• universalism?

    From dale@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 16 20:41:23 2020
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    universalism has value?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism

    what would you consider to include?

    what would you consider to leave out?

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  • From Trolidous@21:1/5 to Dale on Sun Feb 28 16:14:50 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics

    Dale wrote:
    “You are not IN the universe, you ARE the universe, an intrinsic part
    of it. Ultimately you are not a person, but a focal point where the
    universe is becoming conscious of itself." - Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth

    Scientists do not have a coherent definition of
    'universe'.

    Sadly, even theologians do not have one. Is a
    god a part of a universe, or separate from a
    universe? If separate, then isn't the 'uni'
    or 'one' in 'universe' misnamed?

    But when it comes to physicists, they have
    built a great mystery over 'particles' and
    'waves'.

    However, 'point' and 'curve' have coherent
    definitions in mathematics. Physicists
    are confused however because they have
    terms called 'particle' and 'wave' that
    only have the look and feel of point and
    curve. If physicists don't clearly define
    their terms, then should they be surprised
    if their terms are 'mysterious'?

    The term 'universe' may very well be worse
    however. Where does a 'universe' end and
    a 'multiverse' start? They might as well
    be talking gibberish.

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Trolidous on Sun Feb 28 23:02:23 2021
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    On 2/28/2021 7:14 PM, Trolidous wrote:
    Dale wrote:
    “You are not IN the universe, you ARE the universe, an intrinsic part
    of it. Ultimately you are not a person, but a focal point where the
    universe is becoming conscious of itself." - Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth

    Scientists do not have a coherent definition of
    'universe'.

    Sadly, even theologians do not have one.  Is a
    god a part of a universe, or separate from a
    universe?  If separate, then isn't the 'uni'
    or 'one' in 'universe' misnamed?

    But when it comes to physicists, they have
    built a great mystery over 'particles' and
    'waves'.

    However, 'point' and 'curve' have coherent
    definitions in mathematics.  Physicists
    are confused however because they have
    terms called 'particle' and 'wave' that
    only have the look and feel of point and
    curve.  If physicists don't clearly define
    their terms, then should they be surprised
    if their terms are 'mysterious'?

    The term 'universe' may very well be worse
    however.  Where does a 'universe' end and
    a 'multiverse' start?  They might as well
    be talking gibberish.


    although Bertrand Russel had a set paradox to this ...

    Godhead is "the whole"?

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    Universalist <-> Mystic <-> Medium

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  • From Trolidous@21:1/5 to Dale on Mon Mar 1 14:04:32 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics

    Dale wrote:
    On 2/28/2021 7:14 PM, Trolidous wrote:
    Dale wrote:
    “You are not IN the universe, you ARE the universe, an intrinsic part
    of it. Ultimately you are not a person, but a focal point where the
    universe is becoming conscious of itself." - Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth

    Scientists do not have a coherent definition of
    'universe'.

    Sadly, even theologians do not have one. Is a
    god a part of a universe, or separate from a
    universe? If separate, then isn't the 'uni'
    or 'one' in 'universe' misnamed?

    But when it comes to physicists, they have
    built a great mystery over 'particles' and
    'waves'.

    However, 'point' and 'curve' have coherent
    definitions in mathematics. Physicists
    are confused however because they have
    terms called 'particle' and 'wave' that
    only have the look and feel of point and
    curve. If physicists don't clearly define
    their terms, then should they be surprised
    if their terms are 'mysterious'?

    The term 'universe' may very well be worse
    however. Where does a 'universe' end and
    a 'multiverse' start? They might as well
    be talking gibberish.


    although Bertrand Russel had a set paradox to this ...

    Godhead is "the whole"?

    There are an array of ideas put forth about the nature
    of a god.

    It seems to me that there is a term on Wikipedia for
    something close to 'the universe is a part of a god'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

    It gets even more unclear when you start translating
    between languages. When it comes to polytheism there
    could be questions about whether 'angels' are lesser
    gods and whether 'messengers' could deliver 'godhood'.

    Then of course even more unclear are 'spirits'.

    Should 'Shinto' be translated into English as 'the
    way of the gods' or 'the way of the spirits'.

    If you have something on the order of 'the universe
    is a part of a god', however, then like with 'multiverse'
    the 'uni' might not refer to 'one' or the 'whole'
    anymore.

    It can be nice when words mean what they are
    in general supposed to mean rather than something
    different or the opposite. Words however are not
    absolutes, rather they can at best be representations
    of absolutes. They can thus be prone to mutation into
    their opposites. True absolutes are possible to
    resist mutation into opposites. Specifics, however,
    are prone to mutation into opposites. Why? Words can
    be either true or false, and so as such, can be
    prone to mutation in meaning.

    So what is a 'universe'? Who knows?

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