XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.food.vegan

On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:30:24 +0100, Steve Wilson <stevewilson109@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 29/03/2018 08:06, Rudy Canoza wrote:

On 3/28/2018 11:45 PM, Rupert wrote:

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 8:35:29 AM UTC+2, Rudy Canoza wrote:

On 3/28/2018 10:42 PM, Rupert wrote:

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 7:25:37 AM UTC+2, Dutch wrote:

On 3/28/2018 10:09 PM, Rupert wrote:

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 7:05:36 AM UTC+2, Dutch wrote:

On 3/28/2018 9:28 PM, Rupert wrote:

My own experiences, the experiences of many of my friends, the >>>>>>>>> advice I received from two different doctors, and the official >>>>>>>>> position of the American Dietetic Association, don't bear this out. >>>>>>>>>

Of course, it is established beyond dispute that "veganism" is ethically >>>> bankrupt.

But on the other hand,

No.  There is no "other hand".  "veganism" as any kind of ethical
response to a perceived ethical problem is bankrupt.

Would you care to explain how veganism, as an ethical response, is
bankrupt?

Steve Wilson

· Veg/ns contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:

tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water
filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,
insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,
heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,
gelatin capsules, adhesive tape, laminated wood products,
plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane
wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings

The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than (how many Ru? Goo?
"Dutch"? "Derek"? anybody else???) servings derived from
grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·

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XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.food.vegan

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:45:47 -0700, Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:

How's everybody doing?

I've mentioned here before that I quit being a vegetarian after 20 years
due to my wife and I feeling that we were not thriving.

· Veg/ns contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:

tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water
filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,
insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,
heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,
gelatin capsules, adhesive tape, laminated wood products,
plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane
wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings

The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than (how many Ru? Goo?
"Dutch"? "Derek"? anybody else???) servings derived from
grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·

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