• Re: Democrats Aren't 'Divisive,' They're Desperate

    From Bill Steele@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Sat Jan 13 09:12:45 2024
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    In article <u4inoh$2jvko$1@dont-email.me>
    David Hartung <kicking.rudys.ass@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    The FBI is a corrupt organization of political sycophants.


    Democrats grow increasingly desperate as they continue to fail,
    so they’re hysterically attempting to brand Republican leaders
    as “authoritarian.”

    People on the right are calling Joe Biden’s vicious “MAGA
    Republicans” speech “unpresidential” and “divisive” when in
    reality, it was simply desperate. That’s a new theme on the left
    that has become obvious on a comical level.

    The national media have spent the last several weeks insisting
    that after enduring months of record inflation, unaffordable gas
    and electric bills, plus a completely avoidable war costing
    taxpayers billions (and counting), the country is now feeling a
    new sense of affection for Biden. I’m sure. Now they’re hyping
    up the Democrat line about some “extreme MAGA ideology” (what?)
    and “authoritarian leaders” who “represent an extremism that
    threatens the very foundations of our republic.”

    Those are all quotes that Biden slurred his way through last
    week in Philadelphia, but the sentiment was just as sweetly
    captured the previous day in a New York Times column by Thomas
    Edsall. But instead of targeting the unnamed yet ever-so-
    fearsome “MAGA Republicans,” Edsall and a round of scholars went
    after Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, aka God’s Chosen One.

    “The fact that Ron DeSantis … is favored to win re-election is a
    clear warning to those worried about declining support for
    democratic institutions and values in the United States,” wrote
    Edsall.

    A popular governor might be chosen by voters in his state for a
    second term. That certainly doesn’t sound like cause for worry.
    But maybe Edsall has a bigger point.

    Should DeSantis win reelection, he wrote, it would indicate that
    voters in a major swing state “will tolerate, if not actively
    embrace, the abuse of traditional political norms by domineering
    leaders.” It’s unclear what Edsall meant by “abuse of
    traditional political norms,” but he noted that the governor
    “has made no secret of his intent to use executive authority to
    the fullest extent.”

    If an elected official’s use of authority “to the fullest
    extent” is “the abuse of traditional political norms,” it would
    be interesting to know what Edsall makes of Biden unilaterally
    spreading hundreds of billions of dollars of student loan debt
    among taxpayers, including many who never went to college and
    many who had already paid off their own. It would be interesting
    to know what he makes of Biden’s failed attempt at coercing
    millions of workers to inject themselves with an experimental
    drug.

    Those weren’t an abuse of traditional political norms. Those
    were bold progressive actions!

    Edsall went on to cite some of DeSantis’s more widely known
    achievements in office, including his crackdown on public
    schools that were teaching children that to be white is a
    problem; punitive measures he took against corporations that get
    tax breaks and then get mouthy about politics; and his removal
    of a state attorney general who openly said he would not adhere
    to a Supreme Court ruling.

    It was “surprising” to Edsall that the productive governor
    hadn’t been the subject of a more focused political pushback
    from Florida Democrats. But he also admitted he knew why that
    was: “One answer is that his policies have substantial support.”

    Ah, so it’s difficult to successfully take down an elected
    official who is actually supported by the people he represents,
    even if some of that support is begrudging. Who knew?!

    This is where Edsall introduced his trusty gang of “experts” to
    make the case that despite DeSantis having broad appeal among
    the people who would have to hand him any higher office he has
    designs for — we call this an “election” — such a victory would
    mean certain doom for democracy.

    Larry Diamond, a senior fellow at Stanford’s Freeman Spogli
    Institute for International Studies, told Edsall that what would
    worry him about a “Trump Republican” like DeSantis in office is
    “the extreme politicization and abuse of federal government
    power, the targeting of political enemies and the mobilization
    and emboldening of the violent, well-armed, extremist fringe of
    Trump followers.”

    UCLA law professor Richard Hansen was then allowed by Edsall to
    dream up a scenario where former president Trump runs for a
    second term and “fails to win legitimately but finds a route to
    being installed as president,” which, according to Handsen,
    would mean the United States “ceases to be a democracy.”

    As to what sneaky, illegitimate “route” Trump, or anyone else,
    might take to being allowed into the White House while everyone
    sits on their thumbs is unclear. Hansen either didn’t say, or
    Edsall failed to include that part of his quote.

    The piece went on like this at length, with various scholars and
    professors consulting their dream diaries about what a future
    second term for Trump or first term for DeSantis would mean.

    —“Certain groups would be more vulnerable. These include
    historically marginalized groups, who might find new
    restrictions on voting. Or members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community
    who are treated as second-class citizens.”

    —“One might imagine the [Republican Party] in power during
    unified government would seek to dramatically expand the number
    and size of the federal courts, then fill these new positions.”

    —“There could also be soft or harder controls over the media.
    There would be tremendous uncertainty over what a postdemocracy
    period would look like in the United States.”

    Edsall concluded his piece by asserting that whether DeSantis
    wins a second term as governor, it will be “a referendum on
    democracy, and the odds do not look good.”

    That we got from Point A — DeSantis is an exceptionally skilled
    and popular policy executive — to Point B — DeSantis as
    president would turn America into an authoritarian hellscape —
    should leave everyone reading this with severe neck pain from
    straining to find the logic.

    To call this talk “divisive” is to give it way too much credit.
    This is panicked. Democrats have surely spotted a threat, but
    not to our system of government. The threat is to them.

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/09/democrats-arent-divisive- theyre-desperate/

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to Bill Steele on Tue Jan 16 12:31:16 2024
    XPost: alt.politics.usa, stl.general, alt.politics.nationalism.black
    XPost: dc.politics

    On 1/13/2024 1:12 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
    In article <u4inoh$2jvko$1@dont-email.me>
    David Hartung <kicking.rudys.ass@Hotmail.com> wrote:

    The FBI is a corrupt organization of political sycophants.


    Democrats grow increasingly desperate as they continue to fail,
    so they’re hysterically attempting to brand Republican leaders
    as “authoritarian.”

    People on the right are calling Joe Biden’s vicious “MAGA
    Republicans” speech “unpresidential” and “divisive” when in reality, it was simply desperate. That’s a new theme on the left
    that has become obvious on a comical level.

    The national media have spent the last several weeks insisting
    that after enduring months of record inflation, unaffordable gas
    and electric bills, plus a completely avoidable war costing
    taxpayers billions (and counting), the country is now feeling a
    new sense of affection for Biden. I’m sure. Now they’re hyping
    up the Democrat line about some “extreme MAGA ideology” (what?)
    and “authoritarian leaders” who “represent an extremism that
    threatens the very foundations of our republic.”

    Those are all quotes that Biden slurred his way through last
    week in Philadelphia, but the sentiment was just as sweetly
    captured the previous day in a New York Times column by Thomas
    Edsall. But instead of targeting the unnamed yet ever-so-
    fearsome “MAGA Republicans,” Edsall and a round of scholars went
    after Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, aka God’s Chosen One.

    “The fact that Ron DeSantis … is favored to win re-election is a
    clear warning to those worried about declining support for
    democratic institutions and values in the United States,” wrote
    Edsall.

    A popular governor might be chosen by voters in his state for a
    second term. That certainly doesn’t sound like cause for worry.
    But maybe Edsall has a bigger point.

    Should DeSantis win reelection, he wrote, it would indicate that
    voters in a major swing state “will tolerate, if not actively
    embrace, the abuse of traditional political norms by domineering
    leaders.” It’s unclear what Edsall meant by “abuse of
    traditional political norms,” but he noted that the governor
    “has made no secret of his intent to use executive authority to
    the fullest extent.”

    If an elected official’s use of authority “to the fullest
    extent” is “the abuse of traditional political norms,” it would
    be interesting to know what Edsall makes of Biden unilaterally
    spreading hundreds of billions of dollars of student loan debt
    among taxpayers, including many who never went to college and
    many who had already paid off their own. It would be interesting
    to know what he makes of Biden’s failed attempt at coercing
    millions of workers to inject themselves with an experimental
    drug.

    Those weren’t an abuse of traditional political norms. Those
    were bold progressive actions!

    Edsall went on to cite some of DeSantis’s more widely known
    achievements in office, including his crackdown on public
    schools that were teaching children that to be white is a
    problem; punitive measures he took against corporations that get
    tax breaks and then get mouthy about politics; and his removal
    of a state attorney general who openly said he would not adhere
    to a Supreme Court ruling.

    It was “surprising” to Edsall that the productive governor
    hadn’t been the subject of a more focused political pushback
    from Florida Democrats. But he also admitted he knew why that
    was: “One answer is that his policies have substantial support.”

    Ah, so it’s difficult to successfully take down an elected
    official who is actually supported by the people he represents,
    even if some of that support is begrudging. Who knew?!

    This is where Edsall introduced his trusty gang of “experts” to
    make the case that despite DeSantis having broad appeal among
    the people who would have to hand him any higher office he has
    designs for — we call this an “election” — such a victory would
    mean certain doom for democracy.

    Larry Diamond, a senior fellow at Stanford’s Freeman Spogli
    Institute for International Studies, told Edsall that what would
    worry him about a “Trump Republican” like DeSantis in office is
    “the extreme politicization and abuse of federal government
    power, the targeting of political enemies and the mobilization
    and emboldening of the violent, well-armed, extremist fringe of
    Trump followers.”

    UCLA law professor Richard Hansen was then allowed by Edsall to
    dream up a scenario where former president Trump runs for a
    second term and “fails to win legitimately but finds a route to
    being installed as president,” which, according to Handsen,
    would mean the United States “ceases to be a democracy.”

    As to what sneaky, illegitimate “route” Trump, or anyone else,
    might take to being allowed into the White House while everyone
    sits on their thumbs is unclear. Hansen either didn’t say, or
    Edsall failed to include that part of his quote.

    The piece went on like this at length, with various scholars and
    professors consulting their dream diaries about what a future
    second term for Trump or first term for DeSantis would mean.

    —“Certain groups would be more vulnerable. These include
    historically marginalized groups, who might find new
    restrictions on voting. Or members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community
    who are treated as second-class citizens.”

    —“One might imagine the [Republican Party] in power during
    unified government would seek to dramatically expand the number
    and size of the federal courts, then fill these new positions.”

    —“There could also be soft or harder controls over the media.
    There would be tremendous uncertainty over what a postdemocracy
    period would look like in the United States.”

    Edsall concluded his piece by asserting that whether DeSantis
    wins a second term as governor, it will be “a referendum on
    democracy, and the odds do not look good.”

    That we got from Point A — DeSantis is an exceptionally skilled
    and popular policy executive — to Point B — DeSantis as
    president would turn America into an authoritarian hellscape —
    should leave everyone reading this with severe neck pain from
    straining to find the logic.

    To call this talk “divisive” is to give it way too much credit.
    This is panicked. Democrats have surely spotted a threat, but
    not to our system of government. The threat is to them.

    https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/09/democrats-arent-divisive- theyre-desperate/


    And yet the planks in the Democratic party platform are majority views
    in this country. The majority think women should have autonomy over
    their own bodies. The majority think book banning is wrong. The majority
    think all people should have the opportunity to pursue happiness.

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