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i like this one; commonly translated as;
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3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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i think it would be better translated as;
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And YHWH God said; Behold, the man is become as another [away] FROM us,
to perceive good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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as if, the man was -another- to fall =away FROM= YHWH as the serpent
already had. because the man certainly did not become one like
YHWH God but became more like the serpent away FROM God.
and this is evident in the vowel pointers inserted by the Masoretes,
and, if you did look at the Masoretic text you would see that,
when the same vowel pointers are used by them, in other places,
you always get "From" and not "of"
for instance;
that _of_ found in genesis 3:22 מִ מֶּ נּו [as one _of_ us]
is the same "from" found in Exodus 8:8 where Pharoah
asks for the frogs to be taken -away- _from_ מִ מ him
and also, the same "from" as Moses says, you shall
-not- take away "from" מִ מֶּ נּו the words of this law,
neither shall you add to it. {Deut 12:32]
and "from" is just about always speaking of a thing
that is taken =away= _from_ something else, even if it
is a thing eaten -from- a particular tree.
one plucks a piece of fruit away -from- a tree,
and when you do, that piece of fruit is no
longer part of that tree, and generally
begins to decay.
so, even if one suggests that "The Man"
was pushed or pulled -away- =from= YHWH
"The Man" is still, -away- _from_ YHWH
and -not- "One -of- Us"
...that tree was not "good for food"
and Eve \thought\ it was "pleasing to the eye" but later
said she was "tricked" God's tree plantings were "pleasing to the eye"
and/or "good for food." i have a theory that the tree itself was
the serpent's own ideology and not God's tree.
so, it could not have made the couple "like God" but "like the serpent"
see it's all very simple, and rapt up in the very identifiers of YHWH
to make this as simple as possible, let's just deal with singulars
like "i" and "me" even if we may find that we have to broaden out
to "we" and "us" because the reality is sort of that way.
ok, so, YHWH says things to the effect;
"i am what i will be"
"i will be what i was"
"i am what i am"
"i will be what i will be"
things like that, where the implication is of
the steadfast nature of YHWH,
that YHWH really and truly -is- The Same YHWH yesterday and
in the future, where "right now" is that very elusive thing
that you can't quite hold in your hands but everyone would
like to think that there is such a thing, "right now"
...oops slipped away, that was -then- and this is -now- ...
so, YHWH is always and forever, YHWH
not a stagnant pond, but a fountain of Living Waters...
where we have a "multifaceted" personality with a "manifold wisdom"
ok, so, now, we think we have a bead on YHWH, hold that for a moment...
now, we want to look as some -other- personalities, even if these
personalities were originally manufactured -by- YHWH, these same
personalities, begin to exhibit a "turning away" -from- original specs
and do -not- "become what they are"
but, instead, "become what they are -not-"
in other words, a distorted lie of sorts
of their -own- manufacture.
now, we look at these three;
the Nachash/serpent in the earthly garden of delights, [genesis 3]
"HeylEl" sometimes called "Lucifer" "light bringer" [Isaiah 14]
and the King of Tyre who was spoken of as an "anointed Cherub" [Ezekiel 28]
the thing that you'll find similar among all these,
is that they did -not-
"become what they were" or "be what they be"
-like- YHWH
but that they "became what they were not"
which is to say, -they- "changed"
and "changed" for the -worse- and -not- the better.
no, they did not become more -like- "The Original"
they wandered -away- =FROM= the Original and
wandered off in to a distorted lie.
it says;
"the serpent became crafty"
"Heylel proposed in [his] heart to become
self Magnified and self Glorified, and was 'cut down'
and that anointed Cherub was created 'flawless'
and -became- filled with 'violence and injustice'
point being, they all "became what they were not"
the "good" that they were created in, -became- a "bad" lie
-they- developed a "perception of good and bad"
-they- questioned the Word of YHWH
-they- 'proposed' a lie in their hearts
-they- -became- 'unjust'
and YHWH
"i am what i will be"
"i will be what i was"
"i am what i am"
"i will be what i will be"
so, these all fell -away- =from= YHWH
and now, we see the two humans in the garden...
"Adam and Eve" if you like... or "The Man" if you will...
when they ate of that tree of the perception of good and bad
-they- =fell= AWAY _FROM_ YHWH and did -not- 'become' "Like YHWH"
-they- became 'like' The serpent...AWAY _From_ YHWH
"Behold, "The Man" has become another [AWAY] _From_ 'Us'
to have a perception of good and bad"
and that _from_ found in genesis 3:22
is the same "from" found in Exodus 8:8 where Pharoah
asks for the frogs to be taken -away- _from_ him
and also, teh same "from" as Moses says, you shall
-not- take away "from" the words of this law,
neither shall you add to it.
and "from" is just about always speaking of a thing
that is taken away from something else, even if it
is a thing eaten -from- a particular tree.
one plucks a piece of fruit away -from- a tree,
and when you do, that piece of fruit is no
longer part of that tree, and generally
begins to decay.
so, even if one suggests that "The Man"
was pushed or pulled -away- =from= YHWH
"The Man" is still, -away- _from_ YHWH
and -not- "One -of- Us"
"One -of- Us" is the very =lie= the serpent told to "the Man"
[yeah yeah yeah, i already said Adam and
Eve could be referred to as "the man"
even if they did become distinct]
YHWH never said;
"do not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it,
you shall become like YHWH and i don't want that"
no no no, YHWH said;
"do not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it,
To Die you shall Die"
in other words, "you shall become DEAD"
and we see how the serpent's form, was actually -changed-
by YHWH so as to reflect the change that had already occurred
in the serpent's heart, becoming 'crafty' and not of the Truth.
oh, and one other little bit;
see, it says that YHWH caused to sprout a variety of
trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food,
and -then- it mentions this "Tree [that] Lives"
being in the midst of the garden,
and -then- the mention is made of this 'other' tree that
was not good for food but called the tree of the 'perception'
of good and bad which was able to make one DEAD if eaten.
now, here the /order/ matters
because, if tree with the perception of good and bad, came -second-,
after the trees which were good for food and pleasing to the eye,
then, one may infer quite readily that YHWH caused -that one- to
"sprout" as well as the others, but, in that the tree of Life,
or the tree that -already- lives, is placed second, between
the trees pleasing to the eye and good for food,
we need not suggest that this tree of perception of good and bad,
was among those caused to sprout by YHWH,
and this is because, this tree that lives,
the tree of Life, is already alive and lives forevermore
and need not be -caused- to sprout and is even associated
with the wisdom and inherent perpetual life of YHWH.
so, you have, YHWH causing trees which are good
for food and pleasing to the eye, to sprout,
and, then, speaking of a tree that simply -lives-
which is already in the midst of the garden
and then, speaking of this other
tree which is not good for food
of which the serpent used lies to cause them to eat of it.
And YHWH God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us
one little thing of note;
'YHWH' does not appear in any english translation.
and 'YHWH' does not mean 'LORD' whether capitalized or no.
and this is still what is in the hebrew text of genesis 3:22
so, not even does the context of all the bible
agree with that notion, but the text itself
doesn't even say that.
and, 'YHWH' does not mean Lord nor does 'Lord' mean YHWH.
they did not become like YHWH Elohim
after having taken from the tree of
the knowledge of good and bad.
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Genesis 2:8-9,...16-17
YHWH God planted a garden eastward in Eden,
and there He put the man whom He had formed.
And out of the ground YHWH God made every tree
grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food.
The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden,
and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
...
And YHWH God commanded the man, saying, 'Of every
tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the
tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall
not eat, for in the day that you eat of it
you shall surely die.'
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Proverbs 3:13,...18-19
Happy is the man who finds wisdom,
And the man who gains understanding;
...
She is a tree of life to those who
take hold of her, And happy are all
who retain her. YHWH by wisdom
founded the earth; By understanding
He established the heavens;
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Genesis 3:4-6
Then the serpent said to the woman, You will
not surely die. For God knows that in the day
you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you
will be like God, knowing good and evil. So when
the woman saw that the tree was good for food,
that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a
tree desirable to make one wise, she
took of its fruit and ate.
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Proverbs 11:29-30
He who troubles his own house will inherit the wind,
And the fool will be servant to the wise of heart.
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life,
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Genesis 3:7-8
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and
they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig
leaves together and made themselves coverings.
And they heard the sound of YHWH God walking in
the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his
wife hid themselves from the presence of YHWH God
among the trees of the garden.
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Proverbs 3:11-12
My son, do not despise the chastening
of YHWH, Nor detest His correction; For
whom YHWH loves He corrects, Just as a
father the son in whom he delights.
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Genesis 3:9-10
Then YHWH God called to Adam and said to him,
Where are you? So he said, I heard Your voice
in the garden, and I was afraid because I
was naked; and I hid myself.
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Proverbs 15:3-5
The eyes of YHWH are in every place,
Keeping watch on the evil and the good.
A wholesome tongue is a tree of life,
But perverseness in it breaks the spirit.
A fool despises his father's instruction,
But he who receives correction is prudent.
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Genesis 3:11-12
And He said, Who told you that you were naked?
Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded
you that you should not eat? Then the man said,
The woman whom You gave to be with me,
she gave me of the tree, and I ate.
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Revelation 2:7
He who has an ear, let him hear what
the Spirit says to the churches. To him
who overcomes I will give to eat from
the tree of life, which is in the
midst of the Paradise of God.
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Then the serpent said to the woman, 'You will not surely die.
For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will
be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.'
The woman said, 'The serpent deceived me, and I ate.'
[the slanderer] does not stand in the truth, because
there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he
speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar
and the father of it. [John 8:44]
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