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Tonight, Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt testified in
favor of Oregon legislators’ latest proposal to recriminalize hard drugs, ending a lengthy public silence on whether he supports rolling back the
heart of the 2020 ballot measure that made Oregon the first state in the country to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of heroin, meth
and fentanyl.

“What we have seen over the last few years as fentanyl has hit the West
Coast is unacceptable, and we need to take action to help those struggling
with addiction,” he said. “We can approach addiction as the health issue
it is, while also holding people accountable for how they impact our community.”

Schmidt won office in 2020 in a landslide on a progressive platform that included the promise of not returning to the “failed ‘war on drugs’”
policies of the past. In recent months, he’s pushed an alternative
proposal that would keep the core of Measure 110 intact: penalizing the
public use of the hard drugs voters decriminalized. When WW asked him
earlier this month whether he supported recriminalizing hard drugs, he
pointed to his proposed public use ban and declined to answer the
question.

But legislators have stood firm with their intention to restore
misdemeanor penalties for possession of such drugs, and Schmidt is now
bowing to political reality: Spiking overdoses and the visible impact of addiction on Portland’s streets has made decriminalization unpalatable for
many voters. Schmidt faces Nathan Vasquez, a challenger to his right and
from within his own office, in the upcoming May election.

Schmidt’s turnaround is even more striking because it arrives just days
after he received a $30,000 contribution, his largest, from the Drug
Policy Alliance, the deep-pocketed drug policy reform group that backed
Measure 110.

The bill, as currently proposed, would make possession of small amounts of illicit drugs an “unclassified” misdemeanor, with penalties of up to 180
days in jail. That penalty, however, is meant as a last resort,
legislators say. Instead, it’s meant to push users into diversion programs
and treatment, through which they can avoid charges or expunge their
record.

Still, the law as currently designed will result in 2,200 more convictions
per year and disproportionately affect Black Oregonians, according to a
state analysis.

Opponents of the bill say it ignores the fact that the state continues to
lack sufficient drug treatment services. “This bill does not change that
sad reality,” testified Multnomah County public defender Grant Hartley on Monday.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2024/02/26/mike-schmidt-endorses-proposal-to- re-criminalize-hard-drugs/

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On 2/28/24 7:10 AM, Surrender! wrote:

Tonight, Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt testified in
favor of Oregon legislators’ latest proposal to recriminalize hard drugs, ending a lengthy public silence on whether he supports rolling back the
heart of the 2020 ballot measure that made Oregon the first state in the country to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of heroin, meth
and fentanyl.

How quickly they turn .... :-)

Look, there's no perfect - or even halfway perfect - fix
for the 'drug problem'. Criminalization = Big Crime,
legalization = Social Dissolution. It's a human nature
thing, people just LOVE their drugs and will get 'em
and take 'em no matter what even if it kills them. It's
how the species is hardwired.

So, what ya gonna do ?

Throw all the dopeheads/dealers in jail for 50 years and
you'll run out of jail space real quick - and $$$ to run
any such system even if you turn some big island into
a gulag. Oh, and up the stakes too much and the crime
gets more and more violent. On the flip, go TOO easy
on 'em and it will be a situation similar to the west
coast BlueVilles streets - a "no worries, gimme a
bag of ..." attitude.

Not every human issue has a good solution. We just have
to kinda kludge our way through it.

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 12:59:21 -0500, "61h.1601" <61h.1602@e3t2w.net> wrote:

On 2/28/24 7:10 AM, Surrender! wrote:

Tonight, Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt testified in
favor of Oregon legislators’ latest proposal to recriminalize hard drugs,
ending a lengthy public silence on whether he supports rolling back the
heart of the 2020 ballot measure that made Oregon the first state in the
country to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of heroin, meth
and fentanyl.

How quickly they turn .... :-)

Look, there's no perfect - or even halfway perfect - fix
for the 'drug problem'. Criminalization = Big Crime,
legalization = Social Dissolution. It's a human nature
thing, people just LOVE their drugs and will get 'em
and take 'em no matter what even if it kills them. It's
how the species is hardwired.

So, what ya gonna do ?

Throw all the dopeheads/dealers in jail for 50 years and
you'll run out of jail space real quick - and $$$ to run
any such system even if you turn some big island into
a gulag. Oh, and up the stakes too much and the crime
gets more and more violent. On the flip, go TOO easy
on 'em and it will be a situation similar to the west
coast BlueVilles streets - a "no worries, gimme a
bag of ..." attitude.

Not every human issue has a good solution. We just have
to kinda kludge our way through it.

Oh the best policy with drug abusers is to give them enough Fentanyl to
do them selves in. Back when China had millions of opioid addicts Mao just
had his police shoot them in the back of their head. Everybody gotta die sometime and it would be much cheaper then putting them up in a steel bar hotel.

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On 2024-02-29, Sam <samt@samt.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 12:59:21 -0500, "61h.1601" <61h.1602@e3t2w.net> wrote:

On 2/28/24 7:10 AM, Surrender! wrote:

Tonight, Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt testified in
favor of Oregon legislatorsÂ’ latest proposal to recriminalize hard drugs, >>> ending a lengthy public silence on whether he supports rolling back the
heart of the 2020 ballot measure that made Oregon the first state in the >>> country to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of heroin, meth >>> and fentanyl.

How quickly they turn .... :-)

Look, there's no perfect - or even halfway perfect - fix
for the 'drug problem'. Criminalization = Big Crime,
legalization = Social Dissolution. It's a human nature
thing, people just LOVE their drugs and will get 'em
and take 'em no matter what even if it kills them. It's
how the species is hardwired.

So, what ya gonna do ?

Throw all the dopeheads/dealers in jail for 50 years and
you'll run out of jail space real quick - and $$$ to run
any such system even if you turn some big island into
a gulag. Oh, and up the stakes too much and the crime
gets more and more violent. On the flip, go TOO easy
on 'em and it will be a situation similar to the west
coast BlueVilles streets - a "no worries, gimme a
bag of ..." attitude.

Not every human issue has a good solution. We just have
to kinda kludge our way through it.

Oh the best policy with drug abusers is to give them enough Fentanyl to
do them selves in. Back when China had millions of opioid addicts Mao just had his police shoot them in the back of their head. Everybody gotta die sometime and it would be much cheaper then putting them up in a steel bar hotel.

My family spent $10k trying to rehab a family member. Despite all the money spent the day after he was released he had of a Fentynal overdose.
It is sad, but there is no salvation for opiate addicts. Only about 97%
of them that go to treatment relapse back into the drug within 30 days.

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On 2/28/24 20:28, Sam wrote:

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 12:59:21 -0500, "61h.1601" <61h.1602@e3t2w.net> wrote:

On 2/28/24 7:10 AM, Surrender! wrote:

Tonight, Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt testified in
favor of Oregon legislators’ latest proposal to recriminalize hard drugs, >>> ending a lengthy public silence on whether he supports rolling back the
heart of the 2020 ballot measure that made Oregon the first state in the >>> country to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of heroin, meth >>> and fentanyl.

How quickly they turn .... :-)

Look, there's no perfect - or even halfway perfect - fix
for the 'drug problem'. Criminalization = Big Crime,
legalization = Social Dissolution. It's a human nature
thing, people just LOVE their drugs and will get 'em
and take 'em no matter what even if it kills them. It's
how the species is hardwired.

So, what ya gonna do ?

Throw all the dopeheads/dealers in jail for 50 years and
you'll run out of jail space real quick - and $$$ to run
any such system even if you turn some big island into
a gulag. Oh, and up the stakes too much and the crime
gets more and more violent. On the flip, go TOO easy
on 'em and it will be a situation similar to the west
coast BlueVilles streets - a "no worries, gimme a
bag of ..." attitude.

Not every human issue has a good solution. We just have
to kinda kludge our way through it.

Oh the best policy with drug abusers is to give them enough Fentanyl to
do them selves in. Back when China had millions of opioid addicts Mao just had his police shoot them in the back of their head. Everybody gotta die sometime and it would be much cheaper then putting them up in a steel bar hotel.

Wouldn't you rather give them a safer drug like Morphine Sulfate
so that they live long enough to have a fair chance at recovery from the condition of opiate addiction?
Morphine is a legal opiate and manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. It will ease withdrawal pains from heroin and fentanyl but
can be reduced to either nothing or maintenance doses. This is the
drug that should be used in so-called safe clinics for getting
people off of the worse drugs and who cannot be maintained on
methadone.
Locking people up in jails and prisons is not a good remedy.
People who sell fentanyl here in San Francisco are being
charged in the deaths of their customers with murder.
You might find my position soft but on the other hand I
have known several opiate abusers and one was a friend who made
a bad choice and died for it. Still miss Page who severely depressed
by September 9, 2001.

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Sam <samt@samt.invalid> wrote in news:l4affdF706uU2@mid.individual.net:

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 12:59:21 -0500, "61h.1601" <61h.1602@e3t2w.net>
wrote:

On 2/28/24 7:10 AM, Surrender! wrote:

Tonight, Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt testified
in favor of Oregon legislators’ latest proposal to recriminalize
hard drugs, ending a lengthy public silence on whether he supports
rolling back the heart of the 2020 ballot measure that made Oregon
the first state in the country to decriminalize the possession of
small amounts of heroin, meth and fentanyl.

How quickly they turn .... :-)

Look, there's no perfect - or even halfway perfect - fix
for the 'drug problem'. Criminalization = Big Crime,
legalization = Social Dissolution. It's a human nature
thing, people just LOVE their drugs and will get 'em
and take 'em no matter what even if it kills them. It's
how the species is hardwired.

So, what ya gonna do ?

Throw all the dopeheads/dealers in jail for 50 years and
you'll run out of jail space real quick - and $$$ to run
any such system even if you turn some big island into
a gulag. Oh, and up the stakes too much and the crime
gets more and more violent. On the flip, go TOO easy
on 'em and it will be a situation similar to the west
coast BlueVilles streets - a "no worries, gimme a
bag of ..." attitude.

Not every human issue has a good solution. We just have
to kinda kludge our way through it.

Oh the best policy with drug abusers is to give them enough Fentanyl
to
do them selves in. Back when China had millions of opioid addicts Mao
just had his police shoot them in the back of their head. Everybody
gotta die sometime and it would be much cheaper then putting them up
in a steel bar hotel.

And then you call yourself "pro-life".

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Mikey <Mikey.Smith@aol.com> wrote in
news:l4akr3F7polU1@mid.individual.net:

On 2024-02-29, Sam <samt@samt.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 12:59:21 -0500, "61h.1601" <61h.1602@e3t2w.net>
wrote:

On 2/28/24 7:10 AM, Surrender! wrote:

Tonight, Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt testified
in favor of Oregon legislatorsÂ’ latest proposal to recriminalize
hard drugs, ending a lengthy public silence on whether he supports
rolling back the heart of the 2020 ballot measure that made Oregon
the first state in the country to decriminalize the possession of
small amounts of heroin, meth and fentanyl.

How quickly they turn .... :-)

Look, there's no perfect - or even halfway perfect - fix
for the 'drug problem'. Criminalization = Big Crime,
legalization = Social Dissolution. It's a human nature
thing, people just LOVE their drugs and will get 'em
and take 'em no matter what even if it kills them. It's
how the species is hardwired.

So, what ya gonna do ?

Throw all the dopeheads/dealers in jail for 50 years and
you'll run out of jail space real quick - and $$$ to run
any such system even if you turn some big island into
a gulag. Oh, and up the stakes too much and the crime
gets more and more violent. On the flip, go TOO easy
on 'em and it will be a situation similar to the west
coast BlueVilles streets - a "no worries, gimme a
bag of ..." attitude.

Not every human issue has a good solution. We just have
to kinda kludge our way through it.

Oh the best policy with drug abusers is to give them enough Fentanyl
to
do them selves in. Back when China had millions of opioid addicts Mao
just had his police shoot them in the back of their head. Everybody
gotta die sometime and it would be much cheaper then putting them up
in a steel bar hotel.

My family spent $10k trying to rehab a family member. Despite all the
money
spent the day after he was released he had of a Fentynal overdose.
It is sad, but there is no salvation for opiate addicts. Only about
97% of them that go to treatment relapse back into the drug within 30
days.

That sounds like propaganda from someone who doesn't want to pay taxes
for rehab.

This is actual:
===============
Between 85 percent and 95 percent of all people who successfully complete
drug rehab report still being abstinent from all drugs nine months after discharge.

https://www.legacytreatment.org/blog/rehab-success-rate-statistics/

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On 2/28/24 20:28, Sam wrote:

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 12:59:21 -0500, "61h.1601" <61h.1602@e3t2w.net> wrote:

On 2/28/24 7:10 AM, Surrender! wrote:

Tonight, Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt testified in
favor of Oregon legislators’ latest proposal to recriminalize hard drugs, >>> ending a lengthy public silence on whether he supports rolling back the
heart of the 2020 ballot measure that made Oregon the first state in the >>> country to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of heroin, meth >>> and fentanyl.

How quickly they turn .... :-)

Look, there's no perfect - or even halfway perfect - fix
for the 'drug problem'. Criminalization = Big Crime,
legalization = Social Dissolution. It's a human nature
thing, people just LOVE their drugs and will get 'em
and take 'em no matter what even if it kills them. It's
how the species is hardwired.

So, what ya gonna do ?

Throw all the dopeheads/dealers in jail for 50 years and
you'll run out of jail space real quick - and $$$ to run
any such system even if you turn some big island into
a gulag. Oh, and up the stakes too much and the crime
gets more and more violent. On the flip, go TOO easy
on 'em and it will be a situation similar to the west
coast BlueVilles streets - a "no worries, gimme a
bag of ..." attitude.

Not every human issue has a good solution. We just have
to kinda kludge our way through it.

Oh the best policy with drug abusers is to give them enough Fentanyl to
do them selves in. Back when China had millions of opioid addicts Mao just had his police shoot them in the back of their head. Everybody gotta die sometime and it would be much cheaper then putting them up in a steel bar hotel.

That is not a policy for which you will find much support.

Actually if you are talking salvation that is for all and depends on the mercy of a diety or evolution whichever has so far
been able to produce the addictive personality as well as less
easily addicted to opiate drugs personalities. Damagingly items of
diet like the caffineated beverages and sugar-enriched foods may
be the basis of a lot of addictive behavior.

The dietary stuff gets addictive behavior started without
much notice. but I am on a cacoa maintainence regime. I dunnu what
to do about the Usenet addiction or compuiter use which may be
my personally most damaging behavior.

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