https://www.france24.com/en/business/20240124-france-farming-crisis-in-numbers
The protests sweeping across France have cast a renewed focus
on the plight of farmers, a shrinking and ageing category at
the mercy of volatile prices and grappling with a bleak
economic outlook. FRANCE 24 talks to an economist and a
unionist about the key figures behind France’s farming crisis.
. . .
There's an old American saying - "Don't cuss a farmer
with your mouth full".
OK France - where DO you get your next meal without
French farmers ? At what PRICE ? What VULNERABILITY ?
Wokie/Green SOUNDS so great - but it has serious
Real Life implications. Very serious ... like
"My children have no food !" serious.
Wokie/Green is mostly an IDEOLOGY, a political POV.
It's meant to SOUND GREAT - lure you in - but when
you think it though, what Real Stuff happens ?
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, 68g.1499 wrote:
https://www.france24.com/en/business/20240124-france-farming-crisis-in-numbers
The protests sweeping across France have cast a renewed focus
on the plight of farmers, a shrinking and ageing category at
the mercy of volatile prices and grappling with a bleak
economic outlook. FRANCE 24 talks to an economist and a
unionist about the key figures behind France’s farming crisis.
. . .
There's an old American saying - "Don't cuss a farmer
with your mouth full".
OK France - where DO you get your next meal without
French farmers ? At what PRICE ? What VULNERABILITY ?
Wokie/Green SOUNDS so great - but it has serious
Real Life implications. Very serious ... like
"My children have no food !" serious.
Wokie/Green is mostly an IDEOLOGY, a political POV.
It's meant to SOUND GREAT - lure you in - but when
you think it though, what Real Stuff happens ?
Wise words! But hopefully the world will wake up. The problem with
wokeism is that it destroys things too slowly compared with radical socialism, so people don't wake up until a lot of damage has been done.
With radical socialism it just takes a few years to destroy a country,
so people notice it much quicker.
On 1/25/24 5:17 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, 68g.1499 wrote:
https://www.france24.com/en/business/20240124-france-farming-crisis-in-numbers
The protests sweeping across France have cast a renewed focus
on the plight of farmers, a shrinking and ageing category at
the mercy of volatile prices and grappling with a bleak
economic outlook. FRANCE 24 talks to an economist and a
unionist about the key figures behind France’s farming crisis.
. . .
There's an old American saying - "Don't cuss a farmer
with your mouth full".
OK France - where DO you get your next meal without
French farmers ? At what PRICE ? What VULNERABILITY ?
Wokie/Green SOUNDS so great - but it has serious
Real Life implications. Very serious ... like
"My children have no food !" serious.
Wokie/Green is mostly an IDEOLOGY, a political POV.
It's meant to SOUND GREAT - lure you in - but when
you think it though, what Real Stuff happens ?
Wise words! But hopefully the world will wake up. The problem with wokeism >> is that it destroys things too slowly compared with radical socialism, so >> people don't wake up until a lot of damage has been done.
With radical socialism it just takes a few years to destroy a country, so >> people notice it much quicker.
Ideologists rarely think things through to the devilish
little details. "Green" sounds great, so long as you stick
with the broad picture. Alas, at some point the ideology
sinks down to those little details and the political folks
either don't understand what's going on or imagine they
can warp the laws of physics to force Nature to their model.
Farming is not "fancy", ain't quantum mechanics. While the
equipment and techniques have improved somewhat, basically
it's still jamming seeds into the ground and waiting awhile
in hope something edible results. It requires space, it
requires water, it requires fertilizers, it often requires
some forms of weed/insect control. Then food requires post-
processing and transport and safe storage.
With generations of good, and very BAD, results farmers tend
to "stick with what we know works" - play it safe even if it
may not seem 101% efficient.
Sorry, given modern realities, you are NOT gonna recruit
500 peasants to pick the weeds and bugs out of your fields
on a daily basis and still sell at reasonable prices. The
plants require as much water as they require, you cannot
cut back below a certain threshold. Manure can be fair
fertilizer, but Greenies also want to cut back on meat-
based foods so that means less manure. (oh, how to make
asphalt roads "after oil" ? :-)
Manure can also contain pollutants - lead, mercury, cadmium,
benzene, salts and anything else the animals/people were
exposed to. Those will concentrate in the farming soil over
time until you're farming in a de-facto toxic waste dump.
Using sewage-based manure also raises the chances of
dangerous bacteria/fungi/viruses spreading around.
"Greener WHERE APPLICABLE" is the correct way of thinking,
but it's not 'pure'/radical enough for those who often
work their way into higher positions of power/bureaucracy.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, 68g.1499 wrote:
On 1/25/24 5:17 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, 68g.1499 wrote:
https://www.france24.com/en/business/20240124-france-farming-crisis-in-numbers
The protests sweeping across France have cast a renewed focus
on the plight of farmers, a shrinking and ageing category at
the mercy of volatile prices and grappling with a bleak
economic outlook. FRANCE 24 talks to an economist and a
unionist about the key figures behind France’s farming crisis.
. . .
There's an old American saying - "Don't cuss a farmer
with your mouth full".
OK France - where DO you get your next meal without
French farmers ? At what PRICE ? What VULNERABILITY ?
Wokie/Green SOUNDS so great - but it has serious
Real Life implications. Very serious ... like
"My children have no food !" serious.
Wokie/Green is mostly an IDEOLOGY, a political POV.
It's meant to SOUND GREAT - lure you in - but when
you think it though, what Real Stuff happens ?
Wise words! But hopefully the world will wake up. The problem with
wokeism is that it destroys things too slowly compared with radical
socialism, so people don't wake up until a lot of damage has been done.
With radical socialism it just takes a few years to destroy a
country, so people notice it much quicker.
Ideologists rarely think things through to the devilish
little details. "Green" sounds great, so long as you stick
with the broad picture. Alas, at some point the ideology
sinks down to those little details and the political folks
either don't understand what's going on or imagine they
can warp the laws of physics to force Nature to their model.
Farming is not "fancy", ain't quantum mechanics. While the
equipment and techniques have improved somewhat, basically
it's still jamming seeds into the ground and waiting awhile
in hope something edible results. It requires space, it
requires water, it requires fertilizers, it often requires
some forms of weed/insect control. Then food requires post-
processing and transport and safe storage.
With generations of good, and very BAD, results farmers tend
to "stick with what we know works" - play it safe even if it
may not seem 101% efficient.
Sorry, given modern realities, you are NOT gonna recruit
500 peasants to pick the weeds and bugs out of your fields
on a daily basis and still sell at reasonable prices. The
plants require as much water as they require, you cannot
cut back below a certain threshold. Manure can be fair
fertilizer, but Greenies also want to cut back on meat-
based foods so that means less manure. (oh, how to make
asphalt roads "after oil" ? :-)
Manure can also contain pollutants - lead, mercury, cadmium,
benzene, salts and anything else the animals/people were
exposed to. Those will concentrate in the farming soil over
time until you're farming in a de-facto toxic waste dump.
Using sewage-based manure also raises the chances of
dangerous bacteria/fungi/viruses spreading around.
"Greener WHERE APPLICABLE" is the correct way of thinking,
but it's not 'pure'/radical enough for those who often
work their way into higher positions of power/bureaucracy.
I'd like to add that there also are examples of green win/win situations where both climate hysterics and "deniers" should be able to agree that
the solution is both greener, cheaper and more efficient. I mean what's
not to like?
But for some strange reason the climate hysterics seem to be very anti-science sometimes, and their only solution seem to be sacrifice and going back to medieval times.
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