What is more valuable to a free man than his freedom? Is it safety? Comfort? Love? Whatever treasures one can name, each of them, without freedom, is sooner or later, forfeit.

Our freedoms are not separate items on a list. They are all interlocked and interdependent. Take away any part of freedom, and all of it begins to crumble. Without freedom of speech, all of freedom suffocates in a soundless vacuum. Without freedom of
worship, the soul of freedom is lost. Without the freedom to arm oneself, defeat by tyranny is inevitable. Freedom is a way of life.

Moreover, add to the body of freedom anything that it is not, then there also, freedom is cheapened and eroded. There is no freedom from being offended, no freedom from want, nor any freedom that guarantees happiness.

Freedom is not license; it is a heavy responsibility. Used unwisely, for example to wallow in the excesses of physical pleasure, it is wasted and soon lost. Its abuse brings misfortune and ruin. The proper use of freedom is to employ it in the
promotion of justice tempered with mercy, to protect the innocent, to educate, to produce the advances in the arts and sciences which give mankind dignity and a sense of worth. It nourishes both the inward self, and at the same time, guides us outward,
toward that which is greater than the self.

Nothing about freedom is simple or easy. That is why so many men squander it, and cast it as one might pearls before swine. That is why tyrants arise, armed not only with the sword, but with lies and deception, with promises of riches that are not
earned, and of treasures that are stolen from others.

Freedom is not given; it is taken, by force if necessary. The free man takes his freedom, and then shares its blessings with others who also strive to take their own freedom. The free man owes his freedom to no one but God, and he readily expresses his
gratitude for it to Him, and to those who have bled and suffered and died to protect it.

The free man seeks for his own good first, but does so that he may seek it for others as well. Indeed, the free man is selfless enough to lay down his life for it. As with love, freedom is not selfish, nor boastful, nor arrogant. It seeks not to rule
others, nor to take away anyone else’s freedom, but rather to serve freedom’s cause for everyone who will have it.

Pity those who do not value freedom above all else, for to them, all else will soon be lost.
.

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On Sunday, 17 May 2020 01:21:22 UTC+10, Bob wrote:

What is more valuable to a free man than his freedom? Is it safety? Comfort? Love? Whatever treasures one can name, each of them, without freedom, is sooner or later, forfeit.

Our freedoms are not separate items on a list. They are all interlocked and interdependent. Take away any part of freedom, and all of it begins to crumble. Without freedom of speech, all of freedom suffocates in a soundless vacuum. Without freedom

of worship, the soul of freedom is lost. Without the freedom to arm oneself, defeat by tyranny is inevitable. Freedom is a way of life.

Moreover, add to the body of freedom anything that it is not, then there also, freedom is cheapened and eroded. There is no freedom from being offended, no freedom from want, nor any freedom that guarantees happiness.

Freedom is not license; it is a heavy responsibility. Used unwisely, for example to wallow in the excesses of physical pleasure, it is wasted and soon lost. Its abuse brings misfortune and ruin. The proper use of freedom is to employ it in the

promotion of justice tempered with mercy, to protect the innocent, to educate, to produce the advances in the arts and sciences which give mankind dignity and a sense of worth. It nourishes both the inward self, and at the same time, guides us outward,
toward that which is greater than the self.

Nothing about freedom is simple or easy. That is why so many men squander it, and cast it as one might pearls before swine. That is why tyrants arise, armed not only with the sword, but with lies and deception, with promises of riches that are not

earned, and of treasures that are stolen from others.

Freedom is not given; it is taken, by force if necessary. The free man takes his freedom, and then shares its blessings with others who also strive to take their own freedom. The free man owes his freedom to no one but God, and he readily expresses

his gratitude for it to Him, and to those who have bled and suffered and died to protect it.

The free man seeks for his own good first, but does so that he may seek it for others as well. Indeed, the free man is selfless enough to lay down his life for it. As with love, freedom is not selfish, nor boastful, nor arrogant. It seeks not to

rule others, nor to take away anyone else’s freedom, but rather to serve freedom’s cause for everyone who will have it.

Pity those who do not value freedom above all else, for to them, all else will soon be lost.
.

What's the context of this, Bob? Are you complaining about the lockdown and quarantine?

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On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 8:46:13 PM UTC-4, NUR wrote:

What's the context of this, Bob? Are you complaining about the lockdown and quarantine?

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I wrote this a year ago, and re-posted it now.
The context now is the same as it was before.

The difference now, since you mentioned the lockdown,
is that we are seeing how ready government always is
to expand its power.

Sadly, too many people are too willing yield their freedom,
and to trust those who abuse that trust.

In that regard, it is also a commentary to Baha'is regarding their Administrative Order, which as I show in The Guardian Problem posts,
has no legitimacy, and which insulates itself from accountability with
secrecy.

Is there anything about freedom, as spoken of in my commentary,
which you find objectionable?
.
.

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On Sunday, 17 May 2020 01:21:22 UTC+10, Bob wrote:

What is more valuable to a free man than his freedom? Is it safety? Comfort? Love? Whatever treasures one can name, each of them, without freedom, is sooner or later, forfeit.

Our freedoms are not separate items on a list. They are all interlocked and interdependent. Take away any part of freedom, and all of it begins to crumble. Without freedom of speech, all of freedom suffocates in a soundless vacuum. Without freedom

of worship, the soul of freedom is lost. Without the freedom to arm oneself, defeat by tyranny is inevitable. Freedom is a way of life.

Moreover, add to the body of freedom anything that it is not, then there also, freedom is cheapened and eroded. There is no freedom from being offended, no freedom from want, nor any freedom that guarantees happiness.

Freedom is not license; it is a heavy responsibility. Used unwisely, for example to wallow in the excesses of physical pleasure, it is wasted and soon lost. Its abuse brings misfortune and ruin. The proper use of freedom is to employ it in the

promotion of justice tempered with mercy, to protect the innocent, to educate, to produce the advances in the arts and sciences which give mankind dignity and a sense of worth. It nourishes both the inward self, and at the same time, guides us outward,
toward that which is greater than the self.

Nothing about freedom is simple or easy. That is why so many men squander it, and cast it as one might pearls before swine. That is why tyrants arise, armed not only with the sword, but with lies and deception, with promises of riches that are not

earned, and of treasures that are stolen from others.

Freedom is not given; it is taken, by force if necessary. The free man takes his freedom, and then shares its blessings with others who also strive to take their own freedom. The free man owes his freedom to no one but God, and he readily expresses

his gratitude for it to Him, and to those who have bled and suffered and died to protect it.

The free man seeks for his own good first, but does so that he may seek it for others as well. Indeed, the free man is selfless enough to lay down his life for it. As with love, freedom is not selfish, nor boastful, nor arrogant. It seeks not to

rule others, nor to take away anyone else’s freedom, but rather to serve freedom’s cause for everyone who will have it.

Pity those who do not value freedom above all else, for to them, all else will soon be lost.
.

Freedom is a good thing but it also a subjective thing. Individually freedom without individual obligations and duties, and especially social contract collectively, becomes a form of tyranny. I don't use the word anarchy because this word is abused and
most people do not understand what political anarchy actually means.

That aside, when white men speak of freedom it is usually the loss of some kind of privilege, and not freedom per se, that they usually complain about. Almost all conservatives argue freedom from this fallacy.

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On Monday, 18 May 2020 00:50:00 UTC+10, Bob wrote:

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 8:46:13 PM UTC-4, NUR wrote:

What's the context of this, Bob? Are you complaining about the lockdown and quarantine?

- - - - - - - - - - -

I wrote this a year ago, and re-posted it now.
The context now is the same as it was before.

The difference now, since you mentioned the lockdown,
is that we are seeing how ready government always is
to expand its power.

Sadly, too many people are too willing yield their freedom,
and to trust those who abuse that trust.

In that regard, it is also a commentary to Baha'is regarding their Administrative Order, which as I show in The Guardian Problem posts,
has no legitimacy, and which insulates itself from accountability with secrecy.

Is there anything about freedom, as spoken of in my commentary,
which you find objectionable?
.
.

Freedom is a good thing but it also a subjective thing. Individually freedom without individual obligations and duties, and especially social contract collectively, becomes a form of tyranny. I don't use the word anarchy because this word is abused and
most people do not understand what political anarchy actually means.

That aside, when white men speak of freedom it is usually about privilege (the privilege of white men re-termed 'freedom'), and not freedom per se, that they usually complain about. Almost all conservatives argue freedom from this fallacy.

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As I said in the OP
Freedom is not license; it is a heavy responsibility.
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On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:47:07 AM UTC-4, NUR wrote:

Freedom is a good thing but it also a subjective thing. Individually freedom without individual obligations and duties, and especially social contract collectively, becomes a form of tyranny. I don't use the word anarchy because this word is abused and

most people do not understand what political anarchy actually means.

That aside, when white men speak of freedom it is usually about privilege (the privilege of white men re-termed 'freedom'), and not freedom per se, that they usually complain about. Almost all conservatives argue freedom from this fallacy.

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As I said in the OP:
Freedom is not license; it is a heavy responsibility.


On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:47:07 AM UTC-4, NUR wrote:

Freedom is a good thing but it also a subjective thing. Individually freedom without individual obligations and duties, and especially social contract collectively, becomes a form of tyranny. I don't use the word anarchy because this word is abused and

most people do not understand what political anarchy actually means.

That aside, when white men speak of freedom it is usually about privilege (the privilege of white men re-termed 'freedom'), and not freedom per se, that they usually complain about. Almost all conservatives argue freedom from this fallacy.

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