• Re: Another "Psychedelics Last Weeks" Article - Pure Drug-War Propagand

    From 56d.1152@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Wed Nov 1 00:02:52 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 10/31/23 11:19 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 10/31/23 19:33, 56d.1152 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12690665/Effects-psychedelic-drugs-days-WEEKS-research-shows-experts-say-pilot-tried-bring-plane-days-taking-magic-mushrooms-cautionary-tale.html


    Effects of psychedelic drugs can last for days or WEEKS, research
    shows - as experts say pilot who tried to bring down a plane days
    after taking 'magic mushrooms' should be a cautionary tale.


        The effect lasting is due to the opening up of a lot of suppressed stuff.  He was likely depressed and trying to avoid dealing with that.
    My first trip was on cannabis in a homemade by brownie and
    it told me a lot about myself.  On Street Acid, likely LSD I realized
    that I was a big ball of rage with a thin fabric of personality wrapped around it.  I used to to verbally assail my friends and picked rather unstable friends.  I got over all that in the last 46 years or so.

        Most of my friends of that time have passed on and I am 20 years older than most of my surviving friends.

    . . .

       If they were THAT good there wouldn't be much
       of a MARKET   :-)

       The longest-lasting I'm aware of is 'STP'. The
       overall effects are similar to LSD, but it can
       hang on for days.

       The sneaky trick with STP is that it comes on
       rather SLOWLY. This leads people to think they
       were cheated, got a bad batch, so they take a
       few more hits. After that they get to spend a
       long weekend in cartoon-land ...

       I knew one such guy - spent four days hiding
       in the bathtub ... which was GOOD because he
       didn't remember how to use a toilet - likely
       couldn't even SEE it.

       The other sneaky one is DMT. It comes on SUPER
       FAST AND STRONG - like several good hits of
       acid injected directly into the brain. It wears
       off quickly, but the initial attack can kinda
       break weaker minds.

        Well then what is needed is mind strengthening exercises.
    I used Ki Breathing then and in a lot of situations still use it.
    I have written a short article about it and may publish it to
    the adp eventually.   I never played with STP or DMT though and
    likely never will because why bother?


    Ummmm ... never had such issues ........ :-)

    Why does it seem everyone is psychologically unstable
    these days, full of serious "problems" ? Probably
    shouldn't do ANY psychedelics. Maybe Gen-A' or B'
    will be more mellow.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 31 20:19:00 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 10/31/23 19:33, 56d.1152 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12690665/Effects-psychedelic-drugs-days-WEEKS-research-shows-experts-say-pilot-tried-bring-plane-days-taking-magic-mushrooms-cautionary-tale.html

    Effects of psychedelic drugs can last for days or WEEKS, research
    shows - as experts say pilot who tried to bring down a plane days
    after taking 'magic mushrooms' should be a cautionary tale.


    The effect lasting is due to the opening up of a lot of suppressed stuff. He was likely depressed and trying to avoid dealing with that.
    My first trip was on cannabis in a homemade by brownie and
    it told me a lot about myself. On Street Acid, likely LSD I realized
    that I was a big ball of rage with a thin fabric of personality wrapped
    around it. I used to to verbally assail my friends and picked rather
    unstable friends. I got over all that in the last 46 years or so.

    Most of my friends of that time have passed on and I am 20 years
    older than most of my surviving friends.

    . . .

      If they were THAT good there wouldn't be much
      of a MARKET   :-)

      The longest-lasting I'm aware of is 'STP'. The
      overall effects are similar to LSD, but it can
      hang on for days.

      The sneaky trick with STP is that it comes on
      rather SLOWLY. This leads people to think they
      were cheated, got a bad batch, so they take a
      few more hits. After that they get to spend a
      long weekend in cartoon-land ...

      I knew one such guy - spent four days hiding
      in the bathtub ... which was GOOD because he
      didn't remember how to use a toilet - likely
      couldn't even SEE it.

      The other sneaky one is DMT. It comes on SUPER
      FAST AND STRONG - like several good hits of
      acid injected directly into the brain. It wears
      off quickly, but the initial attack can kinda
      break weaker minds.

    Well then what is needed is mind strengthening exercises.
    I used Ki Breathing then and in a lot of situations still use it.
    I have written a short article about it and may publish it to
    the adp eventually. I never played with STP or DMT though and
    likely never will because why bother?

    bliss - sat chit ananda...

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 1 10:11:16 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 10/31/23 21:02, 56d.1152 wrote:
    On 10/31/23 11:19 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 10/31/23 19:33, 56d.1152 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12690665/Effects-psychedelic-drugs-days-WEEKS-research-shows-experts-say-pilot-tried-bring-plane-days-taking-magic-mushrooms-cautionary-tale.html

    Effects of psychedelic drugs can last for days or WEEKS, research
    shows - as experts say pilot who tried to bring down a plane days
    after taking 'magic mushrooms' should be a cautionary tale.


         The effect lasting is due to the opening up of a lot of
    suppressed stuff.  He was likely depressed and trying to avoid dealing
    with that. My first trip was on cannabis in a homemade by brownie and
    it told me a lot about myself.  On Street Acid, likely LSD I realized
    that I was a big ball of rage with a thin fabric of personality wrapped
    around it.  I used to to verbally assail my friends and picked rather
    unstable friends.  I got over all that in the last 46 years or so.

         Most of my friends of that time have passed on and I am 20 years >> older than most of my surviving friends.

    . . .

       If they were THAT good there wouldn't be much
       of a MARKET   :-)

       The longest-lasting I'm aware of is 'STP'. The
       overall effects are similar to LSD, but it can
       hang on for days.

       The sneaky trick with STP is that it comes on
       rather SLOWLY. This leads people to think they
       were cheated, got a bad batch, so they take a
       few more hits. After that they get to spend a
       long weekend in cartoon-land ...

       I knew one such guy - spent four days hiding
       in the bathtub ... which was GOOD because he
       didn't remember how to use a toilet - likely
       couldn't even SEE it.

       The other sneaky one is DMT. It comes on SUPER
       FAST AND STRONG - like several good hits of
       acid injected directly into the brain. It wears
       off quickly, but the initial attack can kinda
       break weaker minds.

         Well then what is needed is mind strengthening exercises.
    I used Ki Breathing then and in a lot of situations still use it.
    I have written a short article about it and may publish it to
    the adp eventually.   I never played with STP or DMT though and
    likely never will because why bother?


      Ummmm ... never had such issues ........  :-)

      Why does it seem everyone is psychologically unstable
      these days, full of serious "problems" ? Probably
      shouldn't do ANY psychedelics. Maybe Gen-A' or B'
      will be more mellow.

    Because we learned to pay attenion to what was happening in the world and that world influences what is in our brains.

    I went to schools in the 1940s and 1950s where I was taught many
    untrue things about our great democracy then had to reconcil that with
    real life observatons and if the lies were true then none of the Civil
    Rights movements would have been necessary. Then when the newspapers
    were a quarter and worth the expense I noticed from San Francisco that
    black children were being shot and killed by the Police in Oakland.
    What do you think that does for respect for law and order?

    So cognitive dissonance playes a role.

    bliss - Dell Precision E7730- PCLinuxOS 64- Linux 6.5.9- Plasma 5.27.8

    --
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  • From 56d.1152@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Wed Nov 1 22:29:55 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, soc.culture

    On 11/1/23 1:11 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 10/31/23 21:02, 56d.1152 wrote:
    On 10/31/23 11:19 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 10/31/23 19:33, 56d.1152 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12690665/Effects-psychedelic-drugs-days-WEEKS-research-shows-experts-say-pilot-tried-bring-plane-days-taking-magic-mushrooms-cautionary-tale.html


    Effects of psychedelic drugs can last for days or WEEKS, research
    shows - as experts say pilot who tried to bring down a plane days
    after taking 'magic mushrooms' should be a cautionary tale.


         The effect lasting is due to the opening up of a lot of
    suppressed stuff.  He was likely depressed and trying to avoid
    dealing with that. My first trip was on cannabis in a homemade by
    brownie and
    it told me a lot about myself.  On Street Acid, likely LSD I realized
    that I was a big ball of rage with a thin fabric of personality wrapped
    around it.  I used to to verbally assail my friends and picked rather
    unstable friends.  I got over all that in the last 46 years or so.

         Most of my friends of that time have passed on and I am 20 years >>> older than most of my surviving friends.

    . . .

       If they were THAT good there wouldn't be much
       of a MARKET   :-)

       The longest-lasting I'm aware of is 'STP'. The
       overall effects are similar to LSD, but it can
       hang on for days.

       The sneaky trick with STP is that it comes on
       rather SLOWLY. This leads people to think they
       were cheated, got a bad batch, so they take a
       few more hits. After that they get to spend a
       long weekend in cartoon-land ...

       I knew one such guy - spent four days hiding
       in the bathtub ... which was GOOD because he
       didn't remember how to use a toilet - likely
       couldn't even SEE it.

       The other sneaky one is DMT. It comes on SUPER
       FAST AND STRONG - like several good hits of
       acid injected directly into the brain. It wears
       off quickly, but the initial attack can kinda
       break weaker minds.

         Well then what is needed is mind strengthening exercises.
    I used Ki Breathing then and in a lot of situations still use it.
    I have written a short article about it and may publish it to
    the adp eventually.   I never played with STP or DMT though and
    likely never will because why bother?


       Ummmm ... never had such issues ........  :-)

       Why does it seem everyone is psychologically unstable
       these days, full of serious "problems" ? Probably
       shouldn't do ANY psychedelics. Maybe Gen-A' or B'
       will be more mellow.

        Because we learned to pay attenion to what was happening in the world and that world influences what is in our brains.

    Minor problem with that analysis ... the 60s dippies
    were WELL aware of all the shit, often in better
    detail than todays' MSM-fed generations. Also they,
    well the males, were in constant danger of getting
    physically dragged in. But - while the hippies were
    dippies they did NOT have the broad spectrum of
    psychological woes I see in today's youth.

    *Something* bad happened - I think starting in the
    early-80s. The kiddies became confused, agonized over
    every facet of their own nature. Can't exactly pin
    down what the "something" was - though I suspect
    Jimmy Carter was starting to smell it, the basis
    of his "malaise" speech. Everybody thought he was
    just peeved about Reagan winning, but over time
    I've decided that he was talking about something
    far deeper, more fundamental, something more
    deeply psychological/sociological.


        I went to schools in the 1940s and 1950s where I was taught many untrue things about our great democracy

    Well ... two things.

    First, how countries see THEMSELVES is usually very
    different from how OTHERS see them. A population knows
    all the little nuances that outsiders can't know. In the
    40s/50s almost all Americans did NOT see what they were
    doing and thinking, what 'reality' was, as anything other
    than The Truth. Not much 'relativism' back then.
    (American) Truth, (American) Justice, the (American) Way.

    Second, the "Cold War" was becoming a BIG thing and
    it was necessary to WIN. Such necessity justifies a
    LOT of things. Forget all the goody-goody bullshit,
    survival outranks all of that. Fear not, the foes
    are JUST as wicked or worse ....


    then had to reconcil that with
    real life observatons and if the lies were true then none of the Civil
    Rights movements would have been necessary.  Then when the newspapers
    were a quarter and worth the expense I noticed from San Francisco that
    black children were being shot and killed by the Police in Oakland.
    What do you think that does for respect for law and order?

        So cognitive dissonance playes a role.

    Cognitive Dissonance is everyone's favorite sport. It's
    how we cope with a universe not made by or for beings
    like ourselves, "beings" at ALL, where nothing is 'fair'
    or the way we'd like it to be. If we can't believe six
    impossible things before breakfast we'd all go nuts.

    I'll refer you to the Buddhas' view of reality here - how
    we just get a 2nd/3rd-hand view through thick people-colored
    glasses.

    We pride ourselves on "logic". Alas logic is a machine
    and the quality of the output depends on the quality of
    the input. Look carefully and you'll see most of our
    axioms outside of a few features of the flinty-hard
    sciences are "soft truths", subjective, human-centered
    rather than properties of the universe.

    You can put them through the logic machine and get what
    seems like a shiny perfect answer but instead ... well ...
    the acronym is "GIGO" ... "Garbage In = Garbage Out".
    The answer is usually a multiple of 42.

    Harvard Med actually did a fMRI study of people doing
    "logic", and the emotional parts of the brain lit up
    like the proverbial xmas tree. Soft truths, soft
    reasoning, requires putting your thumb on the scale
    so you can *believe in* the answers.

    We must also credit Plato for his "Allegory Of
    The Cave". He kinda left out the last paragraph,
    the required conclusion, perhaps intentionally
    remembering what happened to Socrates. It is very
    much like the Buddhist view.

    Buy yer discount human-colored glasses here ! :-)

    So tell me again about whose "truths" are THE TRUTH.
    Whose POV is THE POV.

    Review the term "realpolitk". Machiavelli explained
    in over a couple of volumes, but Kissinger sometimes
    lets the cat out of the bag as well. Realpolitik
    is what makes the world go 'round. The rest is
    BS and posturing and best-wishes.

    Face it - we mostly just have to WING IT 24/7/365.
    Individual, sometimes group, personality factors kinda
    determine whether the results are (human) "good" or
    (human) "bad". Feel it out and pick a side.

    And that's the surreal state of things. Maybe Dali
    saw it right(er) :-)

    Or did I go too deep here ... were you just looking
    for a fascist/commie, black/white, lefty/righty,
    holy/unholy flaming rant ??? I'll leave that
    ultra-dumbed-down stuff to the M$M .....


    bliss - Dell Precision E7730- PCLinuxOS 64- Linux 6.5.9- Plasma 5.27.8

    PCLinuxOS is just fine ... but they should have found
    a snappier name :-)

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