• 82,500 New Cases 7/13/2020, 100,000 New Cases 7/15, 150,000 New Cas

    From Intelligent Party@21:1/5 to Intelligent Party on Tue Jul 14 22:06:58 2020
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    On 7/13/2020 11:58 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
    50% Increase in New Cases, every 10 days.

    My unscientific, ad hoc (educated) guesstimation...


    The 150,000 could come much faster. This is up up and away.

    We know stay-at-home works.

    2,000 new cases per day in California before stay-at-home abandoned before 5/30.
    8,000 new cases per day in California now, in 6 weeks.

    We cannot continue stay-at-home without government money.

    Moving around = social distancing.

    It's sitting in one place, especially indoors, that gets someone infected with COVID.

    Work, commercial parties, restaurants, barber shops, nail salons, public transportation.

    Unless you "catch cold." Even at the gym, you MOVE AROUND while in it, compared
    to sitting at one place in a restaurant, at work, or at a party, breathing the
    virus in and out, in and out, in and out, in and out.

    Employee protections matter. You can't employee people to commit self-harm. Commerce is exploitation, but instead of prohibition, we proceed as follows.

    We deserve a forbearance on all old rent and debt, and $1,250 per month for every
    man woman and child. Or else we have to go socialist, figuring there will never
    be a vaccine, nor an eradication of COVID, and have no forbearance, and default on
    the properties now, and have $2,500 per month for every man woman and child, you
    can finance $200,000 in home equity, with 100% LTV, and no work documentation required for such loans, $1,250 per month. Eradication would require 3-4 months
    of no new cases per day. There has been no vaccine for HIV in 40 years, yet they
    have vaccines for the new flu frequently, how does the flu compare to coronavirus,
    study that.
    If there is never any vaccine nor eradication, we are loosing time waiting for
    either, and how long should we wait before going in a new direction? 1.5 years?
    That is 1.5 years lost. Should we not move in a new direction immediately? So
    $2,500 per month for every man, woman, and child. All employee protections are
    based on extreme discouragements, and advisements, NO GESTAPO LAWS, but work from
    home if you can. Make your own decisions. Coronavirus is never going away. ALL
    EMPLOYEE ADVISEMENTS. ALL CONSUMER ADVISEMENTS, likewise. Advertising, Marketing,
    Product Labeling, Advisement.

    Consumer protections matter.

    The minimum wage will be $2,500 per month after taxes additionally, and after you
    make a certain amount $60,000-$200,000+, you pay the $30,000 free money back. More
    than a flat tax, a flat amount. Also at a certain point we have a 75% Federal
    sales tax, to encourage everyone to hold the capital. 70% wouldn't do that. But
    80% would make them maybe not care enough about their capital. The $2,500 will
    vary across the nation, by the County, and be 65% per capita GDP of the county,
    both for the free money from the government, and for the minimum wage.

    The $1,250 or $2,500 shall be sent in T-Bills or Bonds. If the bonds aren't converted cash, there is no effect. So, for people without bank accounts, we will
    have to send registered bonds. The registered bonds will be transferable to book-entry bonds, or cash. The Fed will guarantee to buy all the free money bonds
    for sure, and if the Fed wants to sell bonds, it will sell other bonds.

    As to the forbearance, you know, if the tenant can't pay the property owner, because they don't have revenues due to COVID; a movie theater, a department store, are not going to be rented out to another tenant, who are not going to earn
    revenues either. A restaurant or nightclub, and the property owner won't be able
    to rent and pay their mortgage to the bank. The bank could be left holding possibly worthless property anyway, or just land. Also, other companies, such as
    airlines, you know, the idea was, an economic pause, COVID might be eradicated or
    vaccinated against, and then those airlines could start right back up, and not
    have to build the company from scratch, and other such companies with debt payments can go bankrupt, and fold, escalating, like dominoes, more unemployment,
    less revenues. Plus, just general unemployment, people could have a stay on their
    mortgages, and on their rent or else renters be not able to pay rent at all, or
    spend down their savings, and then not be able to pay rent, while passive incomes
    are earned by landlords and equity owners who don't do anything, as rental payments and interest on debt, and the banks earn revenues and may pay dividends.
    But I guess if we go with this $2,500 plan, then there is $1,250 to pay rent; and
    you should get out of that rent as soon as possible, and buy $200,000, and the
    rental properties will be converted into for sale housing or hotels. And you can
    get a job and earn more, and buy a nicer home.


    So the forbearance would go for 4 years, then we decide there will be no vaccine
    (nor eradication), and COVID is forever. Really 3.5 years is what that is, but 4
    years covers it. Those businesses could just bounce back. Otherwise, the bank cam be left holding worthless properties, and you're saying we should just raze the movie theater today, and use the land for something else?

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  • From Intelligent Party@21:1/5 to Intelligent Party on Wed Jul 15 10:29:08 2020
    XPost: alt.politics.congress, alt.politics.usa.constitution, alt.politics.obama XPost: alt.politics.libertarian, alt.activism.d

    On 7/14/2020 10:06 PM, Intelligent Party wrote:
    On 7/13/2020 11:58 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
    50% Increase in New Cases, every 10 days.

    My unscientific, ad hoc (educated) guesstimation...


    The 150,000 could come much faster. This is up up and away.

    We know stay-at-home works.

    2,000 new cases per day in California before stay-at-home abandoned before 5/30.
    8,000 new cases per day in California now, in 6 weeks.

    We cannot continue stay-at-home without government money.

    Moving around = social distancing.

    It's sitting in one place, especially indoors, that gets someone infected with
    COVID.

    Work, commercial parties, restaurants, barber shops, nail salons, public
    transportation.

    Unless you "catch cold." Even at the gym, you MOVE AROUND while in it, compared
    to sitting at one place in a restaurant, at work, or at a party, breathing the
    virus in and out, in and out, in and out, in and out.

    Employee protections matter. You can't employee people to commit self-harm. >> Commerce is exploitation, but instead of prohibition, we proceed as follows. >>
    We deserve a forbearance on all old rent and debt, and $1,250 per month for every
    man woman and child. Or else we have to go socialist, figuring there will never
    be a vaccine, nor an eradication of COVID, and have no forbearance, and default on
    the properties now, and have $2,500 per month for every man woman and child, you
    can finance $200,000 in home equity, with 100% LTV, and no work documentation
    required for such loans, $1,250 per month. Eradication would require 3-4 months
    of no new cases per day. There has been no vaccine for HIV in 40 years, yet they
    have vaccines for the new flu frequently, how does the flu compare to coronavirus,
    study that.
    If there is never any vaccine nor eradication, we are loosing time waiting for
    either, and how long should we wait before going in a new direction? 1.5 years?
    That is 1.5 years lost. Should we not move in a new direction immediately? So
    $2,500 per month for every man, woman, and child. All employee protections are
    based on extreme discouragements, and advisements, NO GESTAPO LAWS, but work from
    home if you can. Make your own decisions. Coronavirus is never going away. ALL
    EMPLOYEE ADVISEMENTS. ALL CONSUMER ADVISEMENTS, likewise. Advertising, Marketing,
    Product Labeling, Advisement.

    Consumer protections matter.

    The minimum wage will be $2,500 per month after taxes additionally, and after you
    make a certain amount $60,000-$200,000+, you pay the $30,000 free money back. More
    than a flat tax, a flat amount. Also at a certain point we have a 75% Federal
    sales tax, to encourage everyone to hold the capital. 70% wouldn't do that. But
    80% would make them maybe not care enough about their capital. The $2,500 will
    vary across the nation, by the County, and be 65% per capita GDP of the county,
    both for the free money from the government, and for the minimum wage.

    The $1,250 or $2,500 shall be sent in T-Bills or Bonds. If the bonds aren't >> converted cash, there is no effect. So, for people without bank accounts, we will
    have to send registered bonds. The registered bonds will be transferable to >> book-entry bonds, or cash. The Fed will guarantee to buy all the free money bonds
    for sure, and if the Fed wants to sell bonds, it will sell other bonds.

    As to the forbearance, you know, if the tenant can't pay the property owner, >> because they don't have revenues due to COVID; a movie theater, a department >> store, are not going to be rented out to another tenant, who are not going to earn
    revenues either. A restaurant or nightclub, and the property owner won't be able
    to rent and pay their mortgage to the bank. The bank could be left holding >> possibly worthless property anyway, or just land. Also, other companies, such as
    airlines, you know, the idea was, an economic pause, COVID might be eradicated or
    vaccinated against, and then those airlines could start right back up, and not
    have to build the company from scratch, and other such companies with debt >> payments can go bankrupt, and fold, escalating, like dominoes, more unemployment,
    less revenues. Plus, just general unemployment, people could have a stay on their
    mortgages, and on their rent or else renters be not able to pay rent at all, or
    spend down their savings, and then not be able to pay rent, while passive incomes
    are earned by landlords and equity owners who don't do anything, as rental >> payments and interest on debt, and the banks earn revenues and may pay dividends.
    But I guess if we go with this $2,500 plan, then there is $1,250 to pay rent; and
    you should get out of that rent as soon as possible, and buy $200,000, and the
    rental properties will be converted into for sale housing or hotels. And you can
    get a job and earn more, and buy a nicer home.


    So the forbearance would go for 4 years, then we decide there will be no vaccine
    (nor eradication), and COVID is forever. Really 3.5 years is what that is, but 4
    years covers it. Those businesses could just bounce back. Otherwise, the bank
    cam be left holding worthless properties, and you're saying we should just raze
    the movie theater today, and use the land for something else?


    So we loose 4 years if we do this.

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