• Tubby Ready to Kill Drug Dealers Over Opioid Crisis and Make YouSuf

    From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to buzzsaw01@aol.com on Mon Mar 19 16:00:31 2018
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:50:52 +0000 (UTC), "Buzzsaw Checkerling" <buzzsaw01@aol.com> wrote:

    That dumb Canuck nym'ed "wy" wrote:

    The opioid crisis isn't related to drug cartels or street dealers,
    but to pharmaceutical companies pushing the opioids they manufacture
    and doctors overprescribing what their patients need, often to
    legitimately relieve their pain.

    My God in Heaven, how stupid!!!

    The "Opioid crisis" is multifaceted. That's to say that every one of
    the actors that stupid "wy" named IS involved.

    But, the "crisis" is that the folks who are dying are from the suburbs
    and from the country and mostly White - and are purchasing the drugs
    that are killing them NOT from pharmaceutical companies or from doctors.

    Just like it's always been (go to Harlem for proof), it's the street
    corner drug dealer. The deaths (mostly) come from Heroin.

    Street corner drug dealers are selling dope that is killing kids.
    What's the problem with "an eye for an eye"?

    As has been proven many (too many) times in the past, "wy" hasn't a
    clue as to what he's babbling about.

    Same as it ever was.


    We've already had a recent ("ongoing" actually) example
    of such thinking in the Phillipines. This goes WAY beyond
    trials and sentencing ... the cops have been authorized to
    just shoot anyone they think is a dealer right on the spot.
    "Street judges", so to speak.

    Drug use down ? Nope. Drug gangs gone ? Nope.

    People WILL have their buzz - period. If the situation makes
    stealing and killing and corruption necessary, they'll do it.
    That's how it is.

    Iran has tried something similar .. the ex-prez bragged that
    there were no junkies (or homosexuals) in Iran. Giant joke.

    "Drug wars" aren't ABOUT drugs actually ... they're about
    money and power and excuses to ultramicromanage.
    Anyone who wants drugs WILL be able to get them
    regardless - and certain pols and cops will pocket their
    percentage of THAT as well.

    Unfortunately, in countries contaminated by puritanism, do
    not expect such "wars" to end. Enough of the gullible public
    WILL support them - so long as it's not THEIR favorite
    poison anyway - and the leadership itself loves that extra
    money and power so IT won't be ending the 'wars' on
    its own fer sure. We've seen a FEW states legalize weed,
    but only a few. The Feds ain't interested and still threaten
    to enforce the federal drug laws.

    As for the "opiate crisis" ... remember when it was just
    an "opiate annoyance" - a couple ODs a week at yer
    local hospital ? Then Obamas drug warriors decided
    to fix it ... made it a lot harder to get those nice clean
    measured pharmas - and, predictably, everybody just
    drove to their friendly corner heroin dealers place
    instead of the pharmacy. THEN we had a fuckin'
    "crisis" - ten times the ODs. The dealers couldn't
    import heroin fast enough, so they started cutting
    it with fentanyl ..............

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 19 14:21:07 2018
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    On 03/19/2018 01:00 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:50:52 +0000 (UTC), "Buzzsaw Checkerling" <buzzsaw01@aol.com> wrote:

    That dumb Canuck nym'ed "wy" wrote:

    The opioid crisis isn't related to drug cartels or street dealers,
    but to pharmaceutical companies pushing the opioids they manufacture
    and doctors overprescribing what their patients need, often to
    legitimately relieve their pain.

    My God in Heaven, how stupid!!!

    The "Opioid crisis" is multifaceted. That's to say that every one of
    the actors that stupid "wy" named IS involved.

    But, the "crisis" is that the folks who are dying are from the suburbs
    and from the country and mostly White - and are purchasing the drugs
    that are killing them NOT from pharmaceutical companies or from doctors.

    Just like it's always been (go to Harlem for proof), it's the street
    corner drug dealer. The deaths (mostly) come from Heroin.

    Heroin with added fentanyl and carfentanil.

    Street corner drug dealers are selling dope that is killing kids.
    What's the problem with "an eye for an eye"?

    Makes both sides blind.

    As has been proven many (too many) times in the past, "wy" hasn't a
    clue as to what he's babbling about.

    Same as it ever was.


    We've already had a recent ("ongoing" actually) example
    of such thinking in the Phillipines. This goes WAY beyond
    trials and sentencing ... the cops have been authorized to
    just shoot anyone they think is a dealer right on the spot.
    "Street judges", so to speak.

    Drug use down ? Nope. Drug gangs gone ? Nope.

    People WILL have their buzz - period. If the situation makes
    stealing and killing and corruption necessary, they'll do it.
    That's how it is.

    Iran has tried something similar .. the ex-prez bragged that
    there were no junkies (or homosexuals) in Iran. Giant joke.

    "Drug wars" aren't ABOUT drugs actually ... they're about
    money and power and excuses to ultramicromanage.

    Control is the drug the bureaucrats are hooked on.
    They always thing the next fix will be the one that gives
    them the control over other people that they must have to
    be assured of their own value.

    Anyone who wants drugs WILL be able to get them
    regardless - and certain pols and cops will pocket their
    percentage of THAT as well.

    We have by means of the so-called War on Drugs corrupted
    the police, the judiciary and the elected officials of the USA.
    Any group in favor of the tighter controls is possibly being
    financed by those who wish higher prices for the stuff they
    send to our streets to be sold to the ignorant and foolish.


    Unfortunately, in countries contaminated by puritanism, do
    not expect such "wars" to end. Enough of the gullible public
    WILL support them - so long as it's not THEIR favorite
    poison anyway - and the leadership itself loves that extra
    money and power so IT won't be ending the 'wars' on
    its own fer sure. We've seen a FEW states legalize weed,
    but only a few. The Feds ain't interested and still threaten
    to enforce the federal drug laws.

    And in California the price of medical cannabis has doubled
    with the regulations imposed by the legislature on all cannabis
    since legalization for recreational use. Plus packaging regulation
    will generate tons of un-recyclable multi-layer pouches of plastic.


    As for the "opiate crisis" ... remember when it was just
    an "opiate annoyance" - a couple ODs a week at yer
    local hospital ? Then Obamas drug warriors decided
    to fix it ... made it a lot harder to get those nice clean
    measured pharmas - and, predictably, everybody just
    drove to their friendly corner heroin dealers place
    instead of the pharmacy. THEN we had a fuckin'
    "crisis" - ten times the ODs. The dealers couldn't
    import heroin fast enough, so they started cutting
    it with fentanyl ..............

    That is not the worst. Carfentanil is the strongest
    opiate analog produced.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil>
    I wish I could re-find the illustration I lately saw
    of three vials one with heroin, another with fentanyl and
    finally Carfentanil. The heroin was maybe an eighth of
    a teaspoonful, the fentanyl did not cover the bottom of the
    vial, but the Carfentanil was only a speck or two on the bottom
    of the vial.
    All these kill by the same mechanism in overdose by
    shutting down the centers of your CNS that control respiration.
    In combination with alcohol the deadliness of all are increased
    and alcohol kills in acute alcohol poisoning by the same
    mechanism.

    Generally Anti-Drug warriors pick the worst ways to
    control drugs and increase usage and overdose deaths.
    Obama was a good President but he had no idea beyond those
    fed him by the DEA and Trump is a bad man with no idea
    that his actions will increase the profits of the
    criminal entrepreneurs.

    Down with Prohibition! Up with control of doses by
    legal regulations.

    bliss - retired nurse in San Francisco

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  • From M.I.Wakefield@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Mon Mar 19 17:27:26 2018
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    "Bobbie Sellers" wrote in message news:p8p9k5$sgn$1@dont-email.me...

    Generally Anti-Drug warriors pick the worst ways to control drugs and increase usage and overdose deaths. Obama was a good President but he had
    no idea beyond those fed him by the DEA and Trump is a bad man with no
    idea that his actions will increase the profits of the criminal entrepreneurs.

    Down with Prohibition! Up with control of doses by legal regulations.

    bliss - retired nurse in San Francisco

    The only people who should get more than one or two days worth of opioid
    pain killers are people who are dying.

    Step one to a solution is to stop creating new addicts.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to M.I.Wakefield on Mon Mar 19 14:37:14 2018
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    On 03/19/2018 02:27 PM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
    "Bobbie Sellers"  wrote in message news:p8p9k5$sgn$1@dont-email.me...

    Generally Anti-Drug warriors pick the worst ways to control drugs and
    increase usage and overdose deaths.  Obama was a good President but he
    had no idea beyond those fed him by the DEA and Trump is a bad man
    with no idea that his actions will increase the profits of the
    criminal entrepreneurs.

    Down with Prohibition!  Up with control of doses by legal regulations.

    bliss - retired nurse in San Francisco

    The only people who should get more than one or two days worth of opioid
    pain killers are people who are dying.

    Actually if you have not developed an "addictive"
    personality you can resist excessive use.

    Step one to a solution is to stop creating new addicts.

    But a frightful nuisance with a mobility problem
    and a lot of pain. A lot of people though resist the
    necessary training to avoid excessive use. Part of
    the decadence of modern society as opposed to the
    the decadence of pre-modern society. Pain is a
    a part of life and is very important as it tells you
    something is wrong. But pain alone is not a good
    reason to take something to stop feeling pain.

    bliss

    --
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  • From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to bliss@mouse-potato.com on Mon Mar 19 18:23:09 2018
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:37:14 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:


    On 03/19/2018 02:27 PM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:

    The only people who should get more than one or two days worth of opioid
    pain killers are people who are dying.

    Actually if you have not developed an "addictive"
    personality you can resist excessive use.

    Some will, some won't ... but the thing is that
    it doesn't MATTER all that much. Being a
    pill popper doesn't mean life is over - unless
    the govt conspires to MAKE it that way.

    But note the sadistic intent of Mr. Wakefields
    comments. So long as it's not HIM he's perfectly
    content to have millions suffer needlessly, often
    horribly. If he blows out his spine he'll change
    his tune quick - but in the meanwhile he's just
    another Purity Crusader willing, maybe eager,
    to crush the sinners.

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  • From Mr. B1ack@21:1/5 to bliss@mouse-potato.com on Mon Mar 19 18:16:06 2018
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:21:07 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    On 03/19/2018 01:00 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:


    As for the "opiate crisis" ... remember when it was just
    an "opiate annoyance" - a couple ODs a week at yer
    local hospital ? Then Obamas drug warriors decided
    to fix it ... made it a lot harder to get those nice clean
    measured pharmas - and, predictably, everybody just
    drove to their friendly corner heroin dealers place
    instead of the pharmacy. THEN we had a fuckin'
    "crisis" - ten times the ODs. The dealers couldn't
    import heroin fast enough, so they started cutting
    it with fentanyl ..............

    That is not the worst. Carfentanil is the strongest
    opiate analog produced.
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil>
    I wish I could re-find the illustration I lately saw
    of three vials one with heroin, another with fentanyl and
    finally Carfentanil. The heroin was maybe an eighth of
    a teaspoonful, the fentanyl did not cover the bottom of the
    vial, but the Carfentanil was only a speck or two on the bottom
    of the vial.

    Give the synthetic chemists a little while, they'll come
    up with something even stronger.

    Part of the problem is that the add-ins are SO potent
    that it's pretty much impossible for Joe Dealer to
    properly measure them. You need a sub-milligram
    balance - and they cost a lot of money. So, Joe
    just guesses. The suppliers wanna fit as much
    money into as little space as possible, so they
    don't pre-dilute their products to levels the dealers
    can cope with.

    That antagonists like Narcan work poorly with
    fentanyl and carfentanil just makes the issue worse.

    Real Soon Now, someone's gonna just genetically
    engineer some bacteria or something to produce
    opiates. It'll escape. This will mean big trouble.
    I could see engineering crabgrass to make THC,
    but the tech out there is tested mostly on bacteria
    so that's what we'll get. You could literally die from
    a dirty park bench .....

    All these kill by the same mechanism in overdose by
    shutting down the centers of your CNS that control respiration.
    In combination with alcohol the deadliness of all are increased
    and alcohol kills in acute alcohol poisoning by the same
    mechanism.

    Ya know, there ARE respiratory *stimulants*. It'd be
    smart to add those to the opiates. More customers
    would survive to buy another day.

    Generally Anti-Drug warriors pick the worst ways to
    control drugs and increase usage and overdose deaths.

    Well that's the problem, they think of themselves
    as "warriors", "crusaders". They have a hammer
    so everything looks like a nail to them. Collaterial
    damage - hey, it's a Great Crusade for Purity ...
    so who cares ?

    Obama was a good President but he had no idea beyond those
    fed him by the DEA and Trump is a bad man with no idea
    that his actions will increase the profits of the
    criminal entrepreneurs.

    Obama was NOT a good president - and I'm not
    a leftist. However there are sane conservatives
    and libertarians who can see exactly what's up
    with these 'drug wars' and don't like it one bit.

    Down with Prohibition! Up with control of doses by
    legal regulations.

    "Land of the Free" ought to MEAN something.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Mon Mar 19 18:04:21 2018
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics

    In article <p8p9k5$sgn$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

    But, the "crisis" is that the folks who are dying are from the suburbs
    and from the country and mostly White - and are purchasing the drugs
    that are killing them NOT from pharmaceutical companies or from doctors. >>
    Just like it's always been (go to Harlem for proof), it's the street
    corner drug dealer. The deaths (mostly) come from Heroin.

    Street corner drug dealers are selling dope that is killing kids.
    What's the problem with "an eye for an eye"?

    Makes both sides blind.

    This time it's white dudes and dudettes that are dropping dead. Politics makes easy to toss black folk in prison for years, but you can't get away with that white dudes. Especially if you're a tough on crime Republican: those white dudes
    are your voter base. So after many years states are now starting to treat this as a medical problem instead of a criminal problem. But it's hard for a politician to switch messages without betraying their hypocrisy.

    I see wingnuts are still try to blame blacks as those street corner 'urban' drug
    dealers. No doubt it's those pharmacies in Pigs Knuckle, Arkansas smuggling the drugs to street corners of Hicksville, West Virgina.

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