• Constituionally Protected Right To Shoot Thru Doors When Someone Comes

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    White woman who fatally shot Black neighbor through front door arrested on manslaughter and other charges

    June 7, 2023 / 3:11 AM / CBS/AP

    Ocala, Fla. A White woman who fired through her front and killed a Black neighbor was arrested Tuesday, authorities said, in a case that's put
    Florida's divisive "stand your ground law" back in the spotlight. The
    shooting sparked widespread anger and protests.

    The Marion County Sheriff's Office said Susan Lorincz, 58, was charged
    with manslaughter with a firearm and other offenses.

    Ajike Owens, a 35-year-old mother of four, was killed Friday night in a shooting Sheriff Billy Woods said was the culmination of a 2-and-a-half-
    year feud between the neighbors.

    They lived in the rolling hills south of Ocala, a north Florida city
    that's the heart of the state's horse country.

    According to the sheriff's office, evidence showed that, over time,
    Lorincz had become angry over Owens' children playing in a field close to
    her apartment.


    On Friday night, the office said, Lorincz got into an argument with the children and "was overhead yelling at them by a neighbor."

    During the argument, the office continued, Lorincz threw a roller skate at Owens' 10-year-old son and hit him in a toe. The boy and his 12-year-old brother then went to speak to Lorincz, and she opened her door and swung
    at them with an umbrella. They told their mother what happened and "Owens approached Lorincz's home, knocked on the door multiple times, and
    demanded that Lorincz come outside. Lorincz then fired one shot through
    the door, striking Owens in her upper chest.

    "At the time she was shot, Owens' 10-year-old son was standing beside
    her," the sheriff's office noted.

    Deputies responding to a trespassing call at the apartment Friday night
    found Owens suffering from gunshot wounds. She later died at a hospital.

    When questioned by the sheriff's office, Lorincz claimed she acted in self-defense and that Owens was trying to break down her door. "Lorincz
    also claimed that Owens had come after her in the past and had previously attacked her," the office continued.

    But "detectives were able to establish that Lorincz's actions were not justifiable under Florida law" and she was arrested, the office said. susan-lorincz.jpg
    Susan Lorincz in mugshot after her arrest on June 6, 2023 Marion County (Florida) Sheriff's Office

    The manslaughter charge Lorincz is facing is punishable by up to 30 years
    in prison, the office noted. She's also charged with culpable negligence, battery, and two counts of assault.

    Billy Woods said in a statement that he wants "to thank Ms. Owens' family
    for their patience as we conducted the diligent investigation that we were bound by law to conduct. Ms. Lorincz's fate is now in the hands of the
    judicial system which I trust will deliver justice in due course. As I go
    to bed tonight, I will be saying a prayer for Ms. Owens' children and the
    rest of her family. I'd ask all of you to do the same."
    Pressure was mounting

    Owens' family members called for the arrest at a news conference Monday.

    And at a vigil Monday, Owens' mother, Pamela Dias, said she was seeking
    justice for her daughter and her grandchildren.

    "My daughter, my grandchildren's mother, was shot and killed with her ...
    son standing next to her," Dias said. "She had no weapon. She posed no
    imminent threat to anyone."

    Civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who's representing Owens' family, said in
    a statement that the shooter had been yelling racial slurs at the children before the confrontation.

    He also represented Trayvon Martin's family in 2012, when the Black
    teenager was killed in a case that drew worldwide attention to the state's stand your ground law.

    The sheriff's office hasn't confirmed there were slurs uttered or said
    whether race was a factor in the shooting.

    About three dozen mostly Black protesters had gathered outside the Marion County Judicial Center Tuesday to demand that the shooter be arrested in
    the country's latest flashpoint over race and gun violence. The chief prosecutor, State Attorney William Gladson, met with the protesters and
    urged patience while the investigation continued.

    Woods said Monday detectives were working with the State Attorney's Office
    and had to investigate possible self-defense claims before they could move forward with any possible criminal charges. The sheriff pointed out that because of the stand your ground law, he couldn't make an arrest unless he could prove the shooter didn't act in self-defense.

    On Tuesday, a stuffed teddy bear and bouquets marked the area near where
    Owens was shot. Nearby, children were riding bikes and scooters, and
    playing basketball. Protesters chanted "No justice, no peace" and "A.J.
    A.J. A.J," using Owens' nickname. They carried signs saying: "Say her name Ajike Owens" and "It's about us."

    Outside, the Rev. Bernard Tuggerson said the Black community in Ocala has suffered injustices for years. "Marion County is suffering and needs to be healed completely," he said. "If we don't turn from our wicked ways of the world, it's going to be an ongoing problem. We want answers."

    Lauren Smith, 40, lives across the street from where the shooting
    happened. She was on her porch that day and saw one of Owens' young sons pacing, and yelling, "They shot my mama, they shot my mama."

    She ran toward the house, and started chest compressions until a rescue
    crew arrived. She said there wasn't an altercation and that Owens didn't
    have a weapon.

    "She was angry all the time that the children were playing out there,"
    Smith said. "She would say nasty things to them. Just nasty." Smith, who
    is White, described the neighborhood as family friendly.

    The sheriff said that since January 2021, deputies responded at least a half-dozen calls in connection with what police described as feuding
    between Owens and the woman who shot her.

    "There was a lot of aggressiveness from both of them, back and forth," the sheriff said the shooter told investigators. "Whether it be banging on the doors, banging on the walls and threats being made. And then at that
    moment is when Ms. Owens was shot through the door."
    "Stand your ground" laws in focus

    "I'm absolutely heartbroken," Angela Ferrell-Zabala, executive director of
    Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, told The Associated Press.
    She described the fatal shooting as "so senseless."

    "We've seen this again and again across this country," she said, adding
    that "it's really because of lax gun laws and a culture of shoot first."

    Ferrell-Zabala said stand your ground cases, which she refers to as "shoot first laws," are deemed justifiable five times more frequently when a
    White shooter kills a Black victim.

    In 2017, Florida lawmakers updated the state's self-defense statute to
    shift the burden of proof from a person claiming self-defense to
    prosecutors. That means authorities have to rule out self-defense before bringing charges. Before the change in law, prosecutors could charge
    someone with a shooting and then defense attorneys would have to present
    an affirmative defense for why their client shouldn't be convicted.

    In fact, stand your ground and "castle doctrine" cases - which allow
    residents to defend themselves either by law or court precedent when
    threatened - have sparked outrage amid a spate of shootings across the
    country.

    In April, 84-year-old Andrew Lester, a White man, shot and injured 16-
    year-old Ralph Yarl, a Black teenager who rang his doorbell in Kansas City after mistakenly showing up at the wrong house to pick up his younger
    siblings. Lester faces charges of first-degree assault and armed criminal action; at trial, he may argue that he thought someone was trying to break
    into his house, as he told police.

    Missouri and Florida are among about 30 states that have stand your ground laws.

    The most well-known examples of the stand your ground argument came up in
    the trial of George Zimmerman, who fatally shot Trayvon Martin.

    Zimmerman, who had a White father and Hispanic mother, told police that
    Martin attacked him, forcing him to use his gun in self-defense. He was
    allowed to go free, but was arrested about six weeks later after Martin's parents questioned his version of events and then-Gov. Rick Scott
    appointed a special prosecutor.

    Before trial, Zimmerman's attorneys chose not to pursue a stand your
    ground claim, which could have resulted in the dismissal of murder changes
    as well as immunity from prosecution. But during the trial, the law was essentially used as part of his self-defense argument. Jurors found him
    not guilty.

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  • From The 13% Again@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Wed Jan 10 07:19:41 2024
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    In article <unkubt$27j6q$5@dont-email.me>
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    One down, 42,999,999 to go.


    Two white Atlanta police officers will not face charges after
    one shot and killed 27-year-old black man Rayshard Brooks during
    an attempted arrest two years ago, the prosecutor assigned to
    the case announced Tuesday.

    Officer Garrett Rolfe, who fatally shot Brooks in June 2020, and
    his partner Officer Devin Brosnan acted reasonably when they
    used deadly force, specially appointed prosecutor Pete
    Skandalakis said.

    “We did not look at this with 20/20 hindsight,” said
    Skandalakis, the executive director of the Prosecuting
    Attorneys’ Council of Georgia. “Given the quickly changing
    circumstances, was it objectively reasonable that [Rolfe] used
    deadly force? And we conclude it was.”

    Brooks began fighting with the officers when they attempted to
    arrest him and grabbed one of their tasers, which he fired at
    Rolfe as he ran away. Rolfe then fired his gun and shot Brooks
    twice in the back, according to dash cam footage and an autopsy
    report.

    The police shooting happened on June 12, 2020 less than three
    weeks after George Floyd was killed by a Minneapolis police
    officer and at the height of national unrest over issues of
    police brutality and systemic racism. Protests in Atlanta over
    Floyd’s death had begun to subside, but Brook’s killing invoked
    another wave of demonstrations.

    In hindsight, Skandalakis said he does not believe Brook’s race
    played a role in his death.

    “This isn’t one of those cases,” he said. “This is a case in
    which the officers were willing to give Mr. Brooks every benefit
    of the doubt and, you know, unfortunately, by his actions, this
    is what happened.”

    The two officers had a calm 40-minute conversation with Brooks
    before the encounter turned violent. They had been called to a
    Wendy’s over complaints that a man was sleeping in a car in the
    drive-thru lane at the chain restaurant and encountered Brooks.

    After conversing for nearly an hour, the officers moved to
    arrest Brooks, saying he had too much to drink to be driving a
    car. Brooks resisted and a struggle between the three followed,
    dash camera video shows.

    During the tussle, Brooks was able to grab hold of Brosnan’s
    taser. He fired it at Rolfe and ran away. Rolfe returned fire
    with his gun and fatally shot Brooks.

    Skandalakis called the interaction “a peaceful encounter that
    all of a sudden becomes a violent encounter,” saying that once
    Brooks grabbed the taser, he assumed an offensive position.

    Brooks’ death led Rolfe to be fired the following day — though
    his termination was overturned in May 2021.

    His death also sent instant shock waves through Atlanta, causing
    Police Chief Erika Shields to resign less than 24 hours later
    and protestors to set fire to the Wendy’s.

    Five days later, then-Fulton County District Attorney Paul
    Howard put out warrants against Rolfe and his partner Rosnan.
    Rolfe’s charges included felony murder.

    Critics of the officer’s actions said they shot Brooks as he
    retreated and was running in the opposite direction.

    A lawyer for Brook’s family said Tuesday that he shouldn’t have
    fought against the officers and that they would have been
    completely justified in their use of deadly force if they had in
    fact used said force during the tussle.

    “But they did not. They did not. They chose not to when they
    were justified. But they decided to use lethal force as a man
    was running away — 19 feet away,” L. Chris Stewart said.

    He said a jury should have made the decision on whether to
    indict the officers rather than the prosecutor, citing the
    complexity of the situation.

    The family meanwhile is seeking justice in civil court, where
    they have a lawsuit pending.

    Lawyers for Rolfe and Brosnan said their clients’ actions that
    day were justified and praised Skandalaki’s decision against
    pursuing charges.

    “More than two years after the incident that resulted in
    Rayshard Brooks’s death, the State of Georgia has finally
    arrived at the right decision: that Officer Brosnan’s arrest was
    never supported by any evidence,” Brosnan attorney Amanda Clark
    Palmer said in a statement.

    She said that Brosnan suffered a concussion as a result of the
    altercation with Brooks, who assaulted and tased him.

    “Despite his own injuries, he called for and personally rendered
    aid to Mr. Brooks after the shooting,” Palmer added.

    Skandalakis said Tuesday that he will file paperwork to dismiss
    the initial warrants filed by Howard against the two men.

    Two months after he announced the charges in a dramatic news
    conference, Howard lost his bid for reelection. Fani Willis beat
    him in the Democratic primary and took office in January 2021.

    Willis asked Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr to reassign the
    case, citing concerns about Howard’s actions, just a few weeks
    into her term.

    After initial opposition, Carr appointed Skandalakis to take
    over the case from Willis’ office in July 2021.

    With Post wires

    https://nypost.com/2022/08/24/atlanta-cops-garrett-rolfe-devin- brosnan-wont-face-charges-in-rayshard-brooks-shooting/

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  • From David Hartung@21:1/5 to tRUMP on Wed Jan 10 05:46:01 2024
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    On 1/9/24 20:11, tRUMP wrote:
    White woman who fatally shot Black neighbor through front door arrested on manslaughter and other charges

    As was proper.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to tRUMP on Wed Jan 10 08:18:39 2024
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    "tRUMP" <elonx@protonmail.com> wrote in message news:unkubt$27j6q$5@dont-email.me...
    White woman who fatally shot Black neighbor through front door arrested on manslaughter and other charges

    "They told their mother what happened and "Owens
    approached Lorincz's home, knocked on the door multiple times, and
    demanded that Lorincz come outside. Lorincz then fired one shot through
    the door, striking Owens in her upper chest"

    Well, she just did what the President of the United States said she should
    do in such a case.

    How can that be a crime? I mean it's Joe Biden, a Democrat, who we're told
    is the smartest man to ever be President.

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  • From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to David Hartung on Wed Jan 10 07:45:43 2024
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    On 1/10/2024 3:46 AM, David Hartung wrote:
    On 1/9/24 20:11, tRUMP wrote:
    White woman who fatally shot Black neighbor through front door arrested on >> manslaughter and other charges

    As was proper.

    You're only saying that because you're unhappy at being wrong about Lt. Michael Byrd (American hero) killing that insurrectionist skank.

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  • From Edward Blum@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 14 16:23:29 2024
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    White woman who fatally shot Black neighbor through front door arrested on manslaughter and other charges

    June 7, 2023 / 3:11 AM / CBS/AP

    Ocala, Fla. A White woman who fired through her front and killed a Black neighbor was arrested Tuesday, authorities said, in a case that's put
    Florida's divisive "stand your ground law" back in the spotlight. The
    shooting sparked widespread anger and protests.

    The Marion County Sheriff's Office said Susan Lorincz, 58, was charged
    with manslaughter with a firearm and other offenses.

    Ajike Owens, a 35-year-old mother of four, was killed Friday night in a shooting Sheriff Billy Woods said was the culmination of a 2-and-a-half-
    year feud between the neighbors.

    They lived in the rolling hills south of Ocala, a north Florida city
    that's the heart of the state's horse country.

    According to the sheriff's office, evidence showed that, over time,
    Lorincz had become angry over Owens' children playing in a field close to
    her apartment.


    On Friday night, the office said, Lorincz got into an argument with the children and "was overhead yelling at them by a neighbor."

    During the argument, the office continued, Lorincz threw a roller skate at Owens' 10-year-old son and hit him in a toe. The boy and his 12-year-old brother then went to speak to Lorincz, and she opened her door and swung
    at them with an umbrella. They told their mother what happened and "Owens approached Lorincz's home, knocked on the door multiple times, and
    demanded that Lorincz come outside. Lorincz then fired one shot through
    the door, striking Owens in her upper chest.

    "At the time she was shot, Owens' 10-year-old son was standing beside
    her," the sheriff's office noted.

    Deputies responding to a trespassing call at the apartment Friday night
    found Owens suffering from gunshot wounds. She later died at a hospital.

    When questioned by the sheriff's office, Lorincz claimed she acted in self-defense and that Owens was trying to break down her door. "Lorincz
    also claimed that Owens had come after her in the past and had previously attacked her," the office continued.

    But "detectives were able to establish that Lorincz's actions were not justifiable under Florida law" and she was arrested, the office said. susan-lorincz.jpg
    Susan Lorincz in mugshot after her arrest on June 6, 2023 Marion County (Florida) Sheriff's Office

    The manslaughter charge Lorincz is facing is punishable by up to 30 years
    in prison, the office noted. She's also charged with culpable negligence, battery, and two counts of assault.

    Billy Woods said in a statement that he wants "to thank Ms. Owens' family
    for their patience as we conducted the diligent investigation that we were bound by law to conduct. Ms. Lorincz's fate is now in the hands of the
    judicial system which I trust will deliver justice in due course. As I go
    to bed tonight, I will be saying a prayer for Ms. Owens' children and the
    rest of her family. I'd ask all of you to do the same."
    Pressure was mounting

    Owens' family members called for the arrest at a news conference Monday.

    And at a vigil Monday, Owens' mother, Pamela Dias, said she was seeking
    justice for her daughter and her grandchildren.

    "My daughter, my grandchildren's mother, was shot and killed with her ...
    son standing next to her," Dias said. "She had no weapon. She posed no
    imminent threat to anyone."

    Civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who's representing Owens' family, said in
    a statement that the shooter had been yelling racial slurs at the children before the confrontation.

    He also represented Trayvon Martin's family in 2012, when the Black
    teenager was killed in a case that drew worldwide attention to the state's stand your ground law.

    The sheriff's office hasn't confirmed there were slurs uttered or said
    whether race was a factor in the shooting.

    About three dozen mostly Black protesters had gathered outside the Marion County Judicial Center Tuesday to demand that the shooter be arrested in
    the country's latest flashpoint over race and gun violence. The chief prosecutor, State Attorney William Gladson, met with the protesters and
    urged patience while the investigation continued.

    Woods said Monday detectives were working with the State Attorney's Office
    and had to investigate possible self-defense claims before they could move forward with any possible criminal charges. The sheriff pointed out that because of the stand your ground law, he couldn't make an arrest unless he could prove the shooter didn't act in self-defense.

    On Tuesday, a stuffed teddy bear and bouquets marked the area near where
    Owens was shot. Nearby, children were riding bikes and scooters, and
    playing basketball. Protesters chanted "No justice, no peace" and "A.J.
    A.J. A.J," using Owens' nickname. They carried signs saying: "Say her name Ajike Owens" and "It's about us."

    Outside, the Rev. Bernard Tuggerson said the Black community in Ocala has suffered injustices for years. "Marion County is suffering and needs to be healed completely," he said. "If we don't turn from our wicked ways of the world, it's going to be an ongoing problem. We want answers."

    Lauren Smith, 40, lives across the street from where the shooting
    happened. She was on her porch that day and saw one of Owens' young sons pacing, and yelling, "They shot my mama, they shot my mama."

    She ran toward the house, and started chest compressions until a rescue
    crew arrived. She said there wasn't an altercation and that Owens didn't
    have a weapon.

    "She was angry all the time that the children were playing out there,"
    Smith said. "She would say nasty things to them. Just nasty." Smith, who
    is White, described the neighborhood as family friendly.

    The sheriff said that since January 2021, deputies responded at least a half-dozen calls in connection with what police described as feuding
    between Owens and the woman who shot her.

    "There was a lot of aggressiveness from both of them, back and forth," the sheriff said the shooter told investigators. "Whether it be banging on the doors, banging on the walls and threats being made. And then at that
    moment is when Ms. Owens was shot through the door."
    "Stand your ground" laws in focus

    "I'm absolutely heartbroken," Angela Ferrell-Zabala, executive director of
    Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, told The Associated Press.
    She described the fatal shooting as "so senseless."

    "We've seen this again and again across this country," she said, adding
    that "it's really because of lax gun laws and a culture of shoot first."

    Ferrell-Zabala said stand your ground cases, which she refers to as "shoot first laws," are deemed justifiable five times more frequently when a
    White shooter kills a Black victim.

    In 2017, Florida lawmakers updated the state's self-defense statute to
    shift the burden of proof from a person claiming self-defense to
    prosecutors. That means authorities have to rule out self-defense before bringing charges. Before the change in law, prosecutors could charge
    someone with a shooting and then defense attorneys would have to present
    an affirmative defense for why their client shouldn't be convicted.

    In fact, stand your ground and "castle doctrine" cases - which allow
    residents to defend themselves either by law or court precedent when
    threatened - have sparked outrage amid a spate of shootings across the
    country.

    In April, 84-year-old Andrew Lester, a White man, shot and injured 16-
    year-old Ralph Yarl, a Black teenager who rang his doorbell in Kansas City after mistakenly showing up at the wrong house to pick up his younger
    siblings. Lester faces charges of first-degree assault and armed criminal action; at trial, he may argue that he thought someone was trying to break
    into his house, as he told police.

    Missouri and Florida are among about 30 states that have stand your ground laws.

    The most well-known examples of the stand your ground argument came up in
    the trial of George Zimmerman, who fatally shot Trayvon Martin.

    Zimmerman, who had a White father and Hispanic mother, told police that
    Martin attacked him, forcing him to use his gun in self-defense. He was
    allowed to go free, but was arrested about six weeks later after Martin's parents questioned his version of events and then-Gov. Rick Scott
    appointed a special prosecutor.

    Before trial, Zimmerman's attorneys chose not to pursue a stand your
    ground claim, which could have resulted in the dismissal of murder changes
    as well as immunity from prosecution. But during the trial, the law was essentially used as part of his self-defense argument. Jurors found him
    not guilty.

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