best they could of a bad situation, their
best was not enough, nor could it be. Such an irregularity could not
be explained in terms of a divinely appointed station. Shoghi had
been inexcusably, and inexplicably, derelict in his duties, duties
which he himself had repeatedly affirmed in the most emphatic manner.
10. Claimants to the succession of guardianship make such a weak and
flimsy case for their divine authority that their claims make no
improvement regarding the failure of Shoghi to be clear and unambiguous
in the appointment of a successor.
11. Attempts by the UHJ to uphold the actions of the Hands are
equally flimsy and unjustifiable. Even their most contorted
explanations do not suffice to resolve the contradictions.
12. In all likelihood, the LW&T was a forgery by those who sought
power in what they thought would become a powerful world religion.
Even if it was not a forgery, it certainly had no divine authorship,
as demonstrated by its abject failure to bear the fruit which it had
promised.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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