• Opiod epidemic

    From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to nospam@demosthenes.nospam on Tue May 9 21:39:47 2017
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    On Tue, 09 May 2017 17:50:51 -0400, Demosthenes
    <nospam@demosthenes.nospam> wrote:


    Do we want to legalize medical marijuana at the Federal level? We could >prescribe marijuana for pain, instead of opiods. Opiods prescribed for
    pain lead to addiction and lead to heroin. So, we prescribe marijuana
    for pain instead.

    Careful ... they may just decide that God WANTS sinners
    to suffer :-)

    In any case the "opioid epidemic" is just the latest bit of
    propaganda generated on behalf of the beer/wine/liquor
    industry. There has been a slight uptick in overdoses
    but that's because of the "drug war" ... some pinheaded
    puritan thought that by making factory-made pills hard
    to get that everybody would magically become a good
    little hymn-singin' puro-Christians. Nope - as predicted
    they turned the other way at the intersection and headed
    straight down to Harry the heroin dealers place ........

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 9 19:19:52 2017
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    On 05/09/2017 06:39 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
    On Tue, 09 May 2017 17:50:51 -0400, Demosthenes
    <nospam@demosthenes.nospam> wrote:


    Do we want to legalize medical marijuana at the Federal level? We could
    prescribe marijuana for pain, instead of opiods. Opiods prescribed for
    pain lead to addiction and lead to heroin. So, we prescribe marijuana
    for pain instead.

    Careful ... they may just decide that God WANTS sinners
    to suffer :-)

    Actually as a Medical Marijuana patient I doubt very much that cannabis will ever replace opiates for pain relief. They use synthetic
    opiates like Fentanyl to do surgery as a simple example.
    But the only improvement that cannabis offers is that it is not
    a respiratory depressant. Sometime you need to have respiratory
    depression but not while abusing multiple respiratory depressants
    like opiates and alcohol.

    Otherwise Demosthenes seems to be a Troll widely cross-posting.

    In any case the "opioid epidemic" is just the latest bit of
    propaganda generated on behalf of the beer/wine/liquor
    industry. There has been a slight uptick in overdoses
    but that's because of the "drug war" ... some pinheaded
    puritan thought that by making factory-made pills hard
    to get that everybody would magically become a good
    little hymn-singin' puro-Christians. Nope - as predicted
    they turned the other way at the intersection and headed
    straight down to Harry the heroin dealers place ........


    Just as when alcohol was prohibited it promoted the enrichment
    of criminal entrepreneurs so will overly strict rules regarding
    opiates and their derivatives cause criminals to become much richer
    to the point that they will help elect moralists to high office
    to increase their profits.

    bliss

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  • From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to bliss@mouse-potato.com on Wed May 10 11:44:56 2017
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    XPost: talk.politics.republicans

    On Tue, 9 May 2017 19:19:52 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 05/09/2017 06:39 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
    On Tue, 09 May 2017 17:50:51 -0400, Demosthenes
    <nospam@demosthenes.nospam> wrote:


    Do we want to legalize medical marijuana at the Federal level? We could
    prescribe marijuana for pain, instead of opiods. Opiods prescribed for
    pain lead to addiction and lead to heroin. So, we prescribe marijuana
    for pain instead.

    Careful ... they may just decide that God WANTS sinners
    to suffer :-)

    Actually as a Medical Marijuana patient I doubt very much that cannabis
    will ever replace opiates for pain relief. They use synthetic
    opiates like Fentanyl to do surgery as a simple example.
    But the only improvement that cannabis offers is that it is not
    a respiratory depressant. Sometime you need to have respiratory
    depression but not while abusing multiple respiratory depressants
    like opiates and alcohol.


    Well, from long-past experience, cannabis did NOT
    immunize you from pain. It could kind of distract you
    from MINOR discomforts but it sure as hell wasn't
    something you'd take for a fractured femur or twisted
    spine or having your internal organs prodded.

    The dose of even the less-intoxicating derivatives that
    would be needed for opioid-level effectiveness ... if
    there IS such a level ... would leave you so whacked
    out as to be a de-facto invalid.


    Otherwise Demosthenes seems to be a Troll widely cross-posting.

    In any case the "opioid epidemic" is just the latest bit of
    propaganda generated on behalf of the beer/wine/liquor
    industry. There has been a slight uptick in overdoses
    but that's because of the "drug war" ... some pinheaded
    puritan thought that by making factory-made pills hard
    to get that everybody would magically become a good
    little hymn-singin' puro-Christians. Nope - as predicted
    they turned the other way at the intersection and headed
    straight down to Harry the heroin dealers place ........


    Just as when alcohol was prohibited it promoted the enrichment
    of criminal entrepreneurs so will overly strict rules regarding
    opiates and their derivatives cause criminals to become much richer
    to the point that they will help elect moralists to high office
    to increase their profits.

    Well, there are a couple of factors involved here.

    One IS the profits of alcohol producers ... which are VERY
    considerable - and they DO grease their politicians. These
    people are the main reason for the prolonged reefer
    prohibition. "We need more studies !" ... yea, right ... been
    "studied" for millenia.

    Another important factor is what's often called the "Church
    vote" ... in short quasi-fundy puritan-prescriptive blue-nosed
    bony-finger-in-yer-face maximum-micromanaging Xians.
    Leaders DO covet that large voting bloc even though you
    might say they're "establishing" religion by doing so. This is
    the faction that thinks there should be no pleasure or joy
    EXCEPT in the contemplation of their god. It's for your own
    good ya know. Not all so much different from ISIL and
    al-Qaida actually IMHO ....

    There's the "Soccer-Mom" bloc ... who'd keep little Timmy
    and Tammy chained up in a padded basement for their
    "safety" if it was legal.

    There IS a legit "medical" bloc that's worried about side
    effects and overdoses. However the politicians only
    pay attention to them when it's politically USEFUL to
    do so ... enough lead in your drinking water to make
    a car battery - who cares ?

    Alas the "drug war" has caused vast numbers of unneeded
    casualties. The biggest problem with opioids has always
    been the QUALITY of street drugs - the dosage is always
    a mystery, gotta actually try it to see if your're gonna die.
    The recent war on Oxy's caused large numbers of people
    to switch from a predictable dose of good stuff to mystery
    doses of gawd-knows-WHAT'S-in-it. Any theory that this
    was not going to be the case ... put that down to the
    puritan faction. IMHO they're guilty of mass murder.

    Drugs CAN be pretty bad - but high quality legal drugs
    of known strength ain't gonna be NEARLY the problem
    of whatever the street dealers come up with. There's
    also a psychological factor oft called the "perception
    of shortage" - advertisers use it "Buy NOW before
    supplies run out !" - and users of street drugs always
    feel under pressure, under the gun - so they use more
    and more often, just in case.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 10 09:31:53 2017
    XPost: alt.politics.republican, alt.politics.usa, talk.politics.misc
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    On 05/10/2017 08:44 AM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
    On Tue, 9 May 2017 19:19:52 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 05/09/2017 06:39 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
    On Tue, 09 May 2017 17:50:51 -0400, Demosthenes
    <nospam@demosthenes.nospam> wrote:


    Do we want to legalize medical marijuana at the Federal level? We could >>>> prescribe marijuana for pain, instead of opiods. Opiods prescribed for >>>> pain lead to addiction and lead to heroin. So, we prescribe marijuana
    for pain instead.

    Careful ... they may just decide that God WANTS sinners
    to suffer :-)

    Actually as a Medical Marijuana patient I doubt very much that cannabis >> will ever replace opiates for pain relief. They use synthetic
    opiates like Fentanyl to do surgery as a simple example.
    But the only improvement that cannabis offers is that it is not
    a respiratory depressant. Sometime you need to have respiratory
    depression but not while abusing multiple respiratory depressants
    like opiates and alcohol.


    Well, from long-past experience, cannabis did NOT
    immunize you from pain. It could kind of distract you
    from MINOR discomforts but it sure as hell wasn't
    something you'd take for a fractured femur or twisted
    spine or having your internal organs prodded.

    The dose of even the less-intoxicating derivatives that
    would be needed for opioid-level effectiveness ... if
    there IS such a level ... would leave you so whacked
    out as to be a de-facto invalid.


    Otherwise Demosthenes seems to be a Troll widely cross-posting.

    In any case the "opioid epidemic" is just the latest bit of
    propaganda generated on behalf of the beer/wine/liquor
    industry. There has been a slight uptick in overdoses
    but that's because of the "drug war" ... some pinheaded
    puritan thought that by making factory-made pills hard
    to get that everybody would magically become a good
    little hymn-singin' puro-Christians. Nope - as predicted
    they turned the other way at the intersection and headed
    straight down to Harry the heroin dealers place ........


    Just as when alcohol was prohibited it promoted the enrichment
    of criminal entrepreneurs so will overly strict rules regarding
    opiates and their derivatives cause criminals to become much richer
    to the point that they will help elect moralists to high office
    to increase their profits.

    Well, there are a couple of factors involved here.

    One IS the profits of alcohol producers ... which are VERY
    considerable - and they DO grease their politicians. These
    people are the main reason for the prolonged reefer
    prohibition. "We need more studies !" ... yea, right ... been
    "studied" for millenia.

    Another important factor is what's often called the "Church
    vote" ... in short quasi-fundy puritan-prescriptive blue-nosed
    bony-finger-in-yer-face maximum-micromanaging Xians.
    Leaders DO covet that large voting bloc even though you
    might say they're "establishing" religion by doing so. This is
    the faction that thinks there should be no pleasure or joy
    EXCEPT in the contemplation of their god. It's for your own
    good ya know. Not all so much different from ISIL and
    al-Qaida actually IMHO ....

    There's the "Soccer-Mom" bloc ... who'd keep little Timmy
    and Tammy chained up in a padded basement for their
    "safety" if it was legal.

    There IS a legit "medical" bloc that's worried about side
    effects and overdoses. However the politicians only
    pay attention to them when it's politically USEFUL to
    do so ... enough lead in your drinking water to make
    a car battery - who cares ?

    Alas the "drug war" has caused vast numbers of unneeded
    casualties. The biggest problem with opioids has always
    been the QUALITY of street drugs - the dosage is always
    a mystery, gotta actually try it to see if your're gonna die.
    The recent war on Oxy's caused large numbers of people
    to switch from a predictable dose of good stuff to mystery
    doses of gawd-knows-WHAT'S-in-it. Any theory that this
    was not going to be the case ... put that down to the
    puritan faction. IMHO they're guilty of mass murder.

    Drugs CAN be pretty bad - but high quality legal drugs
    of known strength ain't gonna be NEARLY the problem
    of whatever the street dealers come up with. There's
    also a psychological factor oft called the "perception
    of shortage" - advertisers use it "Buy NOW before
    supplies run out !" - and users of street drugs always
    feel under pressure, under the gun - so they use more
    and more often, just in case.

    Speaking the truth Mr.Black is. One of the reasons that
    in the days of experimentation in my extended youth I limited myself
    to non-opiates and prescription pharmaceuticals. My rule was only
    cannabis, LSD and naturally occurring hallucinogenics such as
    mescaline in San Pedro cacti and psilocybin.

    But I had to give up all those more interesting materials
    after I contracted SEID. Don't have the endurance for such long
    trips or the money since I cannot work even at phone sales any
    longer.

    bliss

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    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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