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    From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 29 16:17:33 2019
    XPost: alt.religion.buddhism, alt.religion.hindu, alt.religion.wicca
    XPost: talk.religion.newage

    On Nov 29, 2019, David Dalton wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2391AAA50364DE5570000E5F62CF@news.eternal-september.org>):

    On Nov 27, 2019, dale wrote
    (in article<963utel6hseu75re2eh573misn4qoh7tdq@4ax.com>):

    What are the metaphysics that explain suffering and an ending of
    suffering.

    Here is one that makes some sense to me ...

    “You are not IN the universe, you ARE the universe, an intrinsic part
    of it. Ultimately you are not a person, but a focal point where the universe is becoming conscious of itself. What an amazing miracle.”

    Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth

    I think saying that “I am one with the universe” is stupid. I am
    a subset of the universe, though that does not necessarily
    imply that my consciousness is a subset of the consciousness
    of the universe, which itself is a subset of the universe. And
    I believe that the universe was conscious long before the
    human species was around.

    Saying that “I am one with the universe” can be related to
    the belief by some Wiccans that their Goddess and
    Horned God are female and male aspects of The All
    and other gods and goddesses are aspects of the
    Goddess and Horned God. Though I am a neopagan,
    I don’t subscribe to that view, but believe that many
    gods and goddesses once lived as humans and
    are not merely facets of The All. Also I don’t believe
    that a subset of The All counts as an aspect of The All.

    Also you posted to alt.religion.pantheism, which is not in
    my newsgroups list, instead of talk.religion.pantheism, which is.

    I just downloaded a new list of groups from Eternal September
    and it does include free.metaphysics, but not alt.metaphysics, talk.philosophy.metaphysics, or alt.religion.pantheism.

    Also alt.buddha.short.fat.guy has a lot more traffic than
    alt.religion.buddhism .

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “‘Early morning jubilators/Up to no good instigators.../Sons of long forgotten races/That the darkest night embraces.” (Hynes/O'Doherty)

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  • From dale@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 29 17:57:18 2019
    XPost: alt.religion.buddhism, alt.religion.hindu, alt.religion.wicca
    XPost: talk.religion.newage

    On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 16:17:33 -0330, David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com>
    wrote:

    On Nov 29, 2019, David Dalton wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2391AAA50364DE5570000E5F62CF@news.eternal-september.org>):

    On Nov 27, 2019, dale wrote
    (in article<963utel6hseu75re2eh573misn4qoh7tdq@4ax.com>):

    What are the metaphysics that explain suffering and an ending of
    suffering.

    Here is one that makes some sense to me ...

    You are not IN the universe, you ARE the universe, an intrinsic part
    of it. Ultimately you are not a person, but a focal point where the
    universe is becoming conscious of itself. What an amazing miracle.

    Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth

    I think saying that I am one with the universe is stupid. I am
    a subset of the universe, though that does not necessarily
    imply that my consciousness is a subset of the consciousness
    of the universe, which itself is a subset of the universe. And
    I believe that the universe was conscious long before the
    human species was around.

    Saying that I am one with the universe can be related to
    the belief by some Wiccans that their Goddess and
    Horned God are female and male aspects of The All
    and other gods and goddesses are aspects of the
    Goddess and Horned God. Though I am a neopagan,
    I dont subscribe to that view, but believe that many
    gods and goddesses once lived as humans and
    are not merely facets of The All. Also I dont believe
    that a subset of The All counts as an aspect of The All.

    I think femininity has to be in there somewhere.

    Here are some of my present thinking in terms of Vedanta ...

    panentheism - Dvaita?
    pantheism - Adviata?

    the meaning of the brush strokes of the symbol Om could be applied
    both ways?



    Also you posted to alt.religion.pantheism, which is not in
    my newsgroups list, instead of talk.religion.pantheism, which is.


    my bad, I got the group name wrong

    I just downloaded a new list of groups from Eternal September
    and it does include free.metaphysics, but not alt.metaphysics, >talk.philosophy.metaphysics, or alt.religion.pantheism.


    same here

    I use altopia with e-s as my backup


    Also alt.buddha.short.fat.guy has a lot more traffic than >alt.religion.buddhism .

    a happy Buddha is great, will add that group
    --
    Dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/

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