• What's solipsism? Celestial!

    From course zealot@21:1/5 to Lee on Fri Feb 7 18:12:26 2020
    On Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 11:39:36 AM UTC-8, Lee wrote:
    Hi jon, all

    This is my shot at explaining solipsism
    back in '99, at the alt.solipsism n.g.

    ~ Lee

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    Newsgroups: alt.solipsism
    From: "Lee Flynn" <4gi...@innocent.com>
    Date: 1999/08/29
    Subject: Re: what's solipism

    Hey there,

    This is my first crack at answering this question, and so
    please just add "I suppose" or "I would guess that..." to
    every sentence that appears to speak for other than my
    own experience. That being said..

    Solipsism is a much maligned world-view that features the
    understanding that my _own_ world (that which orbits the Sun
    of my point of awareness) is truly the only world of which I have
    any real knowledge, and that profound shifts in understanding
    (or identity-in-the-world) come with successive moves away from
    the predominant view of a 'shared' world, objectively common to
    us all.

    In that sense, I would say anyone who breaks free of the
    'objective', impoverished world-view common to most (each
    of us being hapless cogs in an unknowable machine), toward
    the radically different perception of one's self as somehow
    creatively, *actively*, _central_ to the Whole Show has entered
    ... the solipsist's zone.

    In its exalted form, solipsism's roots extend to at least as
    far back as the Vedic scriptures of India (though its
    contemporary expressions more often than not seem to
    dramatize its afflicted forms). I can know and embrace
    that all of creation in some unfathomable sense expresses
    *my own* deepest nature and most intimate wish.

    The 'maligned' tag concerns two main issues: The
    misunderstanding by some that solipsism represents an
    obscene level of 'selfishness' and anti 'social' thinking, on the
    one hand, and the tendency of many solipsists to linger in the
    'adolescent' phase of the journey, where one is uncertain yet
    of just where this scenario leads, but damned certain it's
    slicker than that of the uninitiated. (Thus the clique-ishness

    Unwillingness or inability to assume the challenging and
    unwieldy inner work of higher solipsism can effectively lock
    one into an afflicted version of the perspective that is
    predominantly alienating and decidedly short of life-
    affirmative. (Understandably, this probably represents the
    point at which most inititiates abandon or 'outgrow' their
    solipsistic phase;).

    Breaking the spell of the predominant sense of (small)
    identity-in-the-world can grant an exhilirating feeling of
    deliverance into a vast new world of discovery, previously
    hidden by that of the old. In truth, there are endless stores
    of gifts and awakening that adorn the realm of "Self as Center
    of (your) Universe". Nothing less, in fact, than the joyous
    're-enchantment' of one's world. However, one must logically
    first resolve one's dis-enchantment, and this phase can be
    difficult and unpleasant - for oneself and for others. Here
    too, the aphorism holds: "The only way out is through."

    Different solipsists will describe the journey's end and
    purpose differently, to be sure. But for those who by choice or
    by grace become genuinely willing to abandon the relative
    comfort of consensus reality, and move through the necessary
    changes required, sufficiently to even once glimpse solipsism's
    paradoxical Prize of total responsibility / total deliverance
    (or Accountablity/Absolution or Understanding/Ignorance),
    every definition of solipsism short of this new mark represents
    merely one or another eddy-pool enroute to the ocean. Another
    waystation on the mountain trail. (Any other metaphors --
    anyone ?;)

    The road to mastery is paved -by nature- with muddlery, it
    seems. But solipsists know, at least, that this is not that
    same tired road they tread, before.

    Shalom, y'all

    Lee

    --
    Lucid Living Institute of Santa Fe
    "Exploring High Lucid Awareness"
    PO Box 1416
    Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504
    Ph/Fax 505.473.1302



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    >> what's solipism?

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  • From Miracles Are Seen In Light@21:1/5 to course zealot on Sun Feb 21 16:47:42 2021
    XPost: alt.religion.course-miracle

    On 2/7/2020 6:12 PM, course zealot wrote:
    On Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 11:39:36 AM UTC-8, Lee wrote:
    Hi jon, all

    This is my shot at explaining solipsism
    back in '99, at the alt.solipsism n.g.

    ~ Lee

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Newsgroups: alt.solipsism
    From: "Lee Flynn" <4gi...@innocent.com>
    Date: 1999/08/29
    Subject: Re: what's solipism

    Hey there,

    This is my first crack at answering this question, and so
    please just add "I suppose" or "I would guess that..." to
    every sentence that appears to speak for other than my
    own experience. That being said..

    Solipsism is a much maligned world-view that features the
    understanding that my _own_ world (that which orbits the Sun
    of my point of awareness) is truly the only world of which I have
    any real knowledge, and that profound shifts in understanding
    (or identity-in-the-world) come with successive moves away from
    the predominant view of a 'shared' world, objectively common to
    us all.

    In that sense, I would say anyone who breaks free of the
    'objective', impoverished world-view common to most (each
    of us being hapless cogs in an unknowable machine), toward
    the radically different perception of one's self as somehow
    creatively, *actively*, _central_ to the Whole Show has entered
    ... the solipsist's zone.

    In its exalted form, solipsism's roots extend to at least as
    far back as the Vedic scriptures of India (though its
    contemporary expressions more often than not seem to
    dramatize its afflicted forms). I can know and embrace
    that all of creation in some unfathomable sense expresses
    *my own* deepest nature and most intimate wish.

    The 'maligned' tag concerns two main issues: The
    misunderstanding by some that solipsism represents an
    obscene level of 'selfishness' and anti 'social' thinking, on the
    one hand, and the tendency of many solipsists to linger in the
    'adolescent' phase of the journey, where one is uncertain yet
    of just where this scenario leads, but damned certain it's
    slicker than that of the uninitiated. (Thus the clique-ishness

    Unwillingness or inability to assume the challenging and
    unwieldy inner work of higher solipsism can effectively lock
    one into an afflicted version of the perspective that is
    predominantly alienating and decidedly short of life-
    affirmative. (Understandably, this probably represents the
    point at which most inititiates abandon or 'outgrow' their
    solipsistic phase;).

    Breaking the spell of the predominant sense of (small)
    identity-in-the-world can grant an exhilirating feeling of
    deliverance into a vast new world of discovery, previously
    hidden by that of the old. In truth, there are endless stores
    of gifts and awakening that adorn the realm of "Self as Center
    of (your) Universe". Nothing less, in fact, than the joyous
    're-enchantment' of one's world. However, one must logically
    first resolve one's dis-enchantment, and this phase can be
    difficult and unpleasant - for oneself and for others. Here
    too, the aphorism holds: "The only way out is through."

    Different solipsists will describe the journey's end and
    purpose differently, to be sure. But for those who by choice or
    by grace become genuinely willing to abandon the relative
    comfort of consensus reality, and move through the necessary
    changes required, sufficiently to even once glimpse solipsism's
    paradoxical Prize of total responsibility / total deliverance
    (or Accountablity/Absolution or Understanding/Ignorance),
    every definition of solipsism short of this new mark represents
    merely one or another eddy-pool enroute to the ocean. Another
    waystation on the mountain trail. (Any other metaphors --
    anyone ?;)

    The road to mastery is paved -by nature- with muddlery, it
    seems. But solipsists know, at least, that this is not that
    same tired road they tread, before.

    Shalom, y'all

    Lee

    --
    Lucid Living Institute of Santa Fe
    "Exploring High Lucid Awareness"
    PO Box 1416
    Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504
    Ph/Fax 505.473.1302



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    >>
    >> what's solipism?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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  • From Miracles Are Seen In Light@21:1/5 to course zealot on Sun Feb 21 16:55:59 2021
    XPost: alt.religion.course-miracle

    On 2/7/2020 6:12 PM, course zealot wrote:
    On Thursday, December 20, 2007 at 11:39:36 AM UTC-8, Lee wrote:
    Hi jon, all

    This is my shot at explaining solipsism
    back in '99, at the alt.solipsism n.g.

    ~ Lee

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Newsgroups: alt.solipsism
    From: "Lee Flynn" <4gi...@innocent.com>
    Date: 1999/08/29
    Subject: Re: what's solipism

    Hey there,

    This is my first crack at answering this question, and so
    please just add "I suppose" or "I would guess that..." to
    every sentence that appears to speak for other than my
    own experience. That being said..

    Solipsism is a much maligned world-view that features the
    understanding that my _own_ world (that which orbits the Sun
    of my point of awareness) is truly the only world of which I have
    any real knowledge, and that profound shifts in understanding
    (or identity-in-the-world) come with successive moves away from
    the predominant view of a 'shared' world, objectively common to
    us all.

    In that sense, I would say anyone who breaks free of the
    'objective', impoverished world-view common to most (each
    of us being hapless cogs in an unknowable machine), toward
    the radically different perception of one's self as somehow
    creatively, *actively*, _central_ to the Whole Show has entered
    ... the solipsist's zone.

    In its exalted form, solipsism's roots extend to at least as
    far back as the Vedic scriptures of India (though its
    contemporary expressions more often than not seem to
    dramatize its afflicted forms). I can know and embrace
    that all of creation in some unfathomable sense expresses
    *my own* deepest nature and most intimate wish.

    The 'maligned' tag concerns two main issues: The
    misunderstanding by some that solipsism represents an
    obscene level of 'selfishness' and anti 'social' thinking, on the
    one hand, and the tendency of many solipsists to linger in the
    'adolescent' phase of the journey, where one is uncertain yet
    of just where this scenario leads, but damned certain it's
    slicker than that of the uninitiated. (Thus the clique-ishness

    Unwillingness or inability to assume the challenging and
    unwieldy inner work of higher solipsism can effectively lock
    one into an afflicted version of the perspective that is
    predominantly alienating and decidedly short of life-
    affirmative. (Understandably, this probably represents the
    point at which most inititiates abandon or 'outgrow' their
    solipsistic phase;).

    Breaking the spell of the predominant sense of (small)
    identity-in-the-world can grant an exhilirating feeling of
    deliverance into a vast new world of discovery, previously
    hidden by that of the old. In truth, there are endless stores
    of gifts and awakening that adorn the realm of "Self as Center
    of (your) Universe". Nothing less, in fact, than the joyous
    're-enchantment' of one's world. However, one must logically
    first resolve one's dis-enchantment, and this phase can be
    difficult and unpleasant - for oneself and for others. Here
    too, the aphorism holds: "The only way out is through."

    Different solipsists will describe the journey's end and
    purpose differently, to be sure. But for those who by choice or
    by grace become genuinely willing to abandon the relative
    comfort of consensus reality, and move through the necessary
    changes required, sufficiently to even once glimpse solipsism's
    paradoxical Prize of total responsibility / total deliverance
    (or Accountablity/Absolution or Understanding/Ignorance),
    every definition of solipsism short of this new mark represents
    merely one or another eddy-pool enroute to the ocean. Another
    waystation on the mountain trail. (Any other metaphors --
    anyone ?;)

    The road to mastery is paved -by nature- with muddlery, it
    seems. But solipsists know, at least, that this is not that
    same tired road they tread, before.

    Shalom, y'all

    Lee

    --
    Lucid Living Institute of Santa Fe
    "Exploring High Lucid Awareness"
    PO Box 1416
    Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504
    Ph/Fax 505.473.1302



    L.Jackson <synthetic_fi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    >>
    >> what's solipism?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/talk.religion.course-miracle/after$3A2013$2F03$2F30$20AND$20before$3A2013$2F04$2F01/talk.religion.course-miracle/PjnVWPLzU7s


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