• Re: California's Newsom vetoes bill that would have allowed legal drug

    From Klaus Schadenfreude@21:1/5 to bliss@mouse-potato.com on Tue Aug 23 08:35:29 2022
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    On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:16:23 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 8/23/22 00:25, zinn wrote:
    California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Monday vetoed a bill that would have
    allowed major cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco to set up
    facilities where people could consume drugs under supervision.


    Newsom should contract with the Chinese to provide free Fentanyl to
    anyone that wants it, and as much as they want. Then ship their bodies
    to the Puente Hills Landfill.

    Homeless problem solved.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to zinn on Tue Aug 23 08:16:23 2022
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    On 8/23/22 00:25, zinn wrote:
    California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Monday vetoed a bill that would have
    allowed major cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco to set up
    facilities where people could consume drugs under supervision.

    Explaining his reason, the Democratic governor said the unlimited number
    of safe injection sites that SB 57 would authorize "could induce a world
    of unintended consequences."

    Newsom conceded such facilities would be helpful but worried that "if done without a strong plan, they could work against this purpose. ... Worsening drug consumption challenges in these areas is not a risk we can take."

    Proponents wanted to give people who already use drugs a place to inject
    them while trained staff stand by to help if they suffer accidental overdoses. But opponents argued that the move would in effect have
    condoned the use of dangerous drugs.

    MOTHERS WHO LOST CHILDREN TO FENTANYL POISONINGS DEMAND ACTION ON DRUG CRISIS: ‘MOST SERIOUS ISSUE' US FACES

    State Sen. Scott Wiener, a Democrat from San Francisco who authored the
    bill, called Newsom’s veto "tragic" and "a huge lost opportunity."

    "Sad day for CA’s fight against overdose deaths," Wiener said in a statement.


    San Francisco Mayor London Breed also called Newsom’s veto "disappointing" but vowed "we aren’t giving up."

    "Overdose prevention programs save lives and help connect people to
    treatment and services," she tweeted.

    WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCES FUNDING FOR YOUTH SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAMS TO TACKLE 'OVERDOSE EPIDEMIC'

    The veto left Republican leaders in the Legislature in the rare position
    of praising Newsom, a Democrat.

    "People struggling with addiction need help, not a legal place to shoot
    up," said Senate GOP Leader Scott Wilk, whose members had urged a veto in
    a letter to Newsom.

    "We need to stop enabling criminal acts," added Assembly Republican Leader James Gallagher, who had sent his own letter. "Instead, we should promote policies that will empower people to safely get off the streets and reintegrate into our communities."

    FATHER OF SON LOST TO FENTANYL: 'UNBELIEVABLE' SEIZURES OF ILLICIT DRUGS
    AT SOUTHERN BORDER

    Tracy McCray, president of the San Francisco Police Officers Association, also praised Newsom for blocking what she said would have been "sanctioned drug dens ... creating misery and chaos for the residents and businesses forced to be next to these sites."

    SB 57 was one of the most watched and most controversial measures of this legislative session. The proposal came amid a spike in overdose deaths
    amid a national opioid crisis.

    Newsom had previously said he was open to the idea. But his decision comes
    as he faces increased national scrutiny as he is perceived as a possible presidential contender, though he has frequently denied any interest in running.

    Newsom ordered his secretary of Health and Human Services to meet with
    city and county officials to discuss standards and best practices, and
    said he remains open to the concept once they come back to lawmakers with recommendations for how the sites could be run safely.

    Nationwide, drug overdose deaths increased 28.5% to more than 100,000
    during the 12-month period ending in April 2021 over the same period a
    year earlier, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, including about 10,000 Californians.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/californias-newsom-vetoes-bill-would- have-allowed-legal-drug-injection-sites

    This injection site bill is wrongly framed as giving illegal drugs to the users. It should use legal drugs like morphine, to soothe the
    withdrawal pains that lead people to seek out illegal drugs which
    cannot be properly measured therefore cannot be used safely.
    Fentanyl can be legally given in certain condition and
    circumstance. I may have been given it years ago as a general
    anesthetic for surgery. But the dose of legal Fentanyl can
    be safely determined by the manufacturer.
    Illegal Fentanyl is a matter of rough dilution of the
    very powerful drug with other white powders. It is incredibly
    dangerous as it is a powerful respiratory depressant. That
    means it suppresses the natural breathing reflex.

    I don't know if they intend to use measured doses of
    injectable stimulants.

    bliss the retired nurse

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  • From governor.swill@gmail.com@21:1/5 to bliss@mouse-potato.com on Tue Aug 23 18:13:51 2022
    XPost: ca.politics, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: sac.politics

    On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:16:23 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 8/23/22 00:25, zinn wrote:
    California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Monday vetoed a bill that would have
    allowed major cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco to set up
    facilities where people could consume drugs under supervision.

    Explaining his reason, the Democratic governor said the unlimited number
    of safe injection sites that SB 57 would authorize "could induce a world
    of unintended consequences."

    Newsom conceded such facilities would be helpful but worried that "if done >> without a strong plan, they could work against this purpose. ... Worsening >> drug consumption challenges in these areas is not a risk we can take."

    Proponents wanted to give people who already use drugs a place to inject
    them while trained staff stand by to help if they suffer accidental
    overdoses. But opponents argued that the move would in effect have
    condoned the use of dangerous drugs.

    MOTHERS WHO LOST CHILDREN TO FENTANYL POISONINGS DEMAND ACTION ON DRUG
    CRISIS: ‘MOST SERIOUS ISSUE' US FACES

    State Sen. Scott Wiener, a Democrat from San Francisco who authored the
    bill, called Newsom’s veto "tragic" and "a huge lost opportunity."

    "Sad day for CA’s fight against overdose deaths," Wiener said in a
    statement.


    San Francisco Mayor London Breed also called Newsom’s veto "disappointing" >> but vowed "we aren’t giving up."

    "Overdose prevention programs save lives and help connect people to
    treatment and services," she tweeted.

    WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCES FUNDING FOR YOUTH SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAMS TO TACKLE >> 'OVERDOSE EPIDEMIC'

    The veto left Republican leaders in the Legislature in the rare position
    of praising Newsom, a Democrat.

    "People struggling with addiction need help, not a legal place to shoot
    up," said Senate GOP Leader Scott Wilk, whose members had urged a veto in
    a letter to Newsom.

    "We need to stop enabling criminal acts," added Assembly Republican Leader >> James Gallagher, who had sent his own letter. "Instead, we should promote
    policies that will empower people to safely get off the streets and
    reintegrate into our communities."

    FATHER OF SON LOST TO FENTANYL: 'UNBELIEVABLE' SEIZURES OF ILLICIT DRUGS
    AT SOUTHERN BORDER

    Tracy McCray, president of the San Francisco Police Officers Association,
    also praised Newsom for blocking what she said would have been "sanctioned >> drug dens ... creating misery and chaos for the residents and businesses
    forced to be next to these sites."

    SB 57 was one of the most watched and most controversial measures of this
    legislative session. The proposal came amid a spike in overdose deaths
    amid a national opioid crisis.

    Newsom had previously said he was open to the idea. But his decision comes >> as he faces increased national scrutiny as he is perceived as a possible
    presidential contender, though he has frequently denied any interest in
    running.

    Newsom ordered his secretary of Health and Human Services to meet with
    city and county officials to discuss standards and best practices, and
    said he remains open to the concept once they come back to lawmakers with
    recommendations for how the sites could be run safely.

    Nationwide, drug overdose deaths increased 28.5% to more than 100,000
    during the 12-month period ending in April 2021 over the same period a
    year earlier, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
    Prevention, including about 10,000 Californians.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/californias-newsom-vetoes-bill-would-
    have-allowed-legal-drug-injection-sites

    This injection site bill is wrongly framed as giving illegal drugs to
    the users. It should use legal drugs like morphine, to soothe the
    withdrawal pains that lead people to seek out illegal drugs which
    cannot be properly measured therefore cannot be used safely.

    Morphine is addictive and so would be a poor choice. Can you say
    'methadone'?

    Fentanyl can be legally given in certain condition and
    circumstance. I may have been given it years ago as a general
    anesthetic for surgery. But the dose of legal Fentanyl can
    be safely determined by the manufacturer.

    Fentanyl is an anesthetic. The one that killed Michael Jackson iirc.

    Illegal Fentanyl is a matter of rough dilution of the
    very powerful drug with other white powders. It is incredibly
    dangerous as it is a powerful respiratory depressant. That
    means it suppresses the natural breathing reflex.

    As do barbituates and other "downers".

    I don't know if they intend to use measured doses of
    injectable stimulants.

    bliss the retired nurse

    I just don't see the value in supervising drug addiction. Perhaps it
    could proved opportunities for rehab but we already have those.

    Swill
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Wed Aug 24 08:17:16 2022
    On 8/23/22 15:13, governor.swill@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:16:23 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 8/23/22 00:25, zinn wrote:
    California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Monday vetoed a bill that would have
    allowed major cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco to set up
    facilities where people could consume drugs under supervision.

    Explaining his reason, the Democratic governor said the unlimited number >>> of safe injection sites that SB 57 would authorize "could induce a world >>> of unintended consequences."

    Newsom conceded such facilities would be helpful but worried that "if done >>> without a strong plan, they could work against this purpose. ... Worsening >>> drug consumption challenges in these areas is not a risk we can take."

    Proponents wanted to give people who already use drugs a place to inject >>> them while trained staff stand by to help if they suffer accidental
    overdoses. But opponents argued that the move would in effect have
    condoned the use of dangerous drugs.

    MOTHERS WHO LOST CHILDREN TO FENTANYL POISONINGS DEMAND ACTION ON DRUG
    CRISIS: ‘MOST SERIOUS ISSUE' US FACES

    State Sen. Scott Wiener, a Democrat from San Francisco who authored the
    bill, called Newsom’s veto "tragic" and "a huge lost opportunity."

    "Sad day for CA’s fight against overdose deaths," Wiener said in a
    statement.


    San Francisco Mayor London Breed also called Newsom’s veto "disappointing"
    but vowed "we aren’t giving up."

    "Overdose prevention programs save lives and help connect people to
    treatment and services," she tweeted.

    WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCES FUNDING FOR YOUTH SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAMS TO TACKLE >>> 'OVERDOSE EPIDEMIC'

    The veto left Republican leaders in the Legislature in the rare position >>> of praising Newsom, a Democrat.

    "People struggling with addiction need help, not a legal place to shoot
    up," said Senate GOP Leader Scott Wilk, whose members had urged a veto in >>> a letter to Newsom.

    "We need to stop enabling criminal acts," added Assembly Republican Leader >>> James Gallagher, who had sent his own letter. "Instead, we should promote >>> policies that will empower people to safely get off the streets and
    reintegrate into our communities."

    Really the point is that Drug Addiction to the Opiates before
    the Harrison Narcotics Act of 1916 there were lots of morphine addicts
    They were doctors, lawyers, ex-Civil War 1.0 veterans addicted by the
    military after suffering wounds in that war. They would all go around
    to their doctor's office to get their shots and then go back and do
    their work if not retired.
    Republicans cut the funds for the sort of programs he has talked
    about over and over again, just like they cut the funds for Mental
    Health care.

    The Harrison Narcotics Act was an early drug prohibition program
    and after 106 years is as failed as the Prohibition on Alcohol or the
    Hemp Tax Act. All they have done is remove useful medications from the pharmacy and put it in the hands of criminals. The HNA should be like
    the other prohibition laws and called what is Price Support for the
    Drug Cartels.



    FATHER OF SON LOST TO FENTANYL: 'UNBELIEVABLE' SEIZURES OF ILLICIT DRUGS >>> AT SOUTHERN BORDER

    Tracy McCray, president of the San Francisco Police Officers Association, >>> also praised Newsom for blocking what she said would have been "sanctioned >>> drug dens ... creating misery and chaos for the residents and businesses >>> forced to be next to these sites."

    SB 57 was one of the most watched and most controversial measures of this >>> legislative session. The proposal came amid a spike in overdose deaths
    amid a national opioid crisis.

    Newsom had previously said he was open to the idea. But his decision comes >>> as he faces increased national scrutiny as he is perceived as a possible >>> presidential contender, though he has frequently denied any interest in
    running.

    Newsom ordered his secretary of Health and Human Services to meet with
    city and county officials to discuss standards and best practices, and
    said he remains open to the concept once they come back to lawmakers with >>> recommendations for how the sites could be run safely.

    Nationwide, drug overdose deaths increased 28.5% to more than 100,000
    during the 12-month period ending in April 2021 over the same period a
    year earlier, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
    Prevention, including about 10,000 Californians.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/californias-newsom-vetoes-bill-would-
    have-allowed-legal-drug-injection-sites

    This injection site bill is wrongly framed as giving illegal drugs to >> the users. It should use legal drugs like morphine, to soothe the
    withdrawal pains that lead people to seek out illegal drugs which
    cannot be properly measured therefore cannot be used safely.

    Morphine is addictive and so would be a poor choice. Can you say 'methadone'?

    No Methadone comes later. The point is to give the user a relief from craving.

    Fentanyl can be legally given in certain condition and
    circumstance. I may have been given it years ago as a general
    anesthetic for surgery. But the dose of legal Fentanyl can
    be safely determined by the manufacturer.

    Fentanyl is an anesthetic. The one that killed Michael Jackson iirc.

    On June 25, 2009, American singer Michael Jackson died of acute propofol
    and benzodiazepine intoxication at his home on North Carolwood Drive in
    the Holmby Hills neighborhood of Los Angeles, California. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson>



    Illegal Fentanyl is a matter of rough dilution of the
    very powerful drug with other white powders. It is incredibly
    dangerous as it is a powerful respiratory depressant. That
    means it suppresses the natural breathing reflex.

    As do barbituates and other "downers".

    Including alcohol, but Fentanyl is many times more
    powerful in not only pain relief but respiratory depression.

    I don't know if they intend to use measured doses of
    injectable stimulants.

    bliss the retired nurse

    I just don't see the value in supervising drug addiction. Perhaps it
    could proved opportunities for rehab but we already have those.

    Swill

    That is because you don't live on streets often crowded with inert bodies and addicts who openly display to all passers-by their injection techniques.
    This is not good for children to be seeing.
    But the point is to keep the Drug user as healthy as possible
    until they want to quit using the drug.

    Oh and not all are homeless. The homeless are just the most visible part of the problem.

    bliss the retired nurse

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