• And so it begins....

    From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to Byker on Sun Jun 19 16:50:17 2016
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, soc.culture.usa
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 22:45:27 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "Frank" wrote in message news:njq0k7$olh$1@dont-email.me...

    Similar to the heroin problem where current solution is to get out more OD >> kits.

    Why don't they just sell methadone over-the-counter...

    People get high on methadone. Unfortunately they
    also get very dead on methadone. Janis Joplin
    reportedly OD'd on it amongst other notables. The
    problem is that the dosage range that gets you high
    isn't all that far off from the dosage that kills. Heroin
    is actually safer in that respect. Fentanyl is another
    narrow-range narcotic ... which nailed Prince.

    Time to just end the 'drug war'. X-percent are gonna
    be stonies pretty much no matter what and that's that.
    No point in funding huge crime organizations, corrupting
    cops and officials, funding the companies that provide
    expensive drug-war-fighting stuff. No point in turning
    stonies into criminals who have to skulk in the darkest
    corners of society while the drunks are free to stumble
    down the street to the nearest bar. No point in fueling
    street-level gangs that massacre each other and anyone
    who gets in the way like it was the 1920s. No point in
    corrupting constitutional protections of due process,
    evidence-gathering and rational sentencing either.

    There are also some annoying cultural/racial/class bias
    issues involved that shouldn't exist.

    Most stonies CAN do stuff ... even if it's just working
    at the Circle-K ... but the current environment makes
    that almost impossible, leaving them nothing but a
    life of crime to survive on.

    So just DROP the damned drug war. Clean dope in
    measured strengths for realistic prices ... and 99%
    of the "drug problem" and its ludicrous, pointless,
    expense will just disappear. Tax on the sales can go
    to programs for people who get tired of being stonies.

    So who's FOR the drug war ? Corrupt cops and pols
    and mind-everybodys-business neo-puritans For
    everyone else the negatives greatly exceed any benifits.

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  • From Fight for America!@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 11:40:02 2016
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, soc.culture.usa
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On 6/20/2016 9:45 AM, Governor Swill is a paid Dem operative from
    Hotlanta who lives in gay coven.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 09:53:14 2016
    On 06/20/2016 08:45 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

    to the following newsgroups, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
    alt.politics.republicans, soc.culture.usa
    and talk.politics.misc which I trimmed and mention
    here as evidence of the trolling intent.

    On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 16:50:17 -0400, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 22:45:27 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "Frank" wrote in message news:njq0k7$olh$1@dont-email.me...

    Similar to the heroin problem where current solution is to get out more OD >>>> kits.

    Why don't they just sell methadone over-the-counter...

    People get high on methadone. Unfortunately they
    also get very dead on methadone. Janis Joplin
    reportedly OD'd on it amongst other notables.

    She od'd on heroin.

    that is how I recall it, but she, like a friend of mine,
    may have been on methadone and booze as well. This killed my
    friend as well. That is a deadly combination as the suppression
    of the breathing reflex is multiplied
    If you want more data try "Season of the Witch" by David Talbot
    which is about the people who changed San Francisco and the
    people who tried to resist change.


    The
    problem is that the dosage range that gets you high
    isn't all that far off from the dosage that kills. Heroin
    is actually safer in that respect. Fentanyl is another
    narrow-range narcotic ... which nailed Prince.

    Time to just end the 'drug war'. X-percent are gonna
    be stonies pretty much no matter what and that's that.
    No point in funding huge crime organizations, corrupting
    cops and officials, funding the companies that provide
    expensive drug-war-fighting stuff. No point in turning
    stonies into criminals who have to skulk in the darkest
    corners of society while the drunks are free to stumble
    down the street to the nearest bar. No point in fueling
    street-level gangs that massacre each other and anyone
    who gets in the way like it was the 1920s. No point in
    corrupting constitutional protections of due process,
    evidence-gathering and rational sentencing either.

    There are also some annoying cultural/racial/class bias
    issues involved that shouldn't exist.

    The War on Cannabis started with 1937s Hemp Tax Act
    which gave the old Bureau of Narcotics work after the repeal
    of Alcohol Prohibition. Racist and sexist arguments were
    used with the then Democratic majorities in the House and
    Senate. Roosevelt never read the bill he signed assured that
    it had to to with a narcotic drug. In case you don't know
    the old Democratic Party prior to the Warren Court's overturn
    of the Separate but Equal segregation system, was the party of
    the South. The current Republican party accepted the
    segregationists back in the 1960s. The Democrats reorganized
    themselves with Northern Liberals, minority strivers and labor
    and anyone else who could not go with a party that supported
    actors and plutocrats.

    The real problem is our drug orientated society. Americans are by far
    the biggest users of prescription meds in general and opioids in
    particular. This modern heroin epidemic isn't driven by "stonies" who
    just want to get high, it's driven by pain patients whose
    prescriptions have been cut off and resort to black market opioids. Eventually they get to heroin - the mother of all opioids

    Heroin is the child of the war on drugs. Bayer developed it as
    a cough suppressant. All the scientists on the project tried it out on themselves and the rest of their families. No problems were seen.
    Previous to the hysterical WOD you could buy Elixir of Terpin
    Hydrate with Codeine and this saved peoples lives by keeping them
    from dying of exhaustion with coughing.
    Heroin entered the illegal drug trade because it was very compact and much easier for the smuggling.


    As for Americans being drug-oriented of course it is but what is the problem? We are pushed to drink coffee(caffeine) and allowed still to
    smoke tobacco to stay awake. Alcohol was pushed for years
    as necessary to relaxation and still is if you look at a show like
    "Blue Bloods" where everyone of age partakes of whiskey on a regular
    basis in the show. I read Cannabis Culture, a free on paper magazine,
    here in the SFBA and it promotes the use of cannabis in the strange
    new forms of wax and so forth which I think is a bad idea for medical
    cannabis. All of the drugs except cannabis have been with us since
    the beginnings of the nation in the old colonial system.
    The Puritans drank to suppress sanity and sexual urges. Also
    they did not know about germ theory and the cause of illness so
    rum was diluted to "purify" water. Same for beer.


    Most stonies CAN do stuff ... even if it's just working
    at the Circle-K ... but the current environment makes
    that almost impossible, leaving them nothing but a
    life of crime to survive on.

    So just DROP the damned drug war. Clean dope in
    measured strengths for realistic prices ... and 99%
    of the "drug problem" and its ludicrous, pointless,
    expense will just disappear. Tax on the sales can go
    to programs for people who get tired of being stonies.

    So who's FOR the drug war ? Corrupt cops and pols
    and mind-everybodys-business neo-puritans For
    everyone else the negatives greatly exceed any benifits.

    I agree with your assessment of the drug war - it certainly has failed miserably - but there are real problems with simply selling dope over
    the counter. For one thing, the number of users would jump sharply.
    Opioid addiction would skyrocket.

    Evidenciary Studies??
    Why do you think it would skyrocket? Love of constipation?

    Our best long term solution is to learn to treat pain and illness
    without addictive medications.

    Swill

    Your opinions certainly resemble the swill dished out by the
    agencies that promote the War On Some Drugs.
    We treat pain with appropriate substances whether cannabinoid
    or opoid or electronic such as TENS or liniment. Addiction is a quality
    of the personality where the addict looks outside themselves to seek
    relief of discomfort, physical or emotional.

    Sometimes opiates are the best treatment despite their problems
    and sometimes an aspirin or phenacetin is the best treatment. Never take
    more than you need. Both Aspirin and Phenacetin are poisonous in large
    doses and aspirin causes death more often than many other legal drugs.

    bliss

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 11:45:55 2016
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, soc.culture.usa
    XPost: talk.politics.misc

    On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 16:50:17 -0400, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 22:45:27 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "Frank" wrote in message news:njq0k7$olh$1@dont-email.me...

    Similar to the heroin problem where current solution is to get out more OD >>> kits.

    Why don't they just sell methadone over-the-counter...

    People get high on methadone. Unfortunately they
    also get very dead on methadone. Janis Joplin
    reportedly OD'd on it amongst other notables.

    She od'd on heroin.

    The
    problem is that the dosage range that gets you high
    isn't all that far off from the dosage that kills. Heroin
    is actually safer in that respect. Fentanyl is another
    narrow-range narcotic ... which nailed Prince.

    Time to just end the 'drug war'. X-percent are gonna
    be stonies pretty much no matter what and that's that.
    No point in funding huge crime organizations, corrupting
    cops and officials, funding the companies that provide
    expensive drug-war-fighting stuff. No point in turning
    stonies into criminals who have to skulk in the darkest
    corners of society while the drunks are free to stumble
    down the street to the nearest bar. No point in fueling
    street-level gangs that massacre each other and anyone
    who gets in the way like it was the 1920s. No point in
    corrupting constitutional protections of due process,
    evidence-gathering and rational sentencing either.

    There are also some annoying cultural/racial/class bias
    issues involved that shouldn't exist.

    The real problem is our drug orientated society. Americans are by far
    the biggest users of prescription meds in general and opioids in
    particular. This modern heroin epidemic isn't driven by "stonies" who
    just want to get high, it's driven by pain patients whose
    prescriptions have been cut off and resort to black market opioids.
    Eventually they get to heroin - the mother of all opioids

    Most stonies CAN do stuff ... even if it's just working
    at the Circle-K ... but the current environment makes
    that almost impossible, leaving them nothing but a
    life of crime to survive on.

    So just DROP the damned drug war. Clean dope in
    measured strengths for realistic prices ... and 99%
    of the "drug problem" and its ludicrous, pointless,
    expense will just disappear. Tax on the sales can go
    to programs for people who get tired of being stonies.

    So who's FOR the drug war ? Corrupt cops and pols
    and mind-everybodys-business neo-puritans For
    everyone else the negatives greatly exceed any benifits.

    I agree with your assessment of the drug war - it certainly has failed miserably - but there are real problems with simply selling dope over
    the counter. For one thing, the number of users would jump sharply.
    Opioid addiction would skyrocket.

    Our best long term solution is to learn to treat pain and illness
    without addictive medications.

    Swill
    --
    S. E. Cupp has characterized Trump as wearing the Republican party
    like a rented tuxedo. When the prom is over, it's going to end up on
    the floor with the liquor stains and cigarette butts.

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  • From Ferd@21:1/5 to fight@damn.you on Tue Jun 21 18:37:44 2016
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans XPost: soc.culture.usa

    Fight for America! <fight@damn.you> wrote:
    On 6/20/2016 9:45 AM, Governor Swill is a paid Dem operative from
    Hotlanta who lives in gay coven.


    What are you, his roommate?

    --
    Nothing more fun than fucking with a right winger

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  • From Ferd@21:1/5 to nowhere@nada.net on Tue Jun 21 18:36:12 2016
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans XPost: soc.culture.usa

    Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 22:45:27 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "Frank" wrote in message news:njq0k7$olh$1@dont-email.me...

    Similar to the heroin problem where current solution is to get out more OD >>> kits.

    Why don't they just sell methadone over-the-counter...

    People get high on methadone. Unfortunately they
    also get very dead on methadone. Janis Joplin
    reportedly OD'd on it amongst other notables. The
    problem is that the dosage range that gets you high
    isn't all that far off from the dosage that kills. Heroin
    is actually safer in that respect. Fentanyl is another
    narrow-range narcotic ... which nailed Prince.

    Time to just end the 'drug war'. X-percent are gonna
    be stonies pretty much no matter what and that's that.
    No point in funding huge crime organizations, corrupting
    cops and officials, funding the companies that provide
    expensive drug-war-fighting stuff. No point in turning
    stonies into criminals who have to skulk in the darkest
    corners of society while the drunks are free to stumble
    down the street to the nearest bar. No point in fueling
    street-level gangs that massacre each other and anyone
    who gets in the way like it was the 1920s. No point in
    corrupting constitutional protections of due process,
    evidence-gathering and rational sentencing either.

    There are also some annoying cultural/racial/class bias
    issues involved that shouldn't exist.

    Most stonies CAN do stuff ... even if it's just working
    at the Circle-K ... but the current environment makes
    that almost impossible, leaving them nothing but a
    life of crime to survive on.

    So just DROP the damned drug war. Clean dope in
    measured strengths for realistic prices ... and 99%
    of the "drug problem" and its ludicrous, pointless,
    expense will just disappear. Tax on the sales can go
    to programs for people who get tired of being stonies.

    So who's FOR the drug war ? Corrupt cops and pols
    and mind-everybodys-business neo-puritans For
    everyone else the negatives greatly exceed any benifits.



    Amen to all of that. Legalize, regulate and tax all of it. If people could
    get it legally through a licensed physician, they wouldn't have to go to
    some asshole on the street who's just trying to raise money for his own
    drugs. People's lives are being ruined for no other reason than they had a
    weak moment at some point. What's the difference between the drunk and the opioid addict when they both pass out in a park? The real answer is,
    nothing. But the opioid addict gets a felony conviction and can't get a job while the drunk gets a pat on the back from his friends.

    --
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  • From Fight for America!@21:1/5 to Ferd on Tue Jun 21 12:56:10 2016
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans XPost: soc.culture.usa

    On 6/21/2016 12:37 PM, Ferd wrote:
    Fight for America! <fight@damn.you> wrote:
    On 6/20/2016 9:45 AM, Governor Swill is a paid Dem operative from
    Hotlanta who lives in gay coven.


    What are you, his roommate?


    No, I'm the truth detector, deal.

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  • From Fight for America!@21:1/5 to Ferd on Tue Jun 21 12:57:30 2016
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans XPost: soc.culture.usa

    On 6/21/2016 12:36 PM, Ferd wrote:
    --
    Nothing more fun than fucking with a right winger


    With a .sig line like that you are instantly tuned out.

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Ferd on Wed Jun 22 00:04:08 2016
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans XPost: soc.culture.usa

    On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:37:44 -0000 (UTC), Ferd wrote:
    Fight for America! <fight@damn.you> wrote:
    On 6/20/2016 9:45 AM, Governor Swill is a paid Dem operative from
    Hotlanta who lives in gay coven.


    What are you, his roommate?

    He's my cocksucker. He follows me wherever I go.

    Swill
    --
    S. E. Cupp has characterized Trump as wearing the Republican party
    like a rented tuxedo. When the prom is over, it's going to end up on
    the floor with the liquor stains and cigarette butts.

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 22 00:04:46 2016
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans XPost: soc.culture.usa

    On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:36:12 -0000 (UTC), Ferd <RWMaroon456@post.com>
    wrote:

    Amen to all of that. Legalize, regulate and tax all of it. If people could >get it legally through a licensed physician, they wouldn't have to go to
    some asshole on the street who's just trying to raise money for his own >drugs. People's lives are being ruined for no other reason than they had a >weak moment at some point. What's the difference between the drunk and the >opioid addict when they both pass out in a park? The real answer is,
    nothing. But the opioid addict gets a felony conviction and can't get a job >while the drunk gets a pat on the back from his friends.

    *applause*

    Swill
    --
    S. E. Cupp has characterized Trump as wearing the Republican party
    like a rented tuxedo. When the prom is over, it's going to end up on
    the floor with the liquor stains and cigarette butts.

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