• Re: Who?s Afraid of Calling Donald Trump an Insurrectionist?

    From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 12:11:57 2024
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    In article <fxAnN.112611$taff.69392@fx41.iad>, lb@cap.con says...

    An anti-coup provision is not much use with a loophole for self-coups.

    By Adam Serwer

    JANUARY 5, 2024

    In the history of self-defeating euphemisms, Jonathan Chait?s characterization
    of Donald Trump?s failed coup as an attempt to ?secure an unelected second term
    in office? belongs in the hall of fame, alongside George W. Bush?s ?weapons of
    mass destruction?related program activities? or Kellyanne Conway?s ?alternative
    facts.?

    ?Alternative facts? clearly meant lies. ?Weapons of mass destruction?related program activities? merely reinforced the absence of the very weapons of mass destruction that the U.S. had invoked to justify invading Iraq. And another way
    of saying ?secure an unelected second term in office? is ?coup.?

    When writing that line, Chait, like many other liberal writers, was alarmed by
    the Colorado Supreme Court?s decision disqualifying Trump from the ballot based
    on Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which bars from political office those
    who have sworn an oath to the Constitution and subsequently engaged in ?insurrection or rebellion.? Although Chait curiously insisted that he wouldn?t
    ?comment on the legal merits of the case,? he managed to somehow zero in on one
    of the main legal points at issue, which is whether Trump?s behavior ?constitutes ?insurrection.??

    Among the definitions explored by the Colorado Supreme Court is one from an 1860
    dictionary that describes insurrection as ?a rising against civil or political
    authority; the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law in a city or state.? A law-review article by the conservative
    law professors William Baude and Michael Paulsen, which the Colorado Supreme Court cited heavily, noted that insurrection involves ?an affirmative contest with, and active resistance to, the authority of the government. It is in that
    sense more than just organized resistance to the laws?more than just a protest,
    even one involving civil disobedience.?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/01/donald-trump-insurrection/677028/

    The attack on the Capitol on 01/06/2021 was an insurrection under any reasonable
    understanding of the term, and Hartung knows it. There's no other word that fully captures both the event and its undeniable political goal. This is settled.

    No charges.

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  • From Mike Colangelo@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 11:14:30 2024
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    On 1/10/2024 11:11 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

    In article <fxAnN.112611$taff.69392@fx41.iad>, lb@cap.con says...

    An anti-coup provision is not much use with a loophole for self-coups.

    By Adam Serwer

    JANUARY 5, 2024

    In the history of self-defeating euphemisms, Jonathan Chait?s characterization
    of Donald Trump?s failed coup as an attempt to ?secure an unelected second term
    in office? belongs in the hall of fame, alongside George W. Bush?s ?weapons of
    mass destruction?related program activities? or Kellyanne Conway?s ?alternative
    facts.?

    ?Alternative facts? clearly meant lies. ?Weapons of mass destruction?related >> program activities? merely reinforced the absence of the very weapons of mass
    destruction that the U.S. had invoked to justify invading Iraq. And another way
    of saying ?secure an unelected second term in office? is ?coup.?

    When writing that line, Chait, like many other liberal writers, was alarmed by
    the Colorado Supreme Court?s decision disqualifying Trump from the ballot based
    on Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which bars from political office those
    who have sworn an oath to the Constitution and subsequently engaged in
    ?insurrection or rebellion.? Although Chait curiously insisted that he wouldn?t
    ?comment on the legal merits of the case,? he managed to somehow zero in on one
    of the main legal points at issue, which is whether Trump?s behavior
    ?constitutes ?insurrection.??

    Among the definitions explored by the Colorado Supreme Court is one from an 1860
    dictionary that describes insurrection as ?a rising against civil or political
    authority; the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the
    execution of law in a city or state.? A law-review article by the conservative
    law professors William Baude and Michael Paulsen, which the Colorado Supreme >> Court cited heavily, noted that insurrection involves ?an affirmative contest
    with, and active resistance to, the authority of the government. It is in that
    sense more than just organized resistance to the laws?more than just a protest,
    even one involving civil disobedience.?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/01/donald-trump-insurrection/677028/

    The attack on the Capitol on 01/06/2021 was an insurrection under any reasonable
    understanding of the term, and Hartung knows it. There's no other word that >> fully captures both the event and its undeniable political goal. This is settled.

    No charges.

    No charges for the unsolved burglary of your house, either.

    Plenty of charges and convictions for seditious conspiracy.

    It was an insurrection. This is settled.

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  • From Max Boot@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 13:16:07 2024
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    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 1/10/2024 12:57 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

    In article <q0CnN.183765$xHn7.153848@fx14.iad>, air@vatican_.con says...

    On 1/10/2024 11:11 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

    In article <fxAnN.112611$taff.69392@fx41.iad>, lb@cap.con says...

    An anti-coup provision is not much use with a loophole for self-coups. >>>>
    By Adam Serwer

    JANUARY 5, 2024

    In the history of self-defeating euphemisms, Jonathan Chait?s characterization
    of Donald Trump?s failed coup as an attempt to ?secure an unelected second term
    in office? belongs in the hall of fame, alongside George W. Bush?s ?weapons of
    mass destruction?related program activities? or Kellyanne Conway?s ?alternative
    facts.?

    ?Alternative facts? clearly meant lies. ?Weapons of mass destruction?related
    program activities? merely reinforced the absence of the very weapons of mass
    destruction that the U.S. had invoked to justify invading Iraq. And another way
    of saying ?secure an unelected second term in office? is ?coup.?

    When writing that line, Chait, like many other liberal writers, was alarmed by
    the Colorado Supreme Court?s decision disqualifying Trump from the ballot based
    on Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which bars from political office those
    who have sworn an oath to the Constitution and subsequently engaged in >>>> ?insurrection or rebellion.? Although Chait curiously insisted that he wouldn?t
    ?comment on the legal merits of the case,? he managed to somehow zero in on one
    of the main legal points at issue, which is whether Trump?s behavior
    ?constitutes ?insurrection.??

    Among the definitions explored by the Colorado Supreme Court is one from an 1860
    dictionary that describes insurrection as ?a rising against civil or political
    authority; the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the >>>> execution of law in a city or state.? A law-review article by the conservative
    law professors William Baude and Michael Paulsen, which the Colorado Supreme
    Court cited heavily, noted that insurrection involves ?an affirmative contest
    with, and active resistance to, the authority of the government. It is in that
    sense more than just organized resistance to the laws?more than just a protest,
    even one involving civil disobedience.?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/01/donald-trump-insurrection/677028/

    The attack on the Capitol on 01/06/2021 was an insurrection under any reasonable
    understanding of the term, and Hartung knows it. There's no other word that
    fully captures both the event and its undeniable political goal. This is settled.

    No charges.

    No charges for the unsolved burglary of your house, either.

    Plenty of charges and convictions for seditious conspiracy.

    It was an insurrection. This is settled.


    But none of Trump.

    Trump engaged in insurrection, so he is disqualified from office. This is settled.

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  • From Kamala Stupid - 400 years of slaver@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 11 01:47:18 2024
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    XPost: spokane.general

    In article <fxAnN.112611$taff.69392@fx41.iad>
    "Queer - Inmate Number P01135809" <patriot1@protonmail.com>
    wrote:

    Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in
    U.S. Since 9/11

    Portland, Seattle and Minneapolis can attest to that.

    Portland deserved it.

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  • From Max Boot@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 19:14:58 2024
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    On 1/10/2024 1:22 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

    In article <rODnN.219709$83n7.137685@fx18.iad>, max.boot@lathymes.com
    says...

    On 1/10/2024 12:57 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

    In article <q0CnN.183765$xHn7.153848@fx14.iad>, air@vatican_.con says... >>>>
    On 1/10/2024 11:11 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

    In article <fxAnN.112611$taff.69392@fx41.iad>, lb@cap.con says...

    An anti-coup provision is not much use with a loophole for self-coups. >>>>>>
    By Adam Serwer

    JANUARY 5, 2024

    In the history of self-defeating euphemisms, Jonathan Chait?s characterization
    of Donald Trump?s failed coup as an attempt to ?secure an unelected second term
    in office? belongs in the hall of fame, alongside George W. Bush?s ?weapons of
    mass destruction?related program activities? or Kellyanne Conway?s ?alternative
    facts.?

    ?Alternative facts? clearly meant lies. ?Weapons of mass destruction?related
    program activities? merely reinforced the absence of the very weapons of mass
    destruction that the U.S. had invoked to justify invading Iraq. And another way
    of saying ?secure an unelected second term in office? is ?coup.?

    When writing that line, Chait, like many other liberal writers, was alarmed by
    the Colorado Supreme Court?s decision disqualifying Trump from the ballot based
    on Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which bars from political office those
    who have sworn an oath to the Constitution and subsequently engaged in >>>>>> ?insurrection or rebellion.? Although Chait curiously insisted that he wouldn?t
    ?comment on the legal merits of the case,? he managed to somehow zero in on one
    of the main legal points at issue, which is whether Trump?s behavior >>>>>> ?constitutes ?insurrection.??

    Among the definitions explored by the Colorado Supreme Court is one from an 1860
    dictionary that describes insurrection as ?a rising against civil or political
    authority; the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the >>>>>> execution of law in a city or state.? A law-review article by the conservative
    law professors William Baude and Michael Paulsen, which the Colorado Supreme
    Court cited heavily, noted that insurrection involves ?an affirmative contest
    with, and active resistance to, the authority of the government. It is in that
    sense more than just organized resistance to the laws?more than just a protest,
    even one involving civil disobedience.?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/01/donald-trump-insurrection/677028/

    The attack on the Capitol on 01/06/2021 was an insurrection under any reasonable
    understanding of the term, and Hartung knows it. There's no other word that
    fully captures both the event and its undeniable political goal. This is settled.

    No charges.

    No charges for the unsolved burglary of your house, either.

    Plenty of charges and convictions for seditious conspiracy.

    It was an insurrection. This is settled.


    But none of Trump.

    Trump engaged in insurrection, so he is disqualified from office. This is settled.

    Nope and

    Yes, and you know it. It's settled.

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