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    From Trolidous@21:1/5 to Dale on Thu Feb 25 11:42:22 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics

    Dale wrote:

    entropy and impermanence are the same?

    This post will probably not get through. I am thinking
    that I have likely been banned from talk.origins.

    Entropy is defined in several different ways.

    Probably the most basic ones have to do with heat flow
    and statistical probabilities.

    As far as the heat flow definition the most basic definition
    can be summarized as:

    Heat flow in divided by temperature.

    Now to have heat flow you need movement of heat between objects.

    Based upon conservation of energy the heat flow out of one object
    will be equal to the heat flow into another one.

    Because of the temperature part of the equation however heat flow
    into an object at a cold temperature as the divisor will be greater
    then heat flow out of an object with the higher temperature as
    the divisor. A net entropy increase for both objects will therefore
    occur when heat flows from a hot object to a cold object. A net entropy decrease will occur however if heat flows from a cold object
    into a hot object. The statement that entropy tends to increase is
    simply a restatement of the idea that heat flows from hot objects
    into cold objects and not the other way around.

    There is however a second statement concerning thermodynamics that has
    to do with statistics.

    It can be stated as this:

    A thermodynamic system will tend to increase based upon the statistical properties of the system.

    Don't start dwelling about unfounded assertions and articles of faith
    about the universe.

    Quantum mechanics explicitly violates the second law of thermodynamics.

    Quantum mechanics was formulated during the early to middle 20th century whereas thermodynamics was founded in the 19th century. There was only
    several decades between the two but by the time the second was
    formulated the first had become entrenched dogma. Any one who even
    remotely implied that quantum mechanics violated the second law was
    instantly tarred with the phrase 'perpetual motion machine' and branded
    as 'insane' by the modern religion called 'psychology'.

    But if someone is not biased the evidence mounts overwhelmingly that
    quantum mechanics and the interaction of the forces with them produce
    a net decrease in entropy.

    All life on Earth and all of human civilization is an aggregate of
    low entropy. The probably that a set of atoms at any one instant
    will randomly come together to produce a human or even a single
    cell is extremely low. Now quantum mechanics allows matter and energy
    to condense at specific locations in comparison with other ones and
    sets up the framework for the existence of chemistry, and thus
    biochemistry.

    Although biologists have not lived that long, they generally theorize
    that the Earth has existed for billions of years and so the net decrease
    of entropy on Earth known of as 'life' has happened as a
    byproduct of the input of solar energy over the course of such long
    periods of time.

    I will just cut out talk.origins from the post. Moderated usenet
    groups are a bad idea anyway.

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Trolidous on Thu Feb 25 17:45:26 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics

    On 2/25/2021 2:42 PM, Trolidous wrote:
    Dale wrote:

    entropy and impermanence are the same?

    This post will probably not get through.  I am thinking
    that I have likely been banned from talk.origins.

    Entropy is defined in several different ways.

    Probably the most basic ones have to do with heat flow
    and statistical probabilities.

    As far as the heat flow definition the most basic definition
    can be summarized as:

    Heat flow in divided by temperature.

    Now to have heat flow you need movement of heat between objects.

    Based upon conservation of energy the heat flow out of one object
    will be equal to the heat flow into another one.

    Because of the temperature part of the equation however heat flow
    into an object at a cold temperature as the divisor will be greater
    then heat flow out of an object with the higher temperature as
    the divisor.  A net entropy increase for both objects will therefore
    occur when heat flows from a hot object to a cold object.  A net entropy decrease will occur however if heat flows from a cold object
    into a hot object.  The statement that entropy tends to increase is
    simply a restatement of the idea that heat flows from hot objects
    into cold objects and not the other way around.

    There is however a second statement concerning thermodynamics that has
    to do with statistics.

    It can be stated as this:

    A thermodynamic system will tend to increase based upon the statistical properties of the system.

    Don't start dwelling about unfounded assertions and articles of faith
    about the universe.

    Quantum mechanics explicitly violates the second law of thermodynamics.

    Quantum mechanics was formulated during the early to middle 20th century whereas thermodynamics was founded in the 19th century.  There was only several decades between the two but by the time the second was
    formulated the first had become entrenched dogma.  Any one who even
    remotely implied that quantum mechanics violated the second law was
    instantly tarred with the phrase 'perpetual motion machine' and branded
    as 'insane' by the modern religion called 'psychology'.

    But if someone is not biased the evidence mounts overwhelmingly that
    quantum mechanics and the interaction of the forces with them produce
    a net decrease in entropy.

    All life on Earth and all of human civilization is an aggregate of
    low entropy.  The probably that a set of atoms at any one instant
    will randomly come together to produce a human or even a single
    cell is extremely low.  Now quantum mechanics allows matter and energy
    to condense at specific locations in comparison with other ones and
    sets up the framework for the existence of chemistry, and thus
    biochemistry.

    Although biologists have not lived that long, they generally theorize
    that the Earth has existed for billions of years and so the net decrease
    of entropy on Earth known of as 'life' has happened as a
    byproduct of the input of solar energy over the course of such long
    periods of time.

    I will just cut out talk.origins from the post.  Moderated usenet
    groups are a bad idea anyway.




    Nice read !!!!

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 27 15:03:45 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.newage, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.magick

    entropy?


    is entropy ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)

    ... the same as impermanence ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence

    ... ?

    Is Zero Point Energy merely entropy at the quantum level ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

    ... ?


    entropy?

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  • From Dale@21:1/5 to Ted on Sun Jun 27 15:59:24 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.newage, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.magick

    On 6/27/2021 3:28 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:03:45 -0400, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    entropy?




    is entropy ...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)


    ... the same as impermanence ...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence


    ... ?


    Is Zero Point Energy merely entropy at the quantum level ...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy


    ... ?




    entropy?


    --
    Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/


    We believe God's word, not entropy.


    change isn't a part of God's word?

    --
    Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Dale on Sun Jun 27 13:09:29 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.newage, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.magick

    On 2021-06-27 12:59 p.m., Dale wrote:
    On 6/27/2021 3:28 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:03:45 -0400, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
    entropy?




    is entropy ...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)


    ... the same as impermanence ...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence


    ... ?


    Is Zero Point Energy merely entropy at the quantum level ...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy


    ... ?




    entropy?


    --
    Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/


    We believe God's word, not entropy.


    change isn't a part of God's word?


    Hepatic atrophy can also occur as a result of reduced blood flow from
    damage to the circulatory system. Circulatory damage to a lobe of the
    liver may result in atrophy of that portion of the lobe while the
    remaining liver may be normal.

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  • From Unbreakable Disease@21:1/5 to Ted on Sun Jun 27 21:21:00 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.newage, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.magick

    On 27.06.2021 20:53, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:35:00 +0000, Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
    On 27.06.2021 20:20, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:59:24 -0400, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    On 6/27/2021 3:28 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:03:45 -0400, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> >
    wrote:
    entropy?
    is entropy ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
    ... the same as impermanence ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence
    ... ?
    Is Zero Point Energy merely entropy at the quantum level
    ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
    ... ?
    entropy?
    -- >> Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/
    We believe God's word, not entropy.
    change isn't a part of God's word?
    Absolutely not. It's only unbelieving liberals who want to change
    it. We
    still use the same
    King James Version used by Apostle Paul.
    English language didn't exist in 1st century AD. English started to
    form
    first between 5th and 7th century AD. The
    transition to modern English began in 15th century, with proper modern
    English in place in late 17th century.


    So? That's neither here nor there. We know
    the Apostle Paul used the KJV, as the article
    linked below mentions. In fact, after I read
    that, I made contact with the successful
    bidder from whom I've gotten photocopied
    pages.



    https://babylonbee.com/news/apostle-pauls-king-james-bible-auction
    It's a satirical website, good for getting laughs. On Usenet, unlike on
    social media, there is nothing that will suggest it's fake news or
    satire, you are on your own there. https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/08/16/readers-think-satire-is-real/

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  • From Ted@21:1/5 to pursent100@gmail.com on Mon Jun 28 15:34:55 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.newage, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.magick

    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 14:02:38 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2021-06-27 1:21 p.m., Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 13:09:29 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On 2021-06-27 12:59 p.m., Dale wrote:
    On 6/27/2021 3:28 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:03:45 -0400, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    entropy?




    is entropy ...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)


    ... the same as impermanence ...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence


    ... ?


    Is Zero Point Energy merely entropy at the quantum level ...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy


    ... ?




    entropy?


    -- >>> Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/


    We believe God's word, not entropy.
    change isn't a part of God's word?



    Hepatic atrophy can also occur as a result of reduced blood flow
    from
    damage to the circulatory system.
    Circulatory damage to a lobe of the liver may result in atrophy
    of
    that portion
    of the lobe while the remaining liver may be normal.


    I hate when that happens.


    it makes you mental too ,
    you don't know what year it is ,
    you don't know when you were born ,
    that part's fun


    Damn!

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  • From Ted@21:1/5 to unbreakable@secmail.pro on Mon Jun 28 15:34:29 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.newage, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.magick

    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 21:21:00 +0000, Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
    On 27.06.2021 20:53, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:35:00 +0000, Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
    On 27.06.2021 20:20, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:59:24 -0400, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
    wrote:
    On 6/27/2021 3:28 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:03:45 -0400, Dale
    <dale@dalekelly.org> >
    wrote:
    entropy?
    is entropy ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
    ... the same as impermanence ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence
    ... ?
    Is Zero Point Energy merely entropy at the quantum
    level
    ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
    ... ?
    entropy?
    -- >> Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/
    We believe God's word, not entropy.
    change isn't a part of God's word?
    Absolutely not. It's only unbelieving liberals who want
    to change
    it. We
    still use the same
    King James Version used by Apostle Paul.
    English language didn't exist in 1st century AD. English started
    to
    form
    first between 5th and 7th century AD. The
    transition to modern English began in 15th century, with proper
    modern
    English in place in late 17th century.


    So? That's neither here nor there. We know
    the Apostle Paul used the KJV, as the article
    linked below mentions. In fact, after I read
    that, I made contact with the successful
    bidder from whom I've gotten photocopied
    pages.



    https://babylonbee.com/news/apostle-pauls-king-james-bible-auction
    It's a satirical website, good for getting laughs. On Usenet,
    unlike on
    social media, there is nothing that will suggest it's fake news or
    satire, you are on your own there.



    Again, that's irrelevant. It isn't "fake news"
    just because you don't like it. You have the
    right to believe what you choose, it's a free
    country, but the KJV's primacy is beyond
    dispute, and this is just one more reason.

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  • From Unbreakable Disease@21:1/5 to Ted on Tue Jun 29 20:43:00 2021
    XPost: free.metaphysics, talk.religion.newage, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.magick

    On 28.06.2021 19:34, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 21:21:00 +0000, Unbreakable Disease <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
    On 27.06.2021 20:53, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:35:00 +0000, Unbreakable Disease >
    <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
    On 27.06.2021 20:20, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:59:24 -0400, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> >
    wrote:
    On 6/27/2021 3:28 PM, Ted wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:03:45 -0400, Dale
    <dale@dalekelly.org> >
    wrote:
    entropy?
    is entropy ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
    ... the same as impermanence ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impermanence
    ... ?
    Is Zero Point Energy merely entropy at the quantum
    level
    ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
    ... ?
    entropy?
    -- >> Mystery -> https://www.dalekelly.org/
    We believe God's word, not entropy.
    change isn't a part of God's word?
    Absolutely not. It's only unbelieving liberals who want
    to change
    it. We
    still use the same
    King James Version used by Apostle Paul.
    English language didn't exist in 1st century AD. English started
    to
    form
    first between 5th and 7th century AD. The
    transition to modern English began in 15th century, with proper
    modern
    English in place in late 17th century.
    So? That's neither here nor there. We know
    the Apostle Paul used the KJV, as the article
    linked below mentions. In fact, after I read
    that, I made contact with the successful
    bidder from whom I've gotten photocopied
    pages.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/apostle-pauls-king-james-bible-auction
    It's a satirical website, good for getting laughs. On Usenet,
    unlike on
    social media, there is nothing that will suggest it's fake news or
    satire, you are on your own there.



    Again, that's irrelevant. It isn't "fake news" just because you don't
    like it. You have the right to believe what you choose, it's a free
    country, but the KJV's primacy is beyond dispute, and this is just one
    more reason.
    There is *abundance* of evidence that English didn't exist in first century.

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