• FBI confirms there was no insurrection on Jan. 6

    From Wonderland@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 05:04:38 2024
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    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    By that definition, there was no “insurrection” at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.

    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of
    these are one-off cases," said a
    former senior law enforcement
    official with knowledge of the
    investigation. "Then you have five
    percent, maybe, of these militia
    groups that were more closely
    organized. But there was no grand
    scheme with Roger Stone and
    Alex Jones and all of these people
    to storm the Capitol and take
    hostages."

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00- 20210902-SD005.pdf

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  • From 68hx.1805@21:1/5 to Lee on Sat Mar 16 01:41:58 2024
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    On 3/15/24 10:50 AM, Lee wrote:
    Wonderland wrote:

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    insurrection as: an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence

    By that definition, there was no insurrection at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.
    
    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of
    these are one-off cases," said a
    former senior law enforcement
    official with knowledge of the
    investigation. "Then you have five
    percent, maybe, of these militia
    groups that were more closely
    organized. But there was no grand
    scheme with Roger Stone and
    Alex Jones and all of these people
    to storm the Capitol and take
    hostages."

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00-
    20210902-SD005.pdf




    So when Trump said it was an insurrection he was lying.

    Well ... an "error" :-)

    Anybody can be in error.

    According to Dem defs, it was all nothing more than
    a minor "peaceful protest" .....

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Lee on Sat Mar 16 09:22:49 2024
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    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:50:36 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:

    Wonderland wrote:

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    insurrection as: an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence

    By that definition, there was no insurrection at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.
    
    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of
    these are one-off cases," said a
    former senior law enforcement
    official with knowledge of the
    investigation. "Then you have five
    percent, maybe, of these militia
    groups that were more closely
    organized. But there was no grand
    scheme with Roger Stone and
    Alex Jones and all of these people
    to storm the Capitol and take
    hostages."

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00-
    20210902-SD005.pdf




    So when Trump said it was an insurrection he was lying.


    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5105939/user-clip-trump-admits-january-6- >failed-coup-insurrection





    Address what the FBI stated please.








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  • From Max Boot@21:1/5 to Wonderland on Sat Mar 16 12:11:16 2024
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    On 3/14/2024 10:04 PM, Wonderland wrote:
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    And that is exactly what happened on 01/06/2021. They only intended to take temporary control of the government, just long enough to keep Trump in office, but that's exactly what they did, and they *did* employ violence to try to attain their goal.

    There was an insurrection. This is settled.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Wonderland on Sat Mar 16 14:57:24 2024
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    On 2024-03-15 05:04:38 +0000, Wonderland said:

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    By that definition, there was no “insurrection” at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.

    How hard is it to find four "current and former law enforcement
    officials" drinking the orange Kool-Aid.

    Attempting to illegally overturn a presidential election result in
    defiance of the Constitution is in another league from looting a
    neighborhood after you believe one of the members of your race was
    brutally treated or killed by cops.

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  • From 65hz.1805@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 16 13:27:12 2024
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    On 3/15/2024 10:41 PM, 68hx.1805 wrote:
    On 3/15/24 10:50 AM, Lee wrote:
    Wonderland wrote:

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    insurrection as: an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence

    By that definition, there was no insurrection at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.
    
    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of
    these are one-off cases," said a
    former senior law enforcement
    official with knowledge of the
    investigation. "Then you have five
    percent, maybe, of these militia
    groups that were more closely
    organized. But there was no grand
    scheme with Roger Stone and
    Alex Jones and all of these people
    to storm the Capitol and take
    hostages."

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00-
    20210902-SD005.pdf




    So when Trump said it was an insurrection he was lying.

      Well ... an "error"  :-)

      Anybody can be in error.

      According to Dem defs,

    Bullshit.

    it was all nothing more than a minor "peaceful protest"

    We know that's a lie, because no "Dems" [sic] ever *justified* any violent protests. What they said were that they were predictable, given the constant episodes of police misconduct that lead to unarmed people, usually blacks, being
    killed. And they're right.

    01/06/2021 was an insurrection. The George Floyd protests that devolved into riots all started out peacefully. The violence was lamentable, wrong and bad, but the *cause* for which the protests began was just. Trump's insurrection mob had *no* valid cause at all — the election was *not* stolen, and the only reason
    the insurrection mob believed it was is because they believed Trump's lies. Trump knew the election wasn't stolen, but he knew that saying it was would be useful to him, so he told the lies knowingly.

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  • From Lenny@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sat Mar 16 22:16:03 2024
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    NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in news:t77bvi5oud4nokut8mg2a4gur2t8i15pkn@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:50:36 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:

    Wonderland wrote:

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    insurrection as: an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence

    By that definition, there was no insurrection at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.
    
    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of
    these are one-off cases," said a
    former senior law enforcement
    official with knowledge of the
    investigation. "Then you have five
    percent, maybe, of these militia
    groups that were more closely
    organized. But there was no grand
    scheme with Roger Stone and
    Alex Jones and all of these people
    to storm the Capitol and take
    hostages."

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00
    - 20210902-SD005.pdf




    So when Trump said it was an insurrection he was lying.


    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5105939/user-clip-trump-admits-january-6
    - failed-coup-insurrection





    Address what the FBI stated please.

    This part?

    "But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all
    of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

    Nancy Pelosi has been lying all this time too?

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Sun Mar 17 02:55:59 2024
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    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in news:P9mJN.578054$xHn7.497967@fx14.iad:

    On 3/14/2024 10:04 PM, Wonderland wrote:
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    And that is exactly what happened on 01/06/2021. They only intended to
    take temporary control of the government, just long enough to keep
    Trump in office, but that's exactly what they did, and they *did*
    employ violence to try to attain their goal.

    There was an insurrection. This is settled.



    Oh, and tRump was involved in the planning of the insurrection.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun Mar 17 03:01:15 2024
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    Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in news:ut5m3v$3ak11$1@dont- email.me:

    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in news:P9mJN.578054$xHn7.497967@fx14.iad:

    On 3/14/2024 10:04 PM, Wonderland wrote:
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    And that is exactly what happened on 01/06/2021. They only intended to
    take temporary control of the government, just long enough to keep
    Trump in office, but that's exactly what they did, and they *did*
    employ violence to try to attain their goal.

    There was an insurrection. This is settled.



    Oh, and tRump was involved in the planning of the insurrection.


    And now tRump is calling for a "bloodbath" if he doesn't "win" the
    upcomming election.

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  • From Max Boot@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat Mar 16 20:49:18 2024
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    On 3/16/2024 7:55 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in news:P9mJN.578054$xHn7.497967@fx14.iad:

    On 3/14/2024 10:04 PM, Wonderland wrote:
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    And that is exactly what happened on 01/06/2021. They only intended to
    take temporary control of the government, just long enough to keep
    Trump in office, but that's exactly what they did, and they *did*
    employ violence to try to attain their goal.

    There was an insurrection. This is settled.



    Oh, and tRump was involved in the planning of the insurrection.

    Of *course* he was. That's what "Be there — will be wild!" was all about.

    Mark my words: when Trump's Jan 6 case finally comes to trial, Jack Smith is going to present evidence — text messages, e-mails, cell phone records, etc. —
    proving that Trump and/or his White House staff, e.g. Meadows, were communicating with insurrectionists like "proud boys" and "oath keepers" and "three percenters" to plan for the insurrection.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to NoBody on Sun Mar 17 10:08:13 2024
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    On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 09:22:49 -0400, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:50:36 +0000, "Lee" <cleetis@gmail.com> wrote:

    Wonderland wrote:

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    insurrection as: an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence

    By that definition, there was no insurrection at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.
    
    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of
    these are one-off cases," said a
    former senior law enforcement
    official with knowledge of the
    investigation. "Then you have five
    percent, maybe, of these militia
    groups that were more closely
    organized. But there was no grand
    scheme with Roger Stone and
    Alex Jones and all of these people
    to storm the Capitol and take
    hostages."

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00-
    20210902-SD005.pdf




    So when Trump said it was an insurrection he was lying.


    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5105939/user-clip-trump-admits-january-6- >>failed-coup-insurrection





    Address what the FBI stated please.


    And Lying Lee has fled again.







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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Sun Mar 17 15:40:19 2024
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    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in news:2LtJN.419401$vFZa.332846@fx13.iad:

    On 3/16/2024 7:55 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
    news:P9mJN.578054$xHn7.497967@fx14.iad:

    On 3/14/2024 10:04 PM, Wonderland wrote:
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    And that is exactly what happened on 01/06/2021. They only intended
    to take temporary control of the government, just long enough to
    keep Trump in office, but that's exactly what they did, and they
    *did* employ violence to try to attain their goal.

    There was an insurrection. This is settled.



    Oh, and tRump was involved in the planning of the insurrection.

    Of *course* he was. That's what "Be there — will be wild!" was all
    about.

    Mark my words: when Trump's Jan 6 case finally comes to trial, Jack
    Smith is going to present evidence — text messages, e-mails, cell
    phone records, etc. — proving that Trump and/or his White House
    staff, e.g. Meadows, were communicating with insurrectionists like
    "proud boys" and "oath keepers" and "three percenters" to plan for the insurrection.


    See:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_of_the_January_6 _United_States_Capitol_attack

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  • From oldernow@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Sun Mar 17 16:47:24 2024
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    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    Mark my words: when Trump's Jan 6 case finally comes to
    trial, Jack Smith is going to present evidence — text
    messages, e-mails, cell phone records, etc. — proving
    that Trump and/or his White House staff, e.g. Meadows,
    were communicating with insurrectionists like "proud boys"
    and "oath keepers" and "three percenters" to plan for
    the insurrection.

    I so envy those of you who can believe in made-up drama/stories to
    the point of shamelessly waxing hysterical about it/them in public!

    (not....)

    FWIW: 'Tis the belief/faith that makes it seeming so/true/real.

    --
    oldernow
    xyz001 at nym.hush.com

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  • From Max Boot@21:1/5 to oldernow on Sun Mar 17 09:52:25 2024
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    On 3/17/2024 9:47 AM, oldernow wrote:
    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    Mark my words: when Trump's Jan 6 case finally comes to
    trial, Jack Smith is going to present evidence — text
    messages, e-mails, cell phone records, etc. — proving
    that Trump and/or his White House staff, e.g. Meadows,
    were communicating with insurrectionists like "proud boys"
    and "oath keepers" and "three percenters" to plan for
    the insurrection.

    I so envy those of you who can believe in made-up drama/stories to

    Nothing is "made up" about Trump's crimes.

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  • From oldernow@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Sun Mar 17 17:00:00 2024
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    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    I so envy those of you who can believe in made-up
    drama/stories to

    Nothing is "made up" about Trump's crimes.

    There's another sweeping swath word ('Nothing') likely indicating
    being nuance-challenged.

    Also, I'm pretty sure it's "alleged crimes", which raises the
    chances of their having been "made up"....

    --
    oldernow
    xyz001 at nym.hush.com

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  • From Max Boot@21:1/5 to oldernow on Sun Mar 17 10:15:36 2024
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    On 3/17/2024 10:00 AM, oldernow wrote:
    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    I so envy those of you who can believe in made-up
    drama/stories to

    Nothing is "made up" about Trump's crimes.

    There's another sweeping swath word ('Nothing') likely indicating
    being nuance-challenged.

    No need for nuance where Trump is concerned.

    Also, I'm pretty sure it's "alleged crimes",

    No. Trump hasn't been convicted yet, but there is no question about things that Trump did — incitement of insurrection, slopping together slates of fake electors, pressuring GA secretary of state to engage in election fraud, willfully obstruct the recovery of stolen documents — and there is no question
    they are crimes.

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  • From Max Boot@21:1/5 to oldernow on Sun Mar 17 10:36:26 2024
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    On 3/17/2024 10:28 AM, oldernow wrote:
    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    There's another sweeping swath word ('Nothing') likely indicating
    being nuance-challenged.

    No need for nuance where Trump is concerned.

    Declaring "no need for nuance" tends to indicate

    No.


    Also, I'm pretty sure it's "alleged crimes",

    No. Trump hasn't been convicted yet, but there is no
    question about things that Trump did — incitement of
    insurrection, slopping together slates of fake electors,
    pressuring GA secretary of state to engage in election
    fraud, willfully obstruct the recovery of stolen documents
    — and there is no question they are crimes.

    I don't doubt that "there is no question"

    Good, because there isn't any.

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  • From oldernow@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Sun Mar 17 17:28:22 2024
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    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    There's another sweeping swath word ('Nothing') likely indicating
    being nuance-challenged.

    No need for nuance where Trump is concerned.

    Declaring "no need for nuance" tends to indicate inability to nuance
    more than some objective absence of the possibility of nuance to/in
    a topic.

    Said another way, I'm not wont to pretend to not see just because
    a blind person tells me there's nothing to see.

    Also, I'm pretty sure it's "alleged crimes",

    No. Trump hasn't been convicted yet, but there is no
    question about things that Trump did — incitement of
    insurrection, slopping together slates of fake electors,
    pressuring GA secretary of state to engage in election
    fraud, willfully obstruct the recovery of stolen documents
    — and there is no question they are crimes.

    I don't doubt that "there is no question" in a mind incapable of
    entertaining questions.

    But the notion of presumption of innocence until proven guilty
    seems a higher road to me than declaring "there is no question"
    prior to conviction. To me, the latter attitude ultimately leads
    to obviating the need for trials altogether.

    --
    oldernow
    xyz001 at nym.hush.com

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  • From tran@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun Mar 17 20:27:06 2024
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    Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in news:ut5m3v$3ak11$1@dont- email.me:

    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in news:P9mJN.578054$xHn7.497967@fx14.iad:

    On 3/14/2024 10:04 PM, Wonderland wrote:
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    And that is exactly what happened on 01/06/2021. They only intended to
    take temporary control of the government, just long enough to keep
    Trump in office, but that's exactly what they did, and they *did*
    employ violence to try to attain their goal.

    There was no insurrection. This is settled.



    Oh, and tRump was not involved in the planning of the insurrection.

    Glad you two see the light.

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  • From tran@21:1/5 to oldernow on Sun Mar 17 20:32:07 2024
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    oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> wrote in news:slrnuve8ce.rje.oldernow@oldernow.jethrick.com:

    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    I so envy those of you who can believe in made-up
    drama/stories to

    Nothing is "made up" about Trump's crimes.

    There's another sweeping swath word ('Nothing') likely indicating
    being nuance-challenged.

    Also, I'm pretty sure it's "alleged crimes", which raises the
    chances of their having been "made up"....

    Indeed. The game on the left is, "Get Trump!" "Before he can be elected President again."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From tran@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Sun Mar 17 20:37:09 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in news:XyFJN.634506$xHn7.547703@fx14.iad:

    On 3/17/2024 10:00 AM, oldernow wrote:
    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    I so envy those of you who can believe in made-up
    drama/stories to

    Nothing is "made up" about Trump's crimes.

    There's another sweeping swath word ('Nothing') likely indicating
    being nuance-challenged.

    No need for nuance where Trump is concerned.

    Also, I'm pretty sure it's "alleged crimes",

    No. Trump hasn't been convicted yet, but there is no question about
    things that Trump did — incitement of insurrection, slopping
    together slates of fake electors, pressuring GA secretary of state to
    engage in election fraud, willfully obstruct the recovery of stolen
    documents — and there is no question they are crimes.

    Biden was keeping boxes of secret documents in his garage while leaving
    the garage door open.

    Trump had whatever documents he had locked up, and there really were not
    all that many. It's more of an archival clerk issue than national
    security risk.

    It's odd how Hillary Clinton can burn down an illegal mail server that was
    part of a criminal probe, yet no charges were ever filed. Destroying
    evidence.

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  • From tran@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun Mar 17 20:47:13 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in news:ut5mdr$3ak11$2@dont- email.me:

    Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in news:ut5m3v$3ak11$1@dont- email.me:

    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
    news:P9mJN.578054$xHn7.497967@fx14.iad:

    On 3/14/2024 10:04 PM, Wonderland wrote:
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    And that is exactly what happened on 01/06/2021. They only intended to
    take temporary control of the government, just long enough to keep
    Trump in office, but that's exactly what they did, and they *did*
    employ violence to try to attain their goal.

    There was an insurrection. This is settled.



    Oh, and tRump was no involved in the planning of the insurrection.


    And now tRump is calling for a "bloodbath" if he doesn't "win" the
    upcomming election.

    No he didn't. He just used the sam words Democrats do that don't get
    repeated by the media.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From tran@21:1/5 to oldernow on Sun Mar 17 20:47:13 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> wrote in news:slrnuvea1l.rje.oldernow@oldernow.jethrick.com:

    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    There's another sweeping swath word ('Nothing') likely indicating
    being nuance-challenged.

    No need for nuance where Trump is concerned.

    Declaring "no need for nuance" tends to indicate inability to nuance
    more than some objective absence of the possibility of nuance to/in
    a topic.

    Said another way, I'm not wont to pretend to not see just because
    a blind person tells me there's nothing to see.

    Also, I'm pretty sure it's "alleged crimes",

    No. Trump hasn't been convicted yet, but there is no
    question about things that Trump did — incitement of
    insurrection, slopping together slates of fake electors,
    pressuring GA secretary of state to engage in election
    fraud, willfully obstruct the recovery of stolen documents
    — and there is no question they are crimes.

    I don't doubt that "there is no question" in a mind incapable of
    entertaining questions.

    But the notion of presumption of innocence until proven guilty
    seems a higher road to me than declaring "there is no question"
    prior to conviction. To me, the latter attitude ultimately leads
    to obviating the need for trials altogether.

    Touche. That's kicking the chair out from under him.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From tran@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Sun Mar 17 20:52:15 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in news:2LtJN.419401$vFZa.332846@fx13.iad:

    On 3/16/2024 7:55 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
    news:P9mJN.578054$xHn7.497967@fx14.iad:

    On 3/14/2024 10:04 PM, Wonderland wrote:
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    And that is exactly what happened on 01/06/2021. They only intended
    to take temporary control of the government, just long enough to
    keep Trump in office, but that's exactly what they did, and they
    *did* employ violence to try to attain their goal.

    There was an insurrection. This is settled.



    Oh, and tRump was involved in the planning of the insurrection.

    Of *course* he wasn't. That's what "Be there — will be wild!" was all about.

    Mark my words: when Trump's Jan 6 case finally comes to trial, Jack
    Smith is going to

    try to make Trump look like he was a secret-selling politician, which he
    isn't and they know that.

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  • From tran@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun Mar 17 20:52:15 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in news:ut72t3$3jea0$1@dont- email.me:

    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in news:2LtJN.419401$vFZa.332846@fx13.iad:

    On 3/16/2024 7:55 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
    news:P9mJN.578054$xHn7.497967@fx14.iad:

    On 3/14/2024 10:04 PM, Wonderland wrote:
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence”

    And that is exactly what happened on 01/06/2021. They only intended
    to take temporary control of the government, just long enough to
    keep Trump in office, but that's exactly what they did, and they
    *did* employ violence to try to attain their goal.

    There was an insurrection. This is settled.



    Oh, and tRump wasn't involved in the planning of the insurrection.

    Of *course* he wasn't. That's what "Be there — will be wild!" was all
    about.

    Mark my words: "I'm Rudy and I'm full of farts like Baxter.


    See:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/

    Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia
    He says there’s a complex game being played to make an article say what somebody wants it to say

    https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia- founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html

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  • From tran@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Sun Mar 17 21:02:18 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in news:cdFJN.373161$q3F7.30474@fx45.iad:

    On 3/17/2024 9:47 AM, oldernow wrote:
    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    Mark my words: when Trump's Jan 6 case finally comes to
    trial, Jack Smith is going to present evidence — text
    messages, e-mails, cell phone records, etc. — proving
    that Trump and/or his White House staff, e.g. Meadows,
    were communicating with insurrectionists like "proud boys"
    and "oath keepers" and "three percenters" to plan for
    the insurrection.

    I so envy those of you who can believe in made-up drama/stories to

    Nothing is "made up" about Trump's crimes.

    That's because there are none.

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  • From tran@21:1/5 to Max Boot on Sun Mar 17 21:17:28 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote in
    news:tSFJN.83599$hN14.16263@fx17.iad:

    On 3/17/2024 10:28 AM, oldernow wrote:
    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    There's another sweeping swath word ('Nothing') likely indicating
    being nuance-challenged.

    No need for nuance where Trump is concerned.

    Declaring "no need for nuance" tends to indicate

    No.


    Also, I'm pretty sure it's "alleged crimes",

    No. Trump hasn't been convicted yet, but there is no
    question about things that Trump did — incitement of
    insurrection, slopping together slates of fake electors,
    pressuring GA secretary of state to engage in election
    fraud, willfully obstruct the recovery of stolen documents
    — and there is no question they are crimes.

    I don't doubt that "there is no question"

    Good, because there isn't any.

    Vandalism repaired, groups restored.

    Rudy loses another discussion. Points go to the OP, again.

    Do you ever get tired of losing, Rudy?

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  • From tran@21:1/5 to oldernow on Sun Mar 17 21:52:47 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.org.fbi, or.politics
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> wrote in news:slrnuve7kr.rje.oldernow@oldernow.jethrick.com:

    On 2024-03-17, Max Boot <max.boot@lathymes.com> wrote:

    Mark my words: when Trump's Jan 6 case finally comes to
    trial, Jack Smith is going to present evidence — text
    messages, e-mails, cell phone records, etc. — proving
    that Trump and/or his White House staff, e.g. Meadows,
    were communicating with insurrectionists like "proud boys"
    and "oath keepers" and "three percenters" to plan for
    the insurrection.

    I so envy those of you who can believe in made-up drama/stories to
    the point of shamelessly waxing hysterical about it/them in public!

    (not....)

    FWIW: 'Tis the belief/faith that makes it seeming so/true/real.

    Seems odd doesn't it? Nancy Pelosi engages in insider trading that is
    illegal to everyone in the private sector to the tune of millions of
    dollars. Yet they go after Trump for a few old folders with information
    found all over the Internet.

    Obama has thousands of secret documents stashd for his eventual "library",
    yet not a peep about that. Why? Because he's queer and black?

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  • From oldernow@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Mar 18 11:33:57 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 2024-03-18, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    I so envy those of you who can believe in made-up
    drama/stories to the point of shamelessly waxing hysterical
    about it/them in public!

    Like the ones Trump tells?

    Like the made up stories the Biden impeachment committee
    is promulgating?

    Of *course* it doesn't matter who is creating any given
    drama/story. 'Tis the taking any instance of such seriously (i.e. as
    more than drama/story) without understanding/acknowledging one's
    role in endowing such with reality status was the mind-magic/faith
    I was envying.

    --
    oldernow
    xyz001 at nym.hush.com

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From oldernow@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Mar 18 11:43:52 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 2024-03-18, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    Nothing is "made up" about Trump's crimes.

    There's another sweeping swath word ('Nothing') likely indicating
    being nuance-challenged.

    There's another lie you would create by redefining words
    to suit yourself.

    Whether or not there's redefinition is debatable, because that
    would require a free-willed self, and that's a faith-created entity.

    But there's no doubt separate minds necessarily have distinct
    meanings for the same words. Of course, there's no way to know
    exactly how distinct, although people in strife over the same words
    seems a reasonably good indicator.

    But it hardly takes willful redefinition ("lying") for separate
    minds to have distinct meanings for the same words. The conditions
    under which minds settle on meanings of words vary from mind to mind.

    Also, I'm pretty sure it's "alleged crimes", which raises the
    chances of their having been "made up"....

    All crimes are alleged until the jury returns a guilty verdict.

    No kidding?

    The point was that there's greater likelihood a crime was "made up"
    prior to having stood up the greater rigor of a trial by peers.

    --
    oldernow
    xyz001 at nym.hush.com

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Mar 18 14:42:52 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:gajgvi1avaaqjtd5dutkp0jh9jm50phnbg@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 18 Mar 2024 11:33:57 -0000 (UTC), oldernow <oldernow@dev.null>
    wrote:

    On 2024-03-18, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    I so envy those of you who can believe in made-up
    drama/stories to the point of shamelessly waxing hysterical
    about it/them in public!

    Like the ones Trump tells?

    Like the made up stories the Biden impeachment committee
    is promulgating?

    Of *course* it doesn't matter who is creating any given
    drama/story.

    Yeah, actually, it does. That way you know WHY the story was made up/distorted and can more easily project what the real story is.

    https://postimg.cc/XZ6xXfQB

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  • From oldernow@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Mar 18 15:32:21 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 2024-03-18, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    Whether or not there's redefinition is debatable, because
    that would require a free-willed self, and that's a
    faith-created entity.

    It's not debatable.

    Then why are we debating it? ;-)

    That's why there are dictionaries. To maintain standardization.

    Dictionaries are testaments to conceptual circularity, in this case
    words defined by more words. The actual meaning doesn't come into
    play until a mind considering the words comes into play.

    Regardless what a dictionary says, if you believe black is white
    then, by golly, in your mind It Is So.

    The point was that there's greater likelihood a crime was
    "made up" prior to having stood up the greater rigor of
    a trial by peers.

    You mean all the crime in the US is just 'made up'?

    No. I believe that the reporting of it is *likely* less accurate
    pre-verdict than post-verdict.

    Add to that human greed, and what I've seen of groups of individuals
    called "journalists" saying whatever it takes to get more eyes on
    their advertising-accompanied content, and I can easily lean the
    direction of how you put it....

    --
    oldernow
    xyz001 at nym.hush.com

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  • From oldernow@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Mar 18 20:32:42 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 2024-03-18, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    Like the made up stories the Biden impeachment committee
    is promulgating?

    Of *course* it doesn't matter who is creating any given
    drama/story.

    Yeah, actually, it does. That way you know WHY the story
    was made up/distorted and can more easily project what
    the real story is.

    Interesting.

    'Tis the taking any instance of such seriously (i.e. as
    more than drama/story) without understanding/acknowledging one's
    role in endowing such with reality status was the mind-magic/faith
    I was envying.

    Word salad. Your edumacation isn't working for you.

    Given you're the only one to say "word salad" to me here, I've
    reason to believe the issue might be on your end.

    Can anyone else out there weigh in so I've more data on this
    "word salad" charge?

    --
    oldernow
    xyz001 at nym.hush.com

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Wonderland on Mon Mar 18 16:21:22 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    "Wonderland" <wonderland@dumbocrats.com> wrote in message news:ut0kt5$abc$1@toxic.dizum.net...
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    "insurrection" as: "an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence"

    By that definition, there was no "insurrection" at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.

    Must be why not a single person was charged with insurrection much less convicted.. but Liberals still assert it took place.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to 65hz.1804@g5t7x.net on Mon Mar 18 16:22:35 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc

    "65hz.1805" <65hz.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in message news:ygnJN.709693$p%Mb.265478@fx15.iad...
    On 3/15/2024 10:41 PM, 68hx.1805 wrote:
    On 3/15/24 10:50 AM, Lee wrote:
    Wonderland wrote:

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    insurrection as: an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence

    By that definition, there was no insurrection at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.
    
    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of
    these are one-off cases," said a
    former senior law enforcement
    official with knowledge of the
    investigation. "Then you have five
    percent, maybe, of these militia
    groups that were more closely
    organized. But there was no grand
    scheme with Roger Stone and
    Alex Jones and all of these people
    to storm the Capitol and take
    hostages."

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00- >>>> 20210902-SD005.pdf




    So when Trump said it was an insurrection he was lying.

    Well ... an "error" :-)

    Anybody can be in error.

    According to Dem defs,

    Bullshit.

    it was all nothing more than a minor "peaceful protest"

    We know that's a lie, because no "Dems" [sic] ever *justified* any violent protests.

    BLM and Antifa..... all claim to be justified by Democrats

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  • From 65hz.1805@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon Mar 18 14:39:12 2024
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    On 3/18/2024 1:22 PM, Scout wrote:


    "65hz.1805" <65hz.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in message news:ygnJN.709693$p%Mb.265478@fx15.iad...
    On 3/15/2024 10:41 PM, 68hx.1805 wrote:
    On 3/15/24 10:50 AM, Lee wrote:
    Wonderland wrote:

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    insurrection as: an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence

    By that definition, there was no insurrection at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.
    
    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of
    these are one-off cases," said a
    former senior law enforcement
    official with knowledge of the
    investigation. "Then you have five
    percent, maybe, of these militia
    groups that were more closely
    organized. But there was no grand
    scheme with Roger Stone and
    Alex Jones and all of these people
    to storm the Capitol and take
    hostages."

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00- >>>>> 20210902-SD005.pdf




    So when Trump said it was an insurrection he was lying.

       Well ... an "error"  :-)

       Anybody can be in error.

       According to Dem defs,

    Bullshit.

    it was all nothing more than a minor "peaceful protest"

    We know that's a lie, because no "Dems" [sic] ever *justified* any violent >> protests.

    BLM and Antifa..... all claim to be justified by Democrats

    "Dems" [sic] never justified any violent protests, scooter.

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  • From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon Mar 18 16:44:09 2024
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    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 3/18/2024 2:21 PM, Scout wrote:


    "Wonderland" <wonderland@dumbocrats.com> wrote in message news:ut0kt5$abc$1@toxic.dizum.net...
    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    "insurrection" as: "an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence"

    By that definition, there was no "insurrection" at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.

    Must be why not a single person was charged with insurrection much less convicted.. but Liberals still assert it took place.

    That's because those liberals are in possession of secret
    evidence of insurrection that the DOJ doesn't know about.
    They should do their civic duty and disclose that evidence.
    Either that or they should shut up.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to 65hz.1804@g5t7x.net on Mon Mar 18 18:37:23 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc

    wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

    "65hz.1805" <65hz.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in message news:4w2KN.450540$Ama9.76739@fx12.iad...
    On 3/18/2024 1:22 PM, Scout wrote:


    "65hz.1805" <65hz.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in message
    news:ygnJN.709693$p%Mb.265478@fx15.iad...
    On 3/15/2024 10:41 PM, 68hx.1805 wrote:
    On 3/15/24 10:50 AM, Lee wrote:
    Wonderland wrote:

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    insurrection as: an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence

    By that definition, there was no insurrection at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.
    
    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of
    these are one-off cases," said a
    former senior law enforcement
    official with knowledge of the
    investigation. "Then you have five
    percent, maybe, of these militia
    groups that were more closely
    organized. But there was no grand
    scheme with Roger Stone and
    Alex Jones and all of these people
    to storm the Capitol and take
    hostages."

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00- >>>>>> 20210902-SD005.pdf




    So when Trump said it was an insurrection he was lying.

    Well ... an "error" :-)

    Anybody can be in error.

    According to Dem defs,

    Bullshit.

    it was all nothing more than a minor "peaceful protest"

    We know that's a lie, because no "Dems" [sic] ever *justified* any
    violent protests.

    BLM and Antifa..... all claim to be justified by Democrats

    "Dems" [sic] never justified any violent protests, scooter.

    This is the sort of 'mostly peaceful protests that Democrats asserted they fully supported

    https://blogger.tpusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Fiv7G0VXoAIXo_I-2048x1536.jpeg

    https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/09/65caeb61-f62b-47ac-8cab-6f8dd4e2859b.jpg

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ba94d72060f6c000f20f996facb95fdbb200cbbc/0_0_5760_3840/master/5760.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=2603365d83435229b7a8d121229f06f5

    "However, arson, vandalism, and looting that occurred between May 26 and
    June 8 caused approximately $1–2 billion in insured damages nationally, the highest recorded damage from civil disorder in U.S. history, and surpassing
    the record set during the 1992 Los Angeles riots."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests#:~:text=However%2C%20arson%2C%20vandalism%2C%20and,the%201992%20Los%20Angeles%20riots.

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  • From 65hz.1805@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 18 17:15:23 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc

    On 3/18/2024 3:37 PM, scooter lied:>
    "65hz.1805" <65hz.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in message news:4w2KN.450540$Ama9.76739@fx12.iad...
    On 3/18/2024 1:22 PM, Scout wrote:


    "65hz.1805" <65hz.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in message
    news:ygnJN.709693$p%Mb.265478@fx15.iad...
    On 3/15/2024 10:41 PM, 68hx.1805 wrote:
    On 3/15/24 10:50 AM, Lee wrote:
    Wonderland wrote:

    The Cambridge Dictionary defines
    insurrection as: an organized attempt by a
    group of people to defeat their government and
    take control of their country, usually by
    violence

    By that definition, there was no insurrection at
    the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to
    the FBI. Reuters reports :
    The FBI has found scant evidence
    that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S.
    Capitol was the result of an
    organized plot to overturn the
    presidential election result,
    according to four current and
    former law enforcement officials.
    
    "Ninety to ninety-five percent of
    these are one-off cases," said a
    former senior law enforcement
    official with knowledge of the
    investigation. "Then you have five
    percent, maybe, of these militia
    groups that were more closely
    organized. But there was no grand
    scheme with Roger Stone and
    Alex Jones and all of these people
    to storm the Capitol and take
    hostages."

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00- >>>>>>> 20210902-SD005.pdf




    So when Trump said it was an insurrection he was lying.

       Well ... an "error"  :-)

       Anybody can be in error.

       According to Dem defs,

    Bullshit.

    it was all nothing more than a minor "peaceful protest"

    We know that's a lie, because no "Dems" [sic] ever *justified* any violent >>>> protests.

    BLM and Antifa..... all claim to be justified by Democrats

    "Dems" [sic] never justified any violent protests, scooter.

    This is the sort of 'mostly peaceful protests that Democrats asserted they fully
    supported

    [erase bullshit]

    No, scooter, they didn't. No Democrats said they supported riots, scooter.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to oldernow on Tue Mar 19 02:55:49 2024
    XPost: alt.politics.org.fbi, or.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> wrote in news:slrnuvh979.61k.oldernow@oldernow.jethrick.com:

    On 2024-03-18, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:



    'Tis the taking any instance of such seriously (i.e. as
    more than drama/story) without understanding/acknowledging one's
    role in endowing such with reality status was the mind-magic/faith
    I was envying.

    Word salad. Your edumacation isn't working for you.

    Given you're the only one to say "word salad" to me here, I've
    reason to believe the issue might be on your end.

    Can anyone else out there weigh in so I've more data on this
    "word salad" charge?


    Yeah, it's word salad, gobbldygook, probably a few other descripters. You
    just threw out a bunch of words you hoped sounded erudite.

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  • From Dim Widdy@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue Mar 19 10:02:47 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.org.fbi, or.politics
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in
    news:utaurl$k7uh$1@dont-email.me:

    oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> wrote in news:slrnuvh979.61k.oldernow@oldernow.jethrick.com:

    On 2024-03-18, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:



    'Tis the taking any instance of such seriously (i.e. as
    more than drama/story) without understanding/acknowledging one's
    role in endowing such with reality status was the mind-magic/faith
    I was envying.

    Word salad. Your edumacation isn't working for you.

    Given you're the only one to say "word salad" to me here, I've
    reason to believe the issue might be on your end.

    Can anyone else out there weigh in so I've more data on this
    "word salad" charge?


    Yeah, it's word salad, gobbldygook, probably a few other descripters.
    You just threw out a bunch of words you hoped sounded erudite.

    You want some mayonnaise with your "gobbledygook", "unlearned" one?

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  • From oldernow@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue Mar 19 11:09:45 2024
    XPost: alt.politics.org.fbi, or.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 2024-03-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Can anyone else out there weigh in so I've more data on this
    "word salad" charge?

    Yeah, it's word salad, gobbldygook, probably a few other
    descripters. You just threw out a bunch of words you hoped
    sounded erudite.

    Thank you!

    So... just to dig slightly more deeply... is it closer to:

    1) utterly nonsensical gobbledeegook
    -or-
    2) discernable information that could have
    been constructed far less verbosely
    -or-
    3) discernable information that seems like
    gobbledeegook to readers insufficiently
    trained in the direction of the material

    ?

    I mean, no disrespect intended by (3)... but I do remember topics
    along the way in my life that seemed like word salad and/or
    gobbledeegook until after I worked at elevating my understanding
    of prerequisite material: mostly "maths", but also varieties of
    stuff down philosophic/spiritual paths.

    --
    oldernow
    xyz001 at nym.hush.com

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  • From oldernow@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Mar 19 11:19:49 2024
    XPost: alt.politics.org.fbi, or.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 2024-03-19, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    You mean all the crime in the US is just 'made up'?

    No. I believe that the reporting of it is *likely* less accurate >>pre-verdict than post-verdict.

    But that's not what you wrote.

    Wait a second... I thought you - to paraphrase - saw no reason to
    continue to discuss the validity of your posts with a right wing
    loon bent on lying to me about word definitions and tossing word
    salad with a wheelbarrow.

    Did you have a change of heart/mind about that *already*?

    --
    oldernow
    xyz001 at nym.hush.com

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