• From Matthew Haase (circa 2009)

    From NUR@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 25 20:39:38 2020
    http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/470629758d76627a#-

    https://bahaism.blogspot.com/2010/02/interesting-correspondence-with-muslim.html

    I hope you don't mind me telling you a little bit about myself, and
    asking some questions.

    I have read some of your articles about mysticism, and comments about
    the Baha'i Faith and some of it is hard to deny. Here is a little
    background about myself. I converted to Islam when I was nineteen
    years old, and within a year I discovered the Baha'i Faith. I didn't
    do much research at first because I was still getting used to
    practicing Islam and grasping the idea of being part of a worldwide
    Muslim community. I didn't care for all of the rules and regulations
    that the 'ulama declared were the only true means of practicing the
    faith. It seemed like they made Islam excessively hard to practice for
    most people. When I finally began to research the Baha'i Faith, my
    attraction was really towards the Bab', Ali-Muhammad Shirazi. I read
    Mirza Husayn Ali's "Book of Certitude" in one night, and the parts
    that kept me reading even though my mind was tired, were the
    prophecies about the Bab' as the Mahdi. I was not interested in
    prophecies at that time, because I didn't come from a particular
    background that required them. The same was true for Islam. I didn't
    "need" to know that Muhammad was prophesized in the Bible, as I was an agnostic. Even so, when I read the Shi'a hadith that was quoted in the
    book, I fell in love with this man called "The Bab'." Even when I
    started to hang out with the Baha'is, I would jokingly refer to myself
    as a "Muslim Babi" because of how attracted I was to him.

    But jokes aside, I didn't see a contradiction with that phrase because
    I viewed the Bab' as a man who created a community that was "outside"
    of Islam but still "inside" at the same time, like a paradox. After a
    month of spending time with Baha'is, I saw my first red flag. I was
    talking to one of my Baha'i friends and mentioned that I wanted to
    learn Farsi or French so I could read the Persian Bayan in full. For
    some reason, still unknown to me to this day, she became instantly
    suspicious and implied that my "intentions" to read it were impure
    somehow. "Wait a minute", I thought. Why would she give me a guilt
    trip because I wanted to read a part of her own faith's scripture? If
    I were talking to a Muslim and stated that I wanted to learn Arabic so
    I could read the Qur'an in its original language, they would be
    ecstatic and probably even help me learn the language if they knew it.
    I took the matter to some other Baha'is because I thought maybe she
    just had her own issues or something, but they also became silent when
    I said it was because I wanted to read the Persian Bayan.

    One of them kindly suggested that it would be easier for me to just
    read the writings of Baha'u'llah because he is the "most recent"
    Manifestation of God, they are more easily available, and they are
    translated into English so I don't need to learn a foreign language. I understood the logic, but I didn't understand why they were all trying
    to dissuade me from reading a piece of their own scripture. I got the impression that they had something to hide. That wasn't my initial
    perception at all, but when they kept trying to steer me in a certain
    direction and even question my "intentions" (whatever that means),
    what else was I to think? The only reason why I wanted to read the
    Persian Bayan was because of my attraction to the Bab, not despite of
    it. I eventually caved to their wishes and read the writings of Mirza
    Husayn 'Ali instead, which were inspiring to a certain degree. But I
    would get this intuitional feeling that somehow the Baha'i Faith
    wasn't telling the whole story about its origins, like it was hiding
    something.

    Every time I would feel that way, I would crush it and punish myself
    for thinking such "unholy" thoughts. I also started to wonder if the
    Baha'i Faith actually despised Islam at its inner core. While I could
    never categorically prove this, I came across many passages and
    writings that seemed to speak ill of Islam through cleverly
    constructed phrases that appear to exalt the faith of Muhammad at face
    value, but in actuality are tearing it apart. I would notice that out
    of all of the interpretations given to particular Quranic verses and
    hadiths that exist in the tradition of Islamic scholarship, the Baha'i
    Faith would almost always pick the "bad" one that would make Islam
    appear "backward" to the "enlightened" west, and would then say "this
    is why Baha'u'llah came, to reform religion...etc." Perhaps that is
    too conspiratorial, but it was a very strong feeling I had that would inevitably creep up no matter how much I censored my thoughts. One of
    my most vivid memories of this kind of thing, was a "conversation" I
    had with a sweet elderly Persian woman. She initiated it by stating
    that according to a Zoroastrian scholar on satalite t.v., Muhammad
    (pbuh) commanded his followers to bury their new born children alive
    during the early years of his prophethood; but he later abrogated that
    law by commanding them to only bury their female new born children
    alive and sparing the males. I told her that that was really confusing
    since the Qur'an specifically mentions the practice of burying female
    new borns and condemns it. She just brushed that off and kept saying
    more things that would make Islam look bad, and ended our conversation
    with a hug and an "apology" for "offending" me, and stating a final
    after thought, "the Qur'an tells men to beat their wives...you know
    this?"

    This leads into my questions. What is it that I could have done to
    make these Baha'is treat me this way? I was nothing but respectful
    towards them and their faith. I never said a bad word about their
    religion. And yet it seems like just because of the sheer fact that I
    was a Muslim, that somehow meant that I was less than them. Even after
    I became a Baha'i, while still retaining my love and appreciation for
    Islam and the Prophet Muhammad, some of the Baha'is would still pick
    at me for my association with Islam. The elderly Persian woman would
    sometimes ask me if I was "still a Baha'i", which is a meaningless
    question because the LSA would know if I had resigned from the Baha'i
    Faith (which I did a number of years later.) In the research you have
    done, is there any evidence that the Baha'i Faith has an agenda to
    make Islam look barbaric and evil, while appearing to praise the
    Prophet Muhammad and the Qur'an? In connection with that question,
    does the Baha'i Faith have an agenda to make the Babi Faith and Islam
    appear to be enemies of each other? Did Tahirih really claim that
    Muhammad's teachings were "nonsense"? Is there a full translation of
    the Persian and Arabic Bayans in English? Or for that matter, are full
    copies of the originals still in existence for anyone to read?
    Thanks for getting back to me, I really appreciate it...About Western imperialism and the Baha'i Faith, I am also starting to think there is
    a connection. I still have a few Baha'i friends, and almost on a daily
    basis I hear about the "oppression of Baha'is in Iran", which saddens
    me. But what makes me question things is this: Out of all of the
    oppressed peoples of the world, from South America to Chechnya, from
    Iran to the First Nation peoples of North America, why is is that so
    much attention is given to seven people in Iran? I am not saying that persecution requires a high number of people for it to be persecution,
    but they act as if Baha'is are the only people being persecuted in
    that country. In the past twenty years, about two-hundred Baha'is have
    been executed by the State. That is a serious human rights crime, but
    does it really warrant a war, sanctions, and massive death for the
    entire Iranian population, while other countries that are allies of
    the United States kill groups of people in the thousands? And when non-
    Baha'is question Baha'is why they don't speak out against the
    oppression of other groups of people, they basically say that it's not
    their job. Which would be a "fair", albeit selfish answer if it were
    not for the sheer fact that the Baha'i institutions call on non-
    Baha'is to speak out on behalf of Baha'is. But when the tables are
    turned, the Baha'i institutions don't want to hear it.

    This might sound really off-the-mark, but do you think it is possible
    that the "higher-ups" of the Baha'i Faith are practicing some form of
    "black" magick in an attempt to influence world affairs towards their
    goals? Also, are you aware of any Baha'i-Freemason connections? I came
    across some interesting things a Baha'i wrote on a Baha'i forum, but
    haven't done enough researching yet to know if it is true. Basically,
    he said that the name "Baha'u'llah" is a "special name" at the
    Baltimore Masonic Temple, like a "code word." They have a hallway of
    nine doors, with the ninth door being the highest as the hall moves
    upwards. He also said that Gleanings from the writings of Baha'u'llah
    is in their top ten books of scripture to read from. He said that
    Baha'is are not permitted to join Secret Societies, but he knows at
    least two Baha'is in "good standing" who are 33rd degree Masons.

    #MatthewHaase

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